While reading this, I can't help but think of all the time, effort and funds being spent to both to perpetuate and stop the 'Big Lie' while our world crumbles down around us due to climate change and the people dying due to the inability to work together in an effort to control this epidemic. There are certainly some in power intent on destruction.
While reading this, I can't help but think of all the time, effort and funds being spent to both to perpetuate and stop the 'Big Lie' while our world crumbles down around us due to climate change and the people dying due to the inability to work together in an effort to control this epidemic. There are certainly some in power intent on destruction.
This is why I call the R party, the party of death....death of individuals from the virus which are now preventable, death of our democracy, and death of the planet.
I was put in FB's jail several times for writing about Zelenko and hydroxychloroquine and zinc. In my opinion the Left and its media and Fauci and Big Pharma caused America as much harm as Trump, the January 6 mob, the MAGAs and the Republicans.
Subscribers, LFAA does have software, which would block disinformation. The following represents information from a highly reputable sources of medical science:
'Recently, several physicians hosted a press conference in which one physician claimed that the combination of hydroxychloroquine, the antibiotic azithromycin and the mineral zinc could cure COVID-19. The video footage of that press conference went viral on social media, and soon many social media platforms removed the videos for providing inaccurate, non-scientifically backed claims. But questions from the public may still remain.
According to Johns Hopkins experts, there are no significant clinical trials to date showing that these drugs are an effective treatment against COVID-19. At least three controlled, large trials showed either no advantage or higher risk of cardiovascular complications in patients receiving the drug.
“Patients infected with COVID-19 often have compromised heart and vascular systems, and receive other drugs that can interact with hydroxychloroquine and can put patients at increased risk of arrhythmias or irregular heartbeats,” says cardiologist Oscar Cingolani, M.D., associate professor of medicine at the Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine. “These cardiovascular side effects in some COVID patients aren’t often seen in patients receiving the drug for other purposes like autoimmune disorders, so therefore the safety observed in these other patients can’t be inferred for COVID-19 patients.”
To date, Johns Hopkins physicians endorse the latest Centers for Disease Control and Prevention recommendations on not using these drugs for treatment of COVID-19.' (Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine, Newsroom)
Q: Are chloroquine phosphate or hydroxychloroquine sulfate approved by the FDA to treat COVID-19?
A: No. Hydroxychloroquine sulfate and some versions of chloroquine phosphate are FDA-approved to treat malaria. Hydroxychloroquine sulfate is also FDA-approved to treat lupus and rheumatoid arthritis.
On March 28, 2020, the FDA issued an emergency use authorization (EUA) for chloroquine phosphate and hydroxychloroquine sulfate to treat adults and adolescents hospitalized with COVID-19 for whom a clinical trial was not available or participation was not feasible. Based on FDA’s continued review of the scientific evidence available, the criteria for an EUA for chloroquine phosphate and hydroxychloroquine sulfate as outlined in Section 564(c)(2) of the FD&C Act are no longer met. As a result, the EUA for these two drugs was revoked on June 15, 2020. Read more about this action. (FDA)
My husband's name, given by the soldiers in his company, was 'Indy'. He died in 2018. When I see your name, Terry, '(Indy)', there is often a tear and a smile on my face. You know, I not thinking of Indiana.
He's talking about treating at risk patients this way, older people and younger people with serious medical problems. He did not treat low risk covid patients with hydroxychloroquine and zinc.
I don't think those patients were treated nearly as quickly as Dr. Zelenko treated his patients. His explanation in the YouTube I furnished early of treatment before Covid-19 sets in around day 6 is ... devastating, if treatment is delayed
Here is a link to a recent YouTube interview of Dr. Zelenko, I'm about 20 minutes into it, he's describing how this began for him and how he responded and why, and now he and Trump and Mark Meadows got involved, and now he's talking about why there was so intense blow back which at first made no sense to him. I've heard all of this in other YouTube interviews of him. If this man is a liar, then he's a darn good one. But I leave for you to watch the YouTube, or not.
Was wrong about length of presentation, it's over 100 minutes. He's covering the basis, including his own nearly dying from medical troubles, and now he's explaining the hydroxychloroquine and zinc dynamic. All I have heard from him before.
Here's the text of an email from a friend who has a friend working in CDC:
Dear Sloan: I know a young woman who is a MD. She chose to work for the CDC and became an epidemiologist. Her comment on COVID is that the best thing anyone can do is to continue with a prophylactic regime as recommended by Dr. Zelenko. There are multiple subtypes of COVID, alpha and delta and gamma variants are the most commonly occurring. Because they have different RNA sequences, they also have no guarantee that the vaccines people have taken will protect them. Commingling of these subtypes of COVID could result in a superbug version of COVID- such a consequence could prove disastrous. In addition, her comment on vaccine side effects is that we do not have enough data on people properly and completely vaccinated. Look at the population 18+ and the number who reported receiving the vaccine. We simply don't have a complete enough picture to determine the whether the vaccine is responsible for the problems reported. At the same time, we cannot dismiss the allegations of severe complications due to taking the vaccine- that would be terribly irresponsible. We do need to examine the cofactors that could possibly cause vaccine complications.
Here's a link to my blog post that contains a photo of Dr. Zelenko and his March 23, 2020 letter to All World Health Professionals, cc President Donald J. Trump and Mark Meadow, Chief of Staff. This is the lies and quackery I am spreading. If the New York Medical Board thought it was lies and quackery, they would have been all over Dr. Zelenko.
Your opinion has no basis in reality. Or, rather, it's based on your ideologically-driven alternate reality, in which the real world has no place.
Ultimately, one's views are either based on reality and routinely tested against it. Or they are based on what one wants or needs to believe and never tested against reality. Indeed, reality is something to be ignored or, at best, selectively edited to conform to ideology. It's called confirmation bias.
My experience is that there is no way past this bias.
Elaine Hewitt, our drop-in Rusky troll. How I’ve missed you.
You still haven’t said whether you’re related to that formerly reliable conservative radio talk-show host, now flaming Orange Menace apologist Hugh Hewitt. (Who’s sadly swallowed the red pill.)
