The right wing loves religious exemptions so perhaps there should be one here.
This is from Rabbi Danny Horwitz.
I once had to counsel a woman to get an abortion.
Years ago, I was the rabbi of a congregation in greater Kansas City. I knew this woman had preexisting health issues and struggled to take care of the children she already had. Wi…
The right wing loves religious exemptions so perhaps there should be one here.
This is from Rabbi Danny Horwitz.
I once had to counsel a woman to get an abortion.
Years ago, I was the rabbi of a congregation in greater Kansas City. I knew this woman had preexisting health issues and struggled to take care of the children she already had. Without sharing any other personal details, it was clear to me another pregnancy was going to push her over the edge.
Judaism teaches that potential life is sacred. Nevertheless, our religion also teaches that potential life is not the same as actual life, that a fetus is not a human being. This is directly derived from Scripture. Therefore, even during labor, the pregnant woman’s life has precedence over the life of the fetus. And if we have reason to believe a pregnancy will be a serious threat to the woman’s well-being, whether that be mentally, physically or otherwise, then she will be counseled to abort the fetus, and to do so in a way that maximally protects her own health.
Many books have been written about this, but these are the rules that guide Jewish law and those of us who seek to fulfill it in the practice of our religion. Each case is unique, but the principles remain the same. We would never celebrate the termination of potential life, but neither would we regard it as automatically forbidden. As my doctoral adviser, Rabbi Byron Sherwin, put it, “Judaism is neither pro-life or pro-choice. It depends on the life and it depends on the choice.”
Thus, when this woman came to me for direction, I told her not that she could have an abortion, but that she must have an abortion, that the God of my understanding would want her to do it.
My action would likely be considered a violation of SB 8, the new Texas law making it illegal to assist someone in pursuing an abortion. Thus, this law is a restriction on the practice of my religion. And it would likewise impose a religious standard upon anyone from any religion who believes abortion is not always the evil our state officials believe it to be.
The fallacy, alas, in arguing from the basis of religion is that the fuckers who passed the law don't give a shit about religion: it is just a useful tool with which to attack women, LGBTQ people, and others whose biology or lifestyles they find objectionable.
I fully agree that many of "those fuckers" don't give a shit about religion except as a useful tool. I thought that William Cash was making an interesting point, or perhaps the rabbi's story does, that the constitutionally protected first amendment right to free exercise of religion provides a different leverage point for arguing the unconstitutionality of Texas SB 8 than the Roe v. Wade use of a (stipulated) right to privacy. It doesn't matter if those fuckers don't give a shit about religion - we can still throw that in their face.
I immediately thought of freedom of religion once I started reading William's post, and how that could be, as you say, Bill, a leverage point at least for practicing Jews, if it ever got that far.
It seems more likely to me Linda that everything Republicans do is designed to galvanize their fanatical and extremist base while at the same time crucifying the liberal left. Republicans exploit and manufacture social divisions for the sole purpose of divide and conquer, gain and retain power. Who easier to exploit than religious fanatics, political extremists, and anyone who has harbored resentments and grievances for generations (aka white males.)
Your comment gives me the opportunity to open an entirely different line of thought. I've lived in the deep south for the last half of my life. I moved here for a job and that job was opening to make friends and develop relationships with people who have lived here all their lives and more often than not they are multi-generational southerners.
I learned firsthand that southern women understand and accept that they live in a male-dominated society. Women are essentially treated like possessions (chattel) by men. Is this true in all cases? Of course not, but it represents the thinking of the vast majority of men and women.
The other important observation I've made is that politics in the south is akin to religion. For example, facts and evidence to the contrary (e.g. science) hold no sway over the party faithful. They see and hear what they choose to believe. The south is the bible belt and it is a society that operates solely on faith. People believe in God and Jesus purely out of faith. Politics is a close cousin to religion and they are totally intermeshed.
So Kasumii, it's true women are equal offenders but make no mistake they live in a male dominated society.
