Nora, How do you have diplomacy if Russia will not come to the table seriously? Who is Putin? As a former KGB and Stasi member in East Germany he played both sides against each other from what I have read about him in German. Is this someone that one can negotiate with? What treaty has he stuck to? None as far as I can see. So, how do yo…
Nora, How do you have diplomacy if Russia will not come to the table seriously? Who is Putin? As a former KGB and Stasi member in East Germany he played both sides against each other from what I have read about him in German. Is this someone that one can negotiate with? What treaty has he stuck to? None as far as I can see. So, how do you negotiate without getting a treaty? How are you envisioning this working?
Good point, Linda. Perhaps Nora does not know that, in her 1991 vote for independence, every oblast / province voted to exit the U.S.S.R. and that six of every seven people (at least) in Donbass wanted out of the evil empire. The open question remains Crimea in which a razor-thin majority favoured independence. That one may need to be negotiated.
Russia after the defeat of Russia. The negotiations, were they to occur, would not be designed to settle the current conflict but to avoid future ones.
There was a peace negotiation between Ukraine and Russia shortly after the war started. The US and the UK pressured Zelensky not to consider it. This is pretty well known. Look up Jeffery Sachs, Code Pink, Useful Idiots, Chris Hedges, Professor John Mearsheimer amd more. Nora is not stupid and just does not follow the PR from the Biden Administration.
I know Mearsheimer's position. He works with friends of mine. I respectfully disagree with these people. They blame NATO for this war. However, whether or not NATO provoked Putin, at this point in time what do you believe Putin would just agree to a negotiation when he has not stuck to a single agreement he has made with Ukraine in the past. By this logic you would have Ukraine be like Native Americans have been in the USA, totally absorbed through occupation and no rights to their own cultures, beyond the crumbs thrown to them. I can see why the Ukraine does not want this. All of the countries of the former Soviet Union have been psychically destroyed by Russian occupation. Ukraine has the painful history of the Holodomor. At the House of Cultures of the World in Berlin they had an exhibit of former Soviet Countries, mostly Central Asian, but Ukrainian work was in it too. It was made very clear how much one suffers when cut off from one's language, culture, identity and sense of self. So, at this point in time, how do you propose to get Putin, who has not stuck to a treaties with Ukraine to do so. https://www.robert-schuman.eu/en/european-issues/344-russia-ukraine-and-international-law
Making agreements is pointless if all it does is make a temporary cease fire and give Putin time to regroup. What do you think can be done to 1) stop Putin from making war on Ukraine (and other countries), and 2) to make a lasting end without giving up any of Ukrainian territory. From a school teacher's point of view, rewarding a bully for bullying has never led to them stopping the bullying. They only stop when the rewards are removed. That is the role sanctions are supposed to play, but Putin is cleverly finding ways around them, and as an autocrat he does not have to spend any money on his people, so he puts 40% of their economy into the war. Do you support Trump and his idea to cater to Putin, giving him what he wants and not supporting Ukraine?
Nora, How do you have diplomacy if Russia will not come to the table seriously? Who is Putin? As a former KGB and Stasi member in East Germany he played both sides against each other from what I have read about him in German. Is this someone that one can negotiate with? What treaty has he stuck to? None as far as I can see. So, how do you negotiate without getting a treaty? How are you envisioning this working?
Good point, Linda. Perhaps Nora does not know that, in her 1991 vote for independence, every oblast / province voted to exit the U.S.S.R. and that six of every seven people (at least) in Donbass wanted out of the evil empire. The open question remains Crimea in which a razor-thin majority favoured independence. That one may need to be negotiated.
Ned, with whom would they be negotiating?
Russia after the defeat of Russia. The negotiations, were they to occur, would not be designed to settle the current conflict but to avoid future ones.
There was a peace negotiation between Ukraine and Russia shortly after the war started. The US and the UK pressured Zelensky not to consider it. This is pretty well known. Look up Jeffery Sachs, Code Pink, Useful Idiots, Chris Hedges, Professor John Mearsheimer amd more. Nora is not stupid and just does not follow the PR from the Biden Administration.
I know Mearsheimer's position. He works with friends of mine. I respectfully disagree with these people. They blame NATO for this war. However, whether or not NATO provoked Putin, at this point in time what do you believe Putin would just agree to a negotiation when he has not stuck to a single agreement he has made with Ukraine in the past. By this logic you would have Ukraine be like Native Americans have been in the USA, totally absorbed through occupation and no rights to their own cultures, beyond the crumbs thrown to them. I can see why the Ukraine does not want this. All of the countries of the former Soviet Union have been psychically destroyed by Russian occupation. Ukraine has the painful history of the Holodomor. At the House of Cultures of the World in Berlin they had an exhibit of former Soviet Countries, mostly Central Asian, but Ukrainian work was in it too. It was made very clear how much one suffers when cut off from one's language, culture, identity and sense of self. So, at this point in time, how do you propose to get Putin, who has not stuck to a treaties with Ukraine to do so. https://www.robert-schuman.eu/en/european-issues/344-russia-ukraine-and-international-law
Making agreements is pointless if all it does is make a temporary cease fire and give Putin time to regroup. What do you think can be done to 1) stop Putin from making war on Ukraine (and other countries), and 2) to make a lasting end without giving up any of Ukrainian territory. From a school teacher's point of view, rewarding a bully for bullying has never led to them stopping the bullying. They only stop when the rewards are removed. That is the role sanctions are supposed to play, but Putin is cleverly finding ways around them, and as an autocrat he does not have to spend any money on his people, so he puts 40% of their economy into the war. Do you support Trump and his idea to cater to Putin, giving him what he wants and not supporting Ukraine?
Thank you, Nora. You and I trust the judgment of different people.