And while FB puts those who post misinformation in jail. Our governor makes one our new surgeon general. This is his approach as reported in Tampa Bay Times yesterday:
“Here is my prescription for local and state leaders: Keep shutdowns short, keep the economy going, keep schools in session, keep jobs intact, and focus single-mindedly on building the capacity we need to survive this into our health care system,” Ladapo wrote. He opposes mask and vaccine mandates while advocating unproven treatments.
In other words, let Covid rip through the population and just build more hospital capacity.
While we’re at it, might as well stop wearing seatbelts, remove speed limits and stop signs, make smoking in public places legal, sell guns to anyone who wants one. Just build more hospitals.
I beg to differ. I've had multiple accounts deleted for "dealing in guns, drugs, or other contraban on the Facebook platform". All from pushing back on trump-sheep. Never sold a thing on Facebook in my life.
My blog has very little traffic. Older blogs had much more traffic. A friend told me about Heather's letters and suggested I should check that out, so I did, and I found someone writing her guts, heart and soul out, putting herself in the crosshairs of legions of loonies mostly in the red spectrum. I really admired and respected that. I admired and respected that Heather's allowed her readers to comment freely. I once read the very mostly white right wing Patriot Post. The readers there really didn't like me, then I asked how many of them were not white people? Oh, that didn't go over well. There were lots of right wing comments, some really strung out. I was the only commenter who was not right wing. I quit participating, because what I viewed as patriotism was nothing like their view. And, because I wondered if they might retaliate against me through people I cared about. Later, the owner of that platform disallowed reader comments. I emailed him that he wasn't much on free speech. He did not reply.
Heh, I think Donald Trump is a grotesque, despicable human being, who, along with his white supremacist mob that assaulted, breached and invaded the Capitol on January 6, should have been shot dead months ago. I started banging Trump on my blog and on Facebook in 2015, and never let up. I have banged him here. He and his fanatical mobs caused me to fear for the physical safety of my children, and that is one reason I reluctantly voted for Joe Biden. The other reason was Biden at least was talking about saving the planet from humanity. I put that on blog and Facebook many times, as well.
I have been called nutty and worse by Trumpers, and conservative Christians, and Republicans, and liberal Christians, and Democrats, and lots more "sects".
Not to put too fine a point on it, but being dismissed as a nut by a wide spectrum of people of vastly differing viewpoints is not, in fact, a point in your favor. It is, in fact, rather the opposite. And labeling everyone who suggests you are a loony as a member of a "sect" doesn't change that.
He deserves all of it for spreading lies about a dangerous pandemic. So do you if you believe that drivel.
How many more people have to die and how badly stressed does our medical system have to become before you people start facing reality instead of pushing your quackery and paranoia?
I'm used to harsh razzing. What I hope still is something will change and hydroxychloroquine and zinc will be freely available without prescription. That would really infuriate Big Pharma and its captured federal agencies.
I take hydroxychloroquine for light eruptions, and you would not believe the hassles I have been experiencing trying to obtain my meds due to shortages and restrictions of dispensing 16 tablets at a time. So forgive me for not taking you seriously on this misinformation.
Big Pharma is not a friend of the people who need certain prescriptions, but that doesn't mean you should push ineffective remedies of the virus. If you've got a gripe against Big Pharma (and many do) attack them for exorbitant prices on drugs. But don't push your pet remedies, for whatever reason.
Unfortunately for America and humanity, Trump was handed a cheap, 5-da early stage Covid-19 infection cure in March 2020, which led to the Hassidic doctor Vladimir Zelenko, who developed it in his very large family practice in a tightknit Hassidic New York community being interviewed by Sean Hannity and Trump promoting the cure on Television. Then, came massive Democrat and its media and Dr. Fauci, CDC, WHO, The Lancet, FDA and Big Pharma, CNN, MSNBC and other mainstream media witch hunts, which killed the cheap fast early stage infection cure that would have saved America and humanity from Red China's bioweapon. Trump could have used the power off his office to make the cure freely available to all people in America, but he caved to the political pressure and went for Operation Warp Speed, which, heh, his much of his own base rejected, as did more Republicans than Democrats and Independents. The cheap 5-day cure, which saved the doctor's patients from even going to hospitals, if they were treated as soon as symptoms appeared, even before testing positive, was hydroxychloroquine, zinc and azithromycin. HCQ transports zine into body cells, where zinc inhibits C-19 replication. Azithromycin dealt with any secondary infection. No big money to made in that by Big Pharma.
The last thing that anyone here wants are insane people like you pushing this abject stupidity.
Fauci was struggling to work in the middle of Trump's smoke & mirrors bullshit as Americans paid the price with their lives, and idiots- like you- assisted in disseminating this propagandist manure.
Enough. Seek help. Get medicated. Dry up and blow away.
This sort of thing really makes it difficult for people (like myself) who have to help guide less than astute people safely through things like this. And I mainly have to deal with my own family members. What Trump and his cult have done is not only tragic, but criminal, in my personal opinion.
I wonder if those career legal professionals saw themselves in my 3rd book, KILL ALL THE LAWYERS? A CLIENTS GUIDE TO HIRING, FIRING, USING AND SUING LAWYERS? Prentice-Hall Division of Simon & Shuster?
(sigh) While I can see why your approach has generated so much outright rejection, I mislike simply calling names and yelling, "Go Home!" Nevertheless, you should not, Mr. Bashinsky, be making so many outre and complicated assertions without some citation to authority. You seem to be simply listing a bunch of baseless claims, then hoping the people on this forum will to the work of fact-checking you.
No dice, sir. You wanna make claims that a 5-day regimen of oral medications can kill a virus attack in delicately vascularized deep lung tissue? Go right ahead, but cite your sources. Who is this Dr. Zelenko who has done in his little clinic what 20 years of research into SARS-CoV infections has not been able to do? Has he published his research? Does he have a website? If the combined efforts of the "Democrat and its media and Dr. Fauci, CDC, WHO, The Lancet, FDA and Big Pharma, CNN, MSNBC and other mainstream media witch hunts" were marshalled to suppress news of this "miracle," where did you hear about it?