I was born and raised in Birmingham, Alabama. Politics in Alabama, and nearby, IS a RELIGION. Donald Trump recognized that and exploited it, saying what he knew Christian fanatics wanted to hear. They knew he was a very bad man and remade him into an Old Testament bad man prophet. When Trump stood before the Capitol holding up a Bible, when he told them God had sent him to them, they herd angels singing. Not the angels they thought they heard. Trump was pro-choice until he ran president and saw a good way to nab a whole lot of votes by telling the Christian right he would pack the U.S. Supreme Court with their ilk. He brought the American Taliban out Egypt and the wilderness to the walls of Jericho. What they were really like became crystal clear on January 6. That white right mob were proxies for the American Taliban. We know this from the red spectrum's refusal to call for the heads of the white mob and their leader. As much as I admired Ruth Bader Ginsberg, she made a grave mistake not retiring and letting President Obama replace her. Please understand, I am not a Democrat. I belong to no political party. I think belonging to a political party, like belonging to a religion, compromises ability to think and see properly. I very much think God exists. In fact, I know God exists, which is very different from believing it. I know the Devil exists, as well. This is very much a spiritual war, and the American right are not nearly as close to God as they think. The left needs to examine their position with God as well. The left pushed the Roe v. Wade envelop far past what that decision encompassed. The right wing backlash was inevitable.
I have to call you on your last few sentences, Sloan. Sounds like your religious convictions are being pressed upon us, too. I'd be interested in reading how RvW was pushed too far.
But way back to the genesis of this idea of women as chattel...someone or something is benefiting by the continuation of this line of thinking...some system is continuing to reap benefits somewhere and to someones. Women are being exploited but to what end? I am skeptical that it is purely ideological. I think there must be a $ benefit being preserved. That's what I am trying to understand. If women really had power, would it diminish returns on investments? Would the economic system become more equitable? Would it hinder the exploitation of labor whereby a small group can reap outsized profit? There must be something at work in the system that is being protected. At this stage in the machine we call the U.S., things may be baked in and not even recognizable. Why else would everyone not recognize the cruelty behind these TX efforts?
A lot of somebodies are making a killing on women - globally, we have the pink tax, which is the up charge women pay for buying health and beauty aid products, clothing, sporting equipment and more geared for women.
In the US higher insurance premiums for all types of insurance - car, home, life, health; the cost of a simple haircut.
Globally, too, penalizing women because they are women is baked into many cultures - various religions believe a woman is unclean when she menstruates and women are penalized in most places for menstruation by paying a tidy sum for tampons, sanitary pads and cups. So just imagine growing up knowing that once a month you are considered unclean, particularly by men. Women, in a passive way to counter the disgust men regarded them with, took to crafting ceremonies to validate and honor the cycles of their bodies. This may seem like a solution but, IMHO, it's actually caving to make domination in a most cringe worthy manner. And women STILL go through the cleansing rituals men devised fir them centuries ago.
And what about pharmaceutical drug trials? Stroke and cardiac intervention and care for women? Or how women were locked in attic rooms or were institutionalized as hysterics and had ungodly treatments performed on them to "cure" them.
Then there are head coverings and "modest clothing" it's not just Muslim women, but Orthodox Jews and Conservative Christian Sects, Mennonite, Amish, Fundamentalist Mormons.
Then we get to rape and various forms of violence against women where, even today, women choose to not file a complaint against her rapist or abuser because the anguish she will go through because our system is unfairly tilted against her...even when the evidence of rape is incontrovertible, (or you live in a city/county/state where your rape kit ended up on a shelf with thousands of others).
Hiring, wages, benefits, bonuses, promotions. Unequal on all counts.
Car loans, mortgages, credit card interest.
Voting: what of the women who votes the way her husband tells her too? How insecure must one be to walk into a voting booth, draw the curtain and vote the way they were told to vote by their husband?
You ask why EVERYONE doesn't recognize the cruelty behind the efforts in Texas? Because, frankly, most men don't care to address the inequities women deal with on a daily basis. I'm not saying all men but I am saying a significant percentage of men simply don't give a damn. Why rock the boat if it will cause them personal loss or discomfort? Or loss? And truly, when we ask ourselves why the Equal Rights Amendment never passed, we know in our heart of hearts why. Now, go ask a family member, friend or acquaintance with a penis why the ERA never passed. I'm curious what their answers will be.
Usually I'd have citations for this kind of rant. Today I don't because I'm on my cellphone and it's nigh on impossible to flip from one screen to another. I'm sorry.
Actually they just think Trumps base will vote for them in the midterms—we’re just the caste of women— it’s really all about hold on to their mostly white male power at all costs.