I'm actually amazed that it seems some or a lot readers here do not know about Dr. Zelenko. Yes, he published his research, and published more, and he did YouTube presentations, and it all was banned on Facebook. I have read online of a number of doctors using same cure for early stage infection getting same results. Note, early stage infection. I have heard of doctors prescribing hydroxychloroquine off label, to bypass the pharmaceutical and medical boards, because they liked using hydroxychloroquine with zinc. I have read many studies slamming hydroxychloroquine for Covid-19, it's dangerous, it doesn't work. None of the studies used zinc with hydroxychloroquine, and without zinc, hydroxychloroquine isn't effective against Covid-19. Hydroxychloroquine its the caddy, zinc is Tiger Woods. Covid-19 does not like zinc. Hydroxychloroquine is so dangerous it has been used for decades to prevent and treat malaria, lupus and rheumatoid arthritis. It is derived from chloroquine, which is derived from quinine, which is derived from the bark of a tree. I told a friend today that some of the people of this blog are as reactionary and hysterical as MAGAs and Evangelicals. Imagine what would have happened if President Trump had made Zelenko's cure freely available in April 2020. Imagine the bioweapon being stopped in its tracks. Imagine Trump being viewed a the guy responsible for that. He would have won the 2020 election in a LANDSLIDE!!! I detest the man. But he would still be president. Too damn bad Trump didn't have big enough balls to ignore the backlash against Zelenko's cure, which Trump himself took to prevent catching Covid-19 after some of his staff tested positive. Some doctor prescribed it for Trump. Later, after Trump caught Covid-19, he did not take the Zelenko cure and got and in really bad shape and was taken to ICU, where he was given Regeneron's new, still not yet approved for general use, very expensive monoclonal antibody treatment, which saved his sorry ass. Trump went for vaccines, which also were far more lucrative for Big Pharma than hydroxychloroquine and zinc. Now the irony, the right is a lot less vaccinated than the left. But from what I've heard on grapevines, the right and its doctors are more inclined to prescribe Zelenko's cure off label, and ivermectin, which Zelenko later came to say was a good early stage treatment. Also quercetin with zinc. Quercetin also transports zinc into body cells, and it does not require prescription. I've been taking quercetin and zinc since May 2020, and D-3, and I have not had even a sniffle. I also have now received 3 Pfizer shots. You folks who think I'm crazy might try doing your own research on Dr. Zelenko and his cure. There is gobs of stuff online. If you go looking for what agrees with you, then, well, isn't that way Republicans, MAGAs, Evangelicals, KKK, Nazis, Fascists, Communists do research?
Google search "Dr. Zelenko" and read everything that comes up, and watch all the videos that come up, which will you a while. I am amazed that it seems you and all but one person in this discussion seem to know nothing about him. Plain and simple, because Trump touted Zelenko's cure (without naming Zelenko), the left's media and the left and medical-industrial complex went haywire. The left, because anything that made Trump look good was anathamea. The medical-industrial complex, because it had humongo;us money-making plans for new cures, vaccines, etc., which Dr. Zelenko's cure made unnecessary. I read article after article, supposedly scientific, slamming hydroxychloroquine as being dangerous (bull shit, it was used extensively for decades to treat and prevent malaria, and to treat lupus and rheumatoid arthritis. I read article after article on studies showing hydroxychloroquine was inneffective against Covid-19. But none of the articles and studies had zinc in the study. Which, Zelenko kept saying was the key ingredient, the bullet, and hydroxychloroquine was the gun that shot the bullet into body cells, where the bullet inhibited coronavirus replication. In his March 23, 2020 letter to All World Health Professionals, copied to Trump and Mark Meadows, Zelenko mentined old research about zinc being effective against coronaviruses. He described his reasoning and how he evolved it and then used it to treat his patients. I see no vehicle for posting that letter here, but I'm happy to provide a copy to anyone who wants to see it; sloanbashinsky@yahoo.com. That letter was read to America by Sean Hannity, who interviewed Zelenko. The left and its media went haywire. Look like mass insanity to me. The right looks like mass insanity to me. Heather paints that beautifully most days. I don't belong to a political party, or to the left or to the right. I am not loyal to either side's cannons, liturgies, catechisms, rituals, mantras. I see both sides spinning and twisting. And I see the truth buried in both sides, but only the truth they wish to claim. One wee example. I was banged here for quoting Gloria Steinem saying the truth will set you free, but first it will piss you off. I was banged for not saying that saying came much earlier in time. And, it was a spin off of Jesus' words in the Godpels, Nobody here gave Steinem credit for saying it, but it's the title of one of her books, which I was obliged to point out a few times, and not a dent seemed to be made in the people who had banged me for quoting Steinem. i view that, Fern, as inanity. There is a passage in the Letter to the Hebrews that reminds me of you. It was addressed to Jewish followers of Jesus who had fallen into bad habits:
Hebrews 5:12 Although by this time you ought to be teachers ...https://biblehub.com › hebrews
Instead of eating solid food, you still have to drink milk. ... By now you should be teachers. Instead, you still need someone to teach you the elementary truths ...
No, but Dr. Zelenko has medical license. He was maligned in many ways, but his results were not, to my knowledge ever challenged. I've read online and of other doctors getting same results with his cure. Cui bono?
The great problem with Dr. Zelenko's theory is that no one else was able to get the same results concerning these drugs. You must be able to repeat these studies in order to verify efficacy.
True. And I find it curious that they will incorporate the results of Zelenkos 'study,' and not the CDC studies on the vaccines...which, as we know, now are totally vetted from independent research.
Lots of doctors got same results, but most of them didn't care for medical board investigations and public witch hunts and did it off label. Some doctors took the risk of coming out publicly for using hydroxychloroquine with zinc, and they were banned from Facebook, You-Tube, just like Zelenko. If Zelenko had made up his "story", the New York State Medical Board would have had his hide. A Texas doctor who promoted hcq and zinc in front of the national
Capitol, the youtube of it went viral in minutes, internationally, then was killed by YouTube, was investigated by the Texas Medical Board, which later dismissed the investigation. That doctor was from Africa. Was a Trump fan. A minister. She gave a sermon on women having sex with demon sperm. In her spiritual history, that probably was something people believed in. The Bible speaks of angels coming down and having sex with human women. Anyway, looked to me that doctor failed to see the demon sperm that had infected Trump, which he was spewing everywhere and infecting tens of millions of Americans, while the doctor was vilified on national TV, even as she was saving people with Covid-19, using hydroxychloroquine and zinc, and she was not disciplined by her medical board.
“Agrowing body of clinical studies indicates that hydroxychloroquine is ineffective in treating COVID-19 and may actually increase mortality. The World Health Organization, the National Institutes of Health, the FDA, and the pharmaceutical company Sanofi, which sells hydroxychloroquine under the brand name Plaquenil, have all issued guidelines cautioning against the kind of early, prophylactic use of the drug that Trump has hyped and Zelenko advocates. On Friday a retrospective study of 96,000 COVID-19 patients on six continents, published in the medical journal The Lancet, found that hospitalized patients treated with hydroxychloroquine and an antibiotic—part of the drug combination Zelenko has plugged—were 45% likelier to die.” https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2020/05/documents-expose-fda-commissioners-interventions-on-behalf-of-trump
Sloan Bashinsky’s information is clear, detailed, and essentially correct. You could dispute the information he provides, but instead, the mob here calls him “insane,” an “idiot,” calls the information “abject stupidity” and “manure,” and wishes for his demise. Notice the response contains no content, just rage. Which side should we listen to, the one with information (which we can research and debate) or the one that wants to stone the witch?
Dr. Zelenko himself is clear and humble, with no apparent motive other than to help people (for which, of course, he is defamed by the New York Times.) Hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin are among the safest drugs the world has ever known. Hydroxychloroquine is 65 years old, prescribed to hundreds of millions with virtually no ill side effects. Ivermectin is 40 years old and has been called one of the three “wonder drugs” along with aspirin and penicillin. It also has been prescribed safely to hundreds of millions of people. From a 2011 paper (before COVID politics) from the National Center for Biotechnology Information, which is supported and funded by the U.S. government:
“There are few drugs that can seriously lay claim to the title of ‘Wonder drug’, penicillin and aspirin being two that have perhaps had greatest beneficial impact on the health and wellbeing of Mankind. But ivermectin can also be considered alongside those worthy contenders, based on its versatility, safety and the beneficial impact that it has had, and continues to have, worldwide—especially on hundreds of millions of the world’s poorest people.”
It’s hard to know the effectiveness of hydroxychloroquine or ivermectin as COVID prophylactics or treatments because the media smear them as “dangerous” (“horse-de-wormer,” in the case of ivermectin). The Lancet published a study purporting to demonstrate the danger of hydroxychloroquine, which they had to retract because it was bogus. They hadn’t even tried to vet the source before they ran the article. Fauci (of course) cited the study favorably. He is a menace, telling us that “authority” is “science.” Not once have I heard him advocate for protecting old people, exploring novel treatments, or advising people to lose weight and improve their immune systems. He talks only of lockdowns, masks, and vaccines. He just likes being on TV, and he knows what will keep him there.
Seth Meyers does 20 minutes on the stupid and vile people who seek ivermectin as a treatment. I have a friend who has long-COVID. She had to call multiple pharmacists before finding one that would fill her doctor’s prescription, then had to drive 90 miles for it. Thank you, Seth Meyers and the New York Times.
The only thing wrong with these drugs is that they are inexpensive. Maybe they don’t help in every situation, but they certainly help in some, and we should be allowed to study and discuss the results. The media love huge corporations and expensive technology but they seem to have an irrational hatred of human beings.
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Fern, I believe most subscribers don't need to be reminded to refer to medical science when dealing with health issues of any sort. The few odd ducks who come here to spread their propaganda are not taken seriously by (probably) 99.9% of the folks here. What is frightening folks on other pages who are less judicious and far more gullible and willing to swallow the swill presented to them by charlatans. That is who needs to be convinced to "step away from the door".
Daria, This particular “odd duck”, Ned, has come here expressly to find support for his thesis that we are a cavern of raging filth, and he has cherry picked numerous quotes of comments here to attempt to prove his point. Here’s a quote he used on his blog of one of your comments: “ Daria writes, “There is no real difference between the far right, the evangelical right and the Taliban. There are too many MAGA angry fat white men without masks yelling and threatening people with violence.” By far right, she probably means middle-of-the-road Republicans who support gay marriage and legalized pot, but she doesn’t elaborate.“
I debated to give any attention to him at all due to my age old self debate. Am I exposing it to light or just serving to elevate it. I know my intention but not the result. 🤷🏻♀️
It was unseemly yesterday for you to suggest that my comment was inappropriate and to assume that you know better that I what would and would not be of interest to subscribers. Your wish to direct my work is not welcome.
Look, Ivermectin is a very effective antiparasitic drug taken the world over to rid the body of certain intestinal parasites. Hydroxychloroquine is an antimalarial and is used to treat rheumatoid arthritis and other auto immune disorders. Both if these drugs are great for what they are used for. However, what's not great is people jumping on a bandwagon of anecdotally driven information peddled by anyone, MD, DO, DC, Veterinarian, Holistic Healer, etc. The internet is loaded with voodoo medicine and fake science sites; people pass bogus information to one another at the beauty salon, barbers, over coffee. There's no denying Big Pharma is a monster, but for God's sake, when a New York Doctor who has treated a small cohort of patients with Hydroxychloroquine says that it's a cure that does not qualify as a study. And frankly, why should anyone trust the results of Zelenko's little experiment? What else were his patients taking along with the Hydroxychloroquine?
Please, stop spreading unsound medical conjecture and advice. Please keep your conspiracy theories to yourself, on your own substack page. Thanks.
zinc and azithromycin. hydroxychloroquine transported zinc into body cells, which zinc does not do on its own. Zinc inhibited Covid-19 replication. Azithromycin killed any secondary infection. 5 days of that was the total treatment. It was given to patients as soon as they showed symptoms, before they tested positive. To wait and let Covid-19 was too risky. Once it set in good, all that could have helped them was heroic medicine. M*A*S*H revisited. That was before Regeneron developed it's really expensive monoclonal antibody treatment, which saved Trump after he caught Covid-19 and was forced by his doctor into ICU. He was a grave risk, but that was never reported in the news.
What that doctor did was a battlefield study with his own patients, who had Covid-19 and his cure saved them from going to hospitals even dying there. That doctor had no reason to make it up. Other doctors heard of him and used his cure. They became the Resistance against the Medical-Industrial Complex, which stood to make peanuts from the doctor's cure. Peanuts. If I say that doctor was inspired by God, would anyone here believe me? I bet lots of MAGAs and Evangelicals would believe me, if they didn't view me as the Devil incarnate, because of how much I detest Donald Trump and them.