Yes, we must not abandon our reason or decide contrary to it, imo. Our reason is part of the natural law and our highest functioning ability. We shouldn't throw it out the window to accommodate religious doctrine which isn't based in science.
Unfortunately, abortion has been made a religious issue when there is no clear biological determination as to when human life begins. So, we must use our God-given reason/reasonableness to make a decision re: abortion. Each woman must do this herself because there are no clear guidelines.
I refer to them as “Convenient Christians “. They kind of pick and choose Who, How, What,When and Where they will ‘ACT ‘ Christian. Notice they dropped the Phrase “ What would JESUS do ?”.
Amen. What would Jesus do? If he were to show up in their midst and carry on like the Gospels say he carried on 2000 years ago, they would string him up.
They believe in a “Second Coming “. You’re right, they won’t know him . No matter what miracle he may choose to prove , w/out an AR-15 they will shout ‘ Imposter !’
Have you ever read Jeff Sharlett's book The Family. The evangelicals he stayed with claimed they spoke to Jesus every day and he made all their decisions for them. If Jesus made the decision, it can't be wrong.
You are right, I don't hear the word Jesus as much but many still claim that they talk to god and god makes their decisions.
I always thought when people talk to an invisible being and hear it talk, they should be in an institution but today they become leaders of a religious sect.
Other than the Catholics I don’t know of any organizations that will support a single woman during pregnancy. Not sure if the rule is to put up for adoption ? Or due to the fact that most, not all companies at least in Fl will fire U if they find out they are PG. No one in FL WILL hire a a woman that is PG. Liability. Married women have no support outside of Medicaid for Dr.Maybe food stamps. But loss of income is just lost.So we see families Homeless with children and a new infant. Did they stop and think perhaps these Mothers maybe have to give up at best the infant if not all their children to the system. No ! Bible in 2021 “ Suffer the little children “. Jesus would say that is wrong ! It’s Pro Birth and literally the buck stops there.Sorry so long.I’m so angry and stressed ever since TFG came down that escalator.And the War on Democracy .
In my experience, if they are Christians, they care a great deal about religion as they perceive and twist it to suit them. They are fanatics, America version of Taliban, and that they do not have God 100-percent on their side never occurs to to them. They are ingrained with the unshakable belief that only people who believe as they believe will die and go to heaven, and everyone else will die and burn in hell forever. They are going to be really surprised when they stand before St. Peter, so so speak, but meanwhile, I can imagine a great many Texas women deeply sympathize with Afghanistan women.
"Judaism is neither pro-life nor pro-choice. It depends on the life and it depends on the choice." That is a marvelous statement, and it really fits for me, a non-Jew. Mind if I borrow it? (I might add, "Oversimplification is a symptom of ignorance.")
If I hadn’t chosen abortion at 19 and 27 I’d have had a really strange life. Luckily I had the right to chooe them and eventually had a wonderful son and great husband. I can’t even imagine how it would be if I were forced to keep the child of a g-d rapist. And that’s the position Abbot and his cronies are forcing poor women into. Boycott Texas.
Everyone should read caste—women have tried refusing sex protesting and there was that really angry one who cut off her husband’s penis—remember her—I think they found it though and sewed it back on. Anyway I will be in the woman caste until I die but now that the book enlightened me I’m actually more accepting of my place. There are much worse castes I could have been born into—or I could be a beautiful young woman in Afghanistan.
William, I think every pro-lifer should be required to read your comment every day until they agree with your or stand before St. Peter, where he reads your comment to them.
The right wing loves religious exemptions so perhaps there should be one here.
This is from Rabbi Danny Horwitz.
I once had to counsel a woman to get an abortion.
Years ago, I was the rabbi of a congregation in greater Kansas City. I knew this woman had preexisting health issues and struggled to take care of the children she already had. Without sharing any other personal details, it was clear to me another pregnancy was going to push her over the edge.
Judaism teaches that potential life is sacred. Nevertheless, our religion also teaches that potential life is not the same as actual life, that a fetus is not a human being. This is directly derived from Scripture. Therefore, even during labor, the pregnant woman’s life has precedence over the life of the fetus. And if we have reason to believe a pregnancy will be a serious threat to the woman’s well-being, whether that be mentally, physically or otherwise, then she will be counseled to abort the fetus, and to do so in a way that maximally protects her own health.