And if, as SB says, Zelenko served his cocktail in the very early stage, "even before they tested positive", one has to wonder if it actually did some harm? If they hadn't yet tested positive, took the Koolaid, and THEN tested positive..........huh?
This corrects the article "RETRACTED: Hydroxychloroquine or chloroquine with or without a macrolide for treatment of COVID-19: a multinational registry analysis" in Lancet, 32450107.
Retraction and republication: cardiac toxicity of hydroxychloroquine in COVID-19
Christian Funck-Brentano, Lee S Nguyen, and Joe-Elie Salem”
I take Hydrochloroquine and am tested yearly for blood, heart, and eye abnormalities that this drug can cause. I can't get it refilled unless I go through these evaluations. But, it works for my autoimmune disorder.
Thank you for the compliment AshleyR but I do not want to be overestimated as super smart but trying hard to be as competent as possible in my own field. ❤️
It isn't the prescribing of these drugs that is problematic. I use one of them regularly and it appears to keep my skin eruptions at bay. (I am also screened yearly for heart problems, blood disorders, and eye side effects due to this medication use because they are very common.) It is the supposed doctors that stepped forward to assign these medications as cures for COVID-19, and the rapid spread of this false information throughout the world that is the heart of this matter. This information was based on zero studies and evidence. Similar to drinking bleach or injecting sunshine into our veins.
Ned, the next time you quote me on your substack page please do so accurately. You attribute a comment to me that was not made by me. Please, do your homework. I will post the comment you attribute to me with the actual author's name as well as my own quote below. You wanna blog? Get your act together and do it right.
Cathy Learoyd (Texas)Sep 1
I agree. The far right, the evangelical right and the Taliban are basically indistinguishable. There are too many MAGA angry fat white men without masks yelling and threatening people with violence. With Rights come the responsibility to protect those rights for others. Otherwise it is anarchy.
My comment:
daria wilber (merida, yucatan)6 min ago
Christy, heres.my original post from 1 September. Ned obviously cannot be bothered to accurately quote me.
daria wilber (merida, yucatan)Sep 1
I need to think and collect my thoughts. The war in Afghanistan has taken a terrible toll on Afghan citizens, US Americans, and allies. There are loose ends which will result in additional lives being lost.
It is, first and foremost, time for every US American to understand that being a US American citizen is not a gift but something that takes dedication and commitment. That commitment includes not diminishing the intrinsic worth of another human being no matter where they live, the color of their skin or the god they believe in. Those of us who have sprung from immigrants, today or centuries ago, need to stop, take a breath and consider the fate of those Afghans (and others) who are desperate to land on US soil and live a "good life" - one where they and their children can learn and grow unencumbered by the politics of submission and hate.
There is no real difference between the far right, the evangelical right and the Taliban. They all are about curbing human and civil rights. We, in the US, have allowed bigotry and hate to percolate just below the surface for decades. When Trump became president he unleashed an unfathomable amount of hate and rage which infected millions around the country. We still, today, live with Trump's influence and stain.
My 67 years on this planet have been extraordinary in so many ways. I have been blessed. Even when I've struggled, I've believed in a better tomorrow and carried on. I no longer believe in a better tomorrow even as I advocate for one today. My thoughts are with those who have personally felt terror and loss as a result of the war in Afghanistan and subsequent withdrawal. May they find peace and comfort.
Actually Liz I believe it has increased. 26% is of the entire population. Most of that is the 78% of Republicans who believe it. Republicans are about 25% of the population so it must be Republican leaning independents that believe it. PT Barnum would call them all suckers.
Don't let the overall figure give you relief in that of the parties, the percentage is 78 of Republicans. That will remain the scary figure in my opinion.
Yes, when I see 78% of Republicans I want to know what percent of the population identify themselves as Republicans and has that changed. On President Biden's Inauguration day one of the big polls showed 25% Republican, 25% Democrat, and 50% independent! The same poll in August (Gallup) says 28% R, 29% D, 40% I. Statistics are so easy to give the wrong impression.
I will Top U and always wonder if they caused it ? It was said that in the “ Situation Room “ in problem solving if TFG was shown on a scale of 1-10 the actions that could be taken. TFG would pick 10 every-time ! 10 being the worst. Then they would have to spend all their time explaining to him the ‘Possible ‘ repercussions of that ‘10 ‘ and why it wasn’t a good idea.It explained why so many quit but also why so many stayed and resigned ( got fired )giving him pushback and trying to protect us. As bad as that Administration of 4 yrs was I’m positive there were/are some unsung hero’s.
Oops, I think Gloria Steinem said the truth will set you free, but first it will piss you off.
For years, I voted for 3rd party presidential candidates, or didn't vote. I reluctantly voted for Joe Biden because he and his legions didn't cause me to fear for the physical safety of my children and their families, and because he at least was talking about saving the planet from humanity. Yet, Joe Biden and his boss Barack Obama had staunchly continued the two Bush Cheney wars, after Obama was awarded, incredibly, and accepted, incredibility, the Nobel Prize for Peace. Then, the Democrats nominated the candidate Donald Trump could beat, Hillary Clinton, after the she and the DNC Watergated Bernie Sanders.
There is plenty of evil on both sides of the aisle, where I imagine a special place in hell is reserved.
However, the Trump train took America to its lowest level since the Vietnam war, and even since the Civil War. The election fraud claims are veiled allegations that black Americans stole the presidential election and gave the Democrats a majority in the House of Representatives.
How can anyone with half a brain think this giant cluster F is going to be satisfactory resolved? Yet, to do nothing, to let the bastards get away without at least trying them in the court of public opinion, even if the law courts don't stand to muster, well, I would not want that in my epitaph.
The saying " The truth will set you free, but first it will piss you off was already in circulation by 1990. Detailed citations for these dates are given further below.
This saying simultaneously modifies and evokes a well-known Biblical verse: John 8:32: 1
And you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.
This saying was published in a Syracuse, New York newspaper in a 1978 article about a treatment program for alcoholics. A poster displayed in a residential facility presented a variant of the saying with the phrase “make you miserable” instead of “piss you off”.
On the wall at The Willows dining room is a poster that poignantly reflects the alcoholic’s struggle: “The truth will set you free, but first it will make you miserable.”
For decades—and especially now, in these times of crisis—people around the world have found guidance, humor, and unity in Gloria Steinem's gift for creating ...
For decades—and especially now, in these times of crisis—people around the world have found guidance, humor, and unity in Gloria Steinem's gift for creating ...
For decades—and especially now, in these times of crisis—people around the world have found guidance, humor, and unity in Gloria Steinem's gift for creating ...
Oh Gloria… I don’t think she realized how many would be on that train come 2021.
Appreciate the quote and comment, Sloan.
I do believe the cluster f*ck will be resolved like breaking up a head of broccoli or cauliflower, but not quite sure yet how fresh those florets are going to taste.
It’s a lotta wheels to get back onto the bus.
I hope we all contribute our energy to the right solution.
In state after state the Big Lie (another audit, stronger laws for the o protection of election integrity in absence of evidence of fraud) is being paid for with tax dollars because, well I think I smell smoke so there must be a fire someplace to put out. So goes democracy by repeated insinuations. TFG never pays for the disaster created in his wake, only his rubes get the bill.
While reading this, I can't help but think of all the time, effort and funds being spent to both to perpetuate and stop the 'Big Lie' while our world crumbles down around us due to climate change and the people dying due to the inability to work together in an effort to control this epidemic. There are certainly some in power intent on destruction.
This is why I call the R party, the party of death....death of individuals from the virus which are now preventable, death of our democracy, and death of the planet.
All the more fitting that McConnell calls himself "The Grim Reaper"!
I’m stealing this for FB. I’m guessing you won’t mind in the least. 😁❤️
Please do. I post this all the time on Facebook.
Thanks, Michele. I riffed on it today, too.
I was put in FB's jail several times for writing about Zelenko and hydroxychloroquine and zinc. In my opinion the Left and its media and Fauci and Big Pharma caused America as much harm as Trump, the January 6 mob, the MAGAs and the Republicans.
Subscribers, LFAA does have software, which would block disinformation. The following represents information from a highly reputable sources of medical science:
'Recently, several physicians hosted a press conference in which one physician claimed that the combination of hydroxychloroquine, the antibiotic azithromycin and the mineral zinc could cure COVID-19. The video footage of that press conference went viral on social media, and soon many social media platforms removed the videos for providing inaccurate, non-scientifically backed claims. But questions from the public may still remain.
According to Johns Hopkins experts, there are no significant clinical trials to date showing that these drugs are an effective treatment against COVID-19. At least three controlled, large trials showed either no advantage or higher risk of cardiovascular complications in patients receiving the drug.
“Patients infected with COVID-19 often have compromised heart and vascular systems, and receive other drugs that can interact with hydroxychloroquine and can put patients at increased risk of arrhythmias or irregular heartbeats,” says cardiologist Oscar Cingolani, M.D., associate professor of medicine at the Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine. “These cardiovascular side effects in some COVID patients aren’t often seen in patients receiving the drug for other purposes like autoimmune disorders, so therefore the safety observed in these other patients can’t be inferred for COVID-19 patients.”
To date, Johns Hopkins physicians endorse the latest Centers for Disease Control and Prevention recommendations on not using these drugs for treatment of COVID-19.' (Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine, Newsroom)
https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/news/newsroom/news-releases/covid-19-story-tip-hydroxychloroquine-not-recommended-for-treatment-of-covid-19
Q: Are chloroquine phosphate or hydroxychloroquine sulfate approved by the FDA to treat COVID-19?
A: No. Hydroxychloroquine sulfate and some versions of chloroquine phosphate are FDA-approved to treat malaria. Hydroxychloroquine sulfate is also FDA-approved to treat lupus and rheumatoid arthritis.
On March 28, 2020, the FDA issued an emergency use authorization (EUA) for chloroquine phosphate and hydroxychloroquine sulfate to treat adults and adolescents hospitalized with COVID-19 for whom a clinical trial was not available or participation was not feasible. Based on FDA’s continued review of the scientific evidence available, the criteria for an EUA for chloroquine phosphate and hydroxychloroquine sulfate as outlined in Section 564(c)(2) of the FD&C Act are no longer met. As a result, the EUA for these two drugs was revoked on June 15, 2020. Read more about this action. (FDA)
Excellent counter move, Fern. I salute you.
Thanks SL.
Correction: '...LFAA does not have software to block...'
Darn! I was hoping we had a troll/aggravation solution.
You're correct, authors of content pages are the only ones who can block a commenter. 😐
What's LFAA?
Thank you, Fern. It would be nice if LFAA could block some blather here, but I'm guessing that we can manage to find reality on our own in most cases.
It repels me as well, particularly on the forum where we work hard to share and learn from one another.
Thank you Fern.
My husband's name, given by the soldiers in his company, was 'Indy'. He died in 2018. When I see your name, Terry, '(Indy)', there is often a tear and a smile on my face. You know, I not thinking of Indiana.
Link to a New York study of using hydroxychloroquine with and without zinc:
https://www.neurologyinsights.com/2020/12/01/study-zinc-hydroxychloroquine-combination-reduces-covid-19-mortality-rates/
He's talking about treating at risk patients this way, older people and younger people with serious medical problems. He did not treat low risk covid patients with hydroxychloroquine and zinc.
I don't think those patients were treated nearly as quickly as Dr. Zelenko treated his patients. His explanation in the YouTube I furnished early of treatment before Covid-19 sets in around day 6 is ... devastating, if treatment is delayed
Here is a link to a recent YouTube interview of Dr. Zelenko, I'm about 20 minutes into it, he's describing how this began for him and how he responded and why, and now he and Trump and Mark Meadows got involved, and now he's talking about why there was so intense blow back which at first made no sense to him. I've heard all of this in other YouTube interviews of him. If this man is a liar, then he's a darn good one. But I leave for you to watch the YouTube, or not.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MhLD1P5nH30
Was wrong about length of presentation, it's over 100 minutes. He's covering the basis, including his own nearly dying from medical troubles, and now he's explaining the hydroxychloroquine and zinc dynamic. All I have heard from him before.