Many books have been written about this, but these are the rules that guide Jewish law and those of us who seek to fulfill it in the practice of our religion. Each case is unique, but the principles remain the same. We would never celebrate the termination of potential life, but neither would we regard it as automatically forbidden. As my doctoral adviser, Rabbi Byron Sherwin, put it, “Judaism is neither pro-life or pro-choice. It depends on the life and it depends on the choice.”
Thus, when this woman came to me for direction, I told her not that she could have an abortion, but that she must have an abortion, that the God of my understanding would want her to do it.
My action would likely be considered a violation of SB 8, the new Texas law making it illegal to assist someone in pursuing an abortion. Thus, this law is a restriction on the practice of my religion. And it would likewise impose a religious standard upon anyone from any religion who believes abortion is not always the evil our state officials believe it to be.
This law cannot stand forever.
The fallacy, alas, in arguing from the basis of religion is that the fuckers who passed the law don't give a shit about religion: it is just a useful tool with which to attack women, LGBTQ people, and others whose biology or lifestyles they find objectionable.
I fully agree that many of "those fuckers" don't give a shit about religion except as a useful tool. I thought that William Cash was making an interesting point, or perhaps the rabbi's story does, that the constitutionally protected first amendment right to free exercise of religion provides a different leverage point for arguing the unconstitutionality of Texas SB 8 than the Roe v. Wade use of a (stipulated) right to privacy. It doesn't matter if those fuckers don't give a shit about religion - we can still throw that in their face.
I immediately thought of freedom of religion once I started reading William's post, and how that could be, as you say, Bill, a leverage point at least for practicing Jews, if it ever got that far.
But how does all this figure into those you have the right “Freedom from Religion “?
It seems more likely to me Linda that everything Republicans do is designed to galvanize their fanatical and extremist base while at the same time crucifying the liberal left. Republicans exploit and manufacture social divisions for the sole purpose of divide and conquer, gain and retain power. Who easier to exploit than religious fanatics, political extremists, and anyone who has harbored resentments and grievances for generations (aka white males.)
Your point is spot-on but unfortunately, it is not only white males who respond (dive in head first) to the exploitation.
Your comment gives me the opportunity to open an entirely different line of thought. I've lived in the deep south for the last half of my life. I moved here for a job and that job was opening to make friends and develop relationships with people who have lived here all their lives and more often than not they are multi-generational southerners.
I learned firsthand that southern women understand and accept that they live in a male-dominated society. Women are essentially treated like possessions (chattel) by men. Is this true in all cases? Of course not, but it represents the thinking of the vast majority of men and women.
The other important observation I've made is that politics in the south is akin to religion. For example, facts and evidence to the contrary (e.g. science) hold no sway over the party faithful. They see and hear what they choose to believe. The south is the bible belt and it is a society that operates solely on faith. People believe in God and Jesus purely out of faith. Politics is a close cousin to religion and they are totally intermeshed.
So Kasumii, it's true women are equal offenders but make no mistake they live in a male dominated society.
Spot on
I was born and raised in Birmingham, Alabama. Politics in Alabama, and nearby, IS a RELIGION. Donald Trump recognized that and exploited it, saying what he knew Christian fanatics wanted to hear. They knew he was a very bad man and remade him into an Old Testament bad man prophet. When Trump stood before the Capitol holding up a Bible, when he told them God had sent him to them, they herd angels singing. Not the angels they thought they heard. Trump was pro-choice until he ran president and saw a good way to nab a whole lot of votes by telling the Christian right he would pack the U.S. Supreme Court with their ilk. He brought the American Taliban out Egypt and the wilderness to the walls of Jericho. What they were really like became crystal clear on January 6. That white right mob were proxies for the American Taliban. We know this from the red spectrum's refusal to call for the heads of the white mob and their leader. As much as I admired Ruth Bader Ginsberg, she made a grave mistake not retiring and letting President Obama replace her. Please understand, I am not a Democrat. I belong to no political party. I think belonging to a political party, like belonging to a religion, compromises ability to think and see properly. I very much think God exists. In fact, I know God exists, which is very different from believing it. I know the Devil exists, as well. This is very much a spiritual war, and the American right are not nearly as close to God as they think. The left needs to examine their position with God as well. The left pushed the Roe v. Wade envelop far past what that decision encompassed. The right wing backlash was inevitable.
I have to call you on your last few sentences, Sloan. Sounds like your religious convictions are being pressed upon us, too. I'd be interested in reading how RvW was pushed too far.