Here's the text of an email from a friend who has a friend working in CDC:
Dear Sloan: I know a young woman who is a MD. She chose to work for the CDC and became an epidemiologist. Her comment on COVID is that the best thing anyone can do is to continue with a prophylactic regime as recommended by Dr. Zelenko. There are multiple subtypes of COVID, alpha and delta and gamma variants are the most commonly occurring. Because they have different RNA sequences, they also have no guarantee that the vaccines people have taken will protect them. Commingling of these subtypes of COVID could result in a superbug version of COVID- such a consequence could prove disastrous. In addition, her comment on vaccine side effects is that we do not have enough data on people properly and completely vaccinated. Look at the population 18+ and the number who reported receiving the vaccine. We simply don't have a complete enough picture to determine the whether the vaccine is responsible for the problems reported. At the same time, we cannot dismiss the allegations of severe complications due to taking the vaccine- that would be terribly irresponsible. We do need to examine the cofactors that could possibly cause vaccine complications.
Here's a link to my blog post that contains a photo of Dr. Zelenko and his March 23, 2020 letter to All World Health Professionals, cc President Donald J. Trump and Mark Meadow, Chief of Staff. This is the lies and quackery I am spreading. If the New York Medical Board thought it was lies and quackery, they would have been all over Dr. Zelenko.
https://afoolsworkneverends.blogspot.com/2021/09/dr-zelenkos-letter.html
You know that you're talking Science...
...right?
Your opinion has no basis in reality. Or, rather, it's based on your ideologically-driven alternate reality, in which the real world has no place.
Ultimately, one's views are either based on reality and routinely tested against it. Or they are based on what one wants or needs to believe and never tested against reality. Indeed, reality is something to be ignored or, at best, selectively edited to conform to ideology. It's called confirmation bias.
My experience is that there is no way past this bias.
Who’s reality?
Everybody shares they same reality. Opinions may differ, but facts are the same for everyone.
Elaine Hewitt, our drop-in Rusky troll. How I’ve missed you.
You still haven’t said whether you’re related to that formerly reliable conservative radio talk-show host, now flaming Orange Menace apologist Hugh Hewitt. (Who’s sadly swallowed the red pill.)
You don't get a personal reality, sorry. Unless you're delusional, of course.
And, rightfully so for spreading disinformation and lies.
And while FB puts those who post misinformation in jail. Our governor makes one our new surgeon general. This is his approach as reported in Tampa Bay Times yesterday:
“Here is my prescription for local and state leaders: Keep shutdowns short, keep the economy going, keep schools in session, keep jobs intact, and focus single-mindedly on building the capacity we need to survive this into our health care system,” Ladapo wrote. He opposes mask and vaccine mandates while advocating unproven treatments.
In other words, let Covid rip through the population and just build more hospital capacity.
While we’re at it, might as well stop wearing seatbelts, remove speed limits and stop signs, make smoking in public places legal, sell guns to anyone who wants one. Just build more hospitals.
Wouldn't be so bad if it affected only his party. Morons!
"We're gonna need a bigger morgue."
Being put in FB jail is not the Badge of Honor that you think it is.
I beg to differ. I've had multiple accounts deleted for "dealing in guns, drugs, or other contraban on the Facebook platform". All from pushing back on trump-sheep. Never sold a thing on Facebook in my life.
OK. It is NOT an honor when bestowed. It is ONLY an honor for one who earned it.
Not that it matters, of course, since you are obviously just trolling here to generate traffic to your blog.
My blog has very little traffic. Older blogs had much more traffic. A friend told me about Heather's letters and suggested I should check that out, so I did, and I found someone writing her guts, heart and soul out, putting herself in the crosshairs of legions of loonies mostly in the red spectrum. I really admired and respected that. I admired and respected that Heather's allowed her readers to comment freely. I once read the very mostly white right wing Patriot Post. The readers there really didn't like me, then I asked how many of them were not white people? Oh, that didn't go over well. There were lots of right wing comments, some really strung out. I was the only commenter who was not right wing. I quit participating, because what I viewed as patriotism was nothing like their view. And, because I wondered if they might retaliate against me through people I cared about. Later, the owner of that platform disallowed reader comments. I emailed him that he wasn't much on free speech. He did not reply.
You sound as nutty as a Trumper.
Robert, if you’re referencing SB’s BS above (Fauci caused as much harm as iDJT?!?!), I completely agree with your take.
Yes, absolutely.
I think there's no "as" involved. I would bet money Bashinsky is a true believer is Trumpism. Or maybe just a paid troll. Hard to tell the difference.
Heh, I think Donald Trump is a grotesque, despicable human being, who, along with his white supremacist mob that assaulted, breached and invaded the Capitol on January 6, should have been shot dead months ago. I started banging Trump on my blog and on Facebook in 2015, and never let up. I have banged him here. He and his fanatical mobs caused me to fear for the physical safety of my children, and that is one reason I reluctantly voted for Joe Biden. The other reason was Biden at least was talking about saving the planet from humanity. I put that on blog and Facebook many times, as well.
I have been called nutty and worse by Trumpers, and conservative Christians, and Republicans, and liberal Christians, and Democrats, and lots more "sects".
Troll sensors activated
Not to put too fine a point on it, but being dismissed as a nut by a wide spectrum of people of vastly differing viewpoints is not, in fact, a point in your favor. It is, in fact, rather the opposite. And labeling everyone who suggests you are a loony as a member of a "sect" doesn't change that.
Seriously?!!
I use preemptively zinc, sovereign silver and a few other well tested supplements.
Have you gotten the vaccine that has prevented thousands of deaths yet Elaine?
Don't forget your copper bracelet, essential oils, and Pirelli's Miracle Elixir.
Agreed agreed agreed! Thank you for your courage. You’ll get more harsh razzing for this. Stay strong!
He deserves all of it for spreading lies about a dangerous pandemic. So do you if you believe that drivel.
How many more people have to die and how badly stressed does our medical system have to become before you people start facing reality instead of pushing your quackery and paranoia?
I have seriously had it with you fools.
I'm used to harsh razzing. What I hope still is something will change and hydroxychloroquine and zinc will be freely available without prescription. That would really infuriate Big Pharma and its captured federal agencies.
I take hydroxychloroquine for light eruptions, and you would not believe the hassles I have been experiencing trying to obtain my meds due to shortages and restrictions of dispensing 16 tablets at a time. So forgive me for not taking you seriously on this misinformation.