But way back to the genesis of this idea of women as chattel...someone or something is benefiting by the continuation of this line of thinking...some system is continuing to reap benefits somewhere and to someones. Women are being exploited but to what end? I am skeptical that it is purely ideological. I think there must be a $ benefit being preserved. That's what I am trying to understand. If women really had power, would it diminish returns on investments? Would the economic system become more equitable? Would it hinder the exploitation of labor whereby a small group can reap outsized profit? There must be something at work in the system that is being protected. At this stage in the machine we call the U.S., things may be baked in and not even recognizable. Why else would everyone not recognize the cruelty behind these TX efforts?
A lot of somebodies are making a killing on women - globally, we have the pink tax, which is the up charge women pay for buying health and beauty aid products, clothing, sporting equipment and more geared for women.
In the US higher insurance premiums for all types of insurance - car, home, life, health; the cost of a simple haircut.
Globally, too, penalizing women because they are women is baked into many cultures - various religions believe a woman is unclean when she menstruates and women are penalized in most places for menstruation by paying a tidy sum for tampons, sanitary pads and cups. So just imagine growing up knowing that once a month you are considered unclean, particularly by men. Women, in a passive way to counter the disgust men regarded them with, took to crafting ceremonies to validate and honor the cycles of their bodies. This may seem like a solution but, IMHO, it's actually caving to make domination in a most cringe worthy manner. And women STILL go through the cleansing rituals men devised fir them centuries ago.
And what about pharmaceutical drug trials? Stroke and cardiac intervention and care for women? Or how women were locked in attic rooms or were institutionalized as hysterics and had ungodly treatments performed on them to "cure" them.
Then there are head coverings and "modest clothing" it's not just Muslim women, but Orthodox Jews and Conservative Christian Sects, Mennonite, Amish, Fundamentalist Mormons.
Then we get to rape and various forms of violence against women where, even today, women choose to not file a complaint against her rapist or abuser because the anguish she will go through because our system is unfairly tilted against her...even when the evidence of rape is incontrovertible, (or you live in a city/county/state where your rape kit ended up on a shelf with thousands of others).
Hiring, wages, benefits, bonuses, promotions. Unequal on all counts.
Car loans, mortgages, credit card interest.
Voting: what of the women who votes the way her husband tells her too? How insecure must one be to walk into a voting booth, draw the curtain and vote the way they were told to vote by their husband?
You ask why EVERYONE doesn't recognize the cruelty behind the efforts in Texas? Because, frankly, most men don't care to address the inequities women deal with on a daily basis. I'm not saying all men but I am saying a significant percentage of men simply don't give a damn. Why rock the boat if it will cause them personal loss or discomfort? Or loss? And truly, when we ask ourselves why the Equal Rights Amendment never passed, we know in our heart of hearts why. Now, go ask a family member, friend or acquaintance with a penis why the ERA never passed. I'm curious what their answers will be.
Usually I'd have citations for this kind of rant. Today I don't because I'm on my cellphone and it's nigh on impossible to flip from one screen to another. I'm sorry.
Hi Don. Thanks for your comment. I do agree with you. I lived in the Deep South for 12 years and came to the same conclusions, generally speaking.
Someone who gets it...
...and, I might add, it's uglier than that.
Safety first is the rule in these circumstances.
Religious fanatics don't give a tinker's damn about what other people think and believe. Ask any Afghan woman.
Actually they just think Trumps base will vote for them in the midterms—we’re just the caste of women— it’s really all about hold on to their mostly white male power at all costs.
I'm not a Democrat, nor a Republican, nor any Party, and I hate to think about the Republicans (Taliban) regaining control of the U.S. Congress.
I’m just a progressive independent
And to keep us off message. We need to be aware
Yes, I was initially hopeful for the "Jewish exemption" from this abortion legislation.
But quickly remembered what "Jewish Exemption" means to these people...
...extermination
Unfortunately, this ^. I can't imagine logic derived from Judaic law will change many minds in the Christian fanatic set.
True, because they are unreasonable. This Jewish law is so reasonable but reason seems to be no part of this issue.
OK. So we maintain reason even in darkness. That is our strength,
Yes, we must not abandon our reason or decide contrary to it, imo. Our reason is part of the natural law and our highest functioning ability. We shouldn't throw it out the window to accommodate religious doctrine which isn't based in science.
Unfortunately, abortion has been made a religious issue when there is no clear biological determination as to when human life begins. So, we must use our God-given reason/reasonableness to make a decision re: abortion. Each woman must do this herself because there are no clear guidelines.
Well, fundamentalist X-tians are taught that Jews are the chosen, so you have that plus.
No theyb will oppose it. They will say we've undermined true religion. That's OK with me because I hate them passionately, so we're now even.
I refer to them as “Convenient Christians “. They kind of pick and choose Who, How, What,When and Where they will ‘ACT ‘ Christian. Notice they dropped the Phrase “ What would JESUS do ?”.
Amen. What would Jesus do? If he were to show up in their midst and carry on like the Gospels say he carried on 2000 years ago, they would string him up.
Not if he looked white
They believe in a “Second Coming “. You’re right, they won’t know him . No matter what miracle he may choose to prove , w/out an AR-15 they will shout ‘ Imposter !’
Have you ever read Jeff Sharlett's book The Family. The evangelicals he stayed with claimed they spoke to Jesus every day and he made all their decisions for them. If Jesus made the decision, it can't be wrong.
You are right, I don't hear the word Jesus as much but many still claim that they talk to god and god makes their decisions.
I always thought when people talk to an invisible being and hear it talk, they should be in an institution but today they become leaders of a religious sect.
We are not dealing with rational people.
It exempt’s them from Personal Responsibility.Dealt with it first hand. I did not read that book but remember what you’re talking about.
Yes, haven't heard that one for several years now.
Other than the Catholics I don’t know of any organizations that will support a single woman during pregnancy. Not sure if the rule is to put up for adoption ? Or due to the fact that most, not all companies at least in Fl will fire U if they find out they are PG. No one in FL WILL hire a a woman that is PG. Liability. Married women have no support outside of Medicaid for Dr.Maybe food stamps. But loss of income is just lost.So we see families Homeless with children and a new infant. Did they stop and think perhaps these Mothers maybe have to give up at best the infant if not all their children to the system. No ! Bible in 2021 “ Suffer the little children “. Jesus would say that is wrong ! It’s Pro Birth and literally the buck stops there.Sorry so long.I’m so angry and stressed ever since TFG came down that escalator.And the War on Democracy .
In my experience, if they are Christians, they care a great deal about religion as they perceive and twist it to suit them. They are fanatics, America version of Taliban, and that they do not have God 100-percent on their side never occurs to to them. They are ingrained with the unshakable belief that only people who believe as they believe will die and go to heaven, and everyone else will die and burn in hell forever. They are going to be really surprised when they stand before St. Peter, so so speak, but meanwhile, I can imagine a great many Texas women deeply sympathize with Afghanistan women.
Yeah—and women generally have greater empathic powers
"Judaism is neither pro-life nor pro-choice. It depends on the life and it depends on the choice." That is a marvelous statement, and it really fits for me, a non-Jew. Mind if I borrow it? (I might add, "Oversimplification is a symptom of ignorance.")
If I hadn’t chosen abortion at 19 and 27 I’d have had a really strange life. Luckily I had the right to chooe them and eventually had a wonderful son and great husband. I can’t even imagine how it would be if I were forced to keep the child of a g-d rapist. And that’s the position Abbot and his cronies are forcing poor women into. Boycott Texas.
Yes, and all women -- refuse sex until the men stand up and say Enough!
Everyone should read caste—women have tried refusing sex protesting and there was that really angry one who cut off her husband’s penis—remember her—I think they found it though and sewed it back on. Anyway I will be in the woman caste until I die but now that the book enlightened me I’m actually more accepting of my place. There are much worse castes I could have been born into—or I could be a beautiful young woman in Afghanistan.
Boycotting Texas reminds me of the movie, Thelma & Louise. Texas reminds me of Afghanistan.
Hey Sloan thanks for reminding me of that movie—you don’t remind me of anyone I know but I picture you like a rabbi of Alabama
Rabbi Horowitz's second paragraph is important.
Excellent explanation! Thank you!
Thank you, William, for this post. Very compelling.
William, I think every pro-lifer should be required to read your comment every day until they agree with your or stand before St. Peter, where he reads your comment to them.
God bless.
I appreciate you explaining this Jewish interpretation— I have a Jewish brother-in-law and had no clue