Big Pharma is not a friend of the people who need certain prescriptions, but that doesn't mean you should push ineffective remedies of the virus. If you've got a gripe against Big Pharma (and many do) attack them for exorbitant prices on drugs. But don't push your pet remedies, for whatever reason.
Unfortunately for America and humanity, Trump was handed a cheap, 5-da early stage Covid-19 infection cure in March 2020, which led to the Hassidic doctor Vladimir Zelenko, who developed it in his very large family practice in a tightknit Hassidic New York community being interviewed by Sean Hannity and Trump promoting the cure on Television. Then, came massive Democrat and its media and Dr. Fauci, CDC, WHO, The Lancet, FDA and Big Pharma, CNN, MSNBC and other mainstream media witch hunts, which killed the cheap fast early stage infection cure that would have saved America and humanity from Red China's bioweapon. Trump could have used the power off his office to make the cure freely available to all people in America, but he caved to the political pressure and went for Operation Warp Speed, which, heh, his much of his own base rejected, as did more Republicans than Democrats and Independents. The cheap 5-day cure, which saved the doctor's patients from even going to hospitals, if they were treated as soon as symptoms appeared, even before testing positive, was hydroxychloroquine, zinc and azithromycin. HCQ transports zine into body cells, where zinc inhibits C-19 replication. Azithromycin dealt with any secondary infection. No big money to made in that by Big Pharma.
The last thing that anyone here wants are insane people like you pushing this abject stupidity.
Fauci was struggling to work in the middle of Trump's smoke & mirrors bullshit as Americans paid the price with their lives, and idiots- like you- assisted in disseminating this propagandist manure.
Enough. Seek help. Get medicated. Dry up and blow away.
He's a conspiracy theorist of the first order. I had a look at his substack postings. Pay him no mind.
Indeed, Robert!!
(And I am well acquainted with legitimate, career, legal professionals who can factually speak to SB’s decades-long, whackadoo BS.)
This sort of thing really makes it difficult for people (like myself) who have to help guide less than astute people safely through things like this. And I mainly have to deal with my own family members. What Trump and his cult have done is not only tragic, but criminal, in my personal opinion.
I wonder if those career legal professionals saw themselves in my 3rd book, KILL ALL THE LAWYERS? A CLIENTS GUIDE TO HIRING, FIRING, USING AND SUING LAWYERS? Prentice-Hall Division of Simon & Shuster?
(sigh) While I can see why your approach has generated so much outright rejection, I mislike simply calling names and yelling, "Go Home!" Nevertheless, you should not, Mr. Bashinsky, be making so many outre and complicated assertions without some citation to authority. You seem to be simply listing a bunch of baseless claims, then hoping the people on this forum will to the work of fact-checking you.
No dice, sir. You wanna make claims that a 5-day regimen of oral medications can kill a virus attack in delicately vascularized deep lung tissue? Go right ahead, but cite your sources. Who is this Dr. Zelenko who has done in his little clinic what 20 years of research into SARS-CoV infections has not been able to do? Has he published his research? Does he have a website? If the combined efforts of the "Democrat and its media and Dr. Fauci, CDC, WHO, The Lancet, FDA and Big Pharma, CNN, MSNBC and other mainstream media witch hunts" were marshalled to suppress news of this "miracle," where did you hear about it?
Again, quit being lazy and CITE YOUR SOURCES!
I'm actually amazed that it seems some or a lot readers here do not know about Dr. Zelenko. Yes, he published his research, and published more, and he did YouTube presentations, and it all was banned on Facebook. I have read online of a number of doctors using same cure for early stage infection getting same results. Note, early stage infection. I have heard of doctors prescribing hydroxychloroquine off label, to bypass the pharmaceutical and medical boards, because they liked using hydroxychloroquine with zinc. I have read many studies slamming hydroxychloroquine for Covid-19, it's dangerous, it doesn't work. None of the studies used zinc with hydroxychloroquine, and without zinc, hydroxychloroquine isn't effective against Covid-19. Hydroxychloroquine its the caddy, zinc is Tiger Woods. Covid-19 does not like zinc. Hydroxychloroquine is so dangerous it has been used for decades to prevent and treat malaria, lupus and rheumatoid arthritis. It is derived from chloroquine, which is derived from quinine, which is derived from the bark of a tree. I told a friend today that some of the people of this blog are as reactionary and hysterical as MAGAs and Evangelicals. Imagine what would have happened if President Trump had made Zelenko's cure freely available in April 2020. Imagine the bioweapon being stopped in its tracks. Imagine Trump being viewed a the guy responsible for that. He would have won the 2020 election in a LANDSLIDE!!! I detest the man. But he would still be president. Too damn bad Trump didn't have big enough balls to ignore the backlash against Zelenko's cure, which Trump himself took to prevent catching Covid-19 after some of his staff tested positive. Some doctor prescribed it for Trump. Later, after Trump caught Covid-19, he did not take the Zelenko cure and got and in really bad shape and was taken to ICU, where he was given Regeneron's new, still not yet approved for general use, very expensive monoclonal antibody treatment, which saved his sorry ass. Trump went for vaccines, which also were far more lucrative for Big Pharma than hydroxychloroquine and zinc. Now the irony, the right is a lot less vaccinated than the left. But from what I've heard on grapevines, the right and its doctors are more inclined to prescribe Zelenko's cure off label, and ivermectin, which Zelenko later came to say was a good early stage treatment. Also quercetin with zinc. Quercetin also transports zinc into body cells, and it does not require prescription. I've been taking quercetin and zinc since May 2020, and D-3, and I have not had even a sniffle. I also have now received 3 Pfizer shots. You folks who think I'm crazy might try doing your own research on Dr. Zelenko and his cure. There is gobs of stuff online. If you go looking for what agrees with you, then, well, isn't that way Republicans, MAGAs, Evangelicals, KKK, Nazis, Fascists, Communists do research?
Halllelujah! It's all on YouTube! Why didn't you say so in the first place?!
Looks like she lost you at "Source".....Oxford suggests...
Noun:
Similar: reference authority informant documentation
~ a book or document used to provide evidence in research
Zelenko ...so show us the studies...
it will be all the proof we need......
And, YouTube is NOT a source.
Counsel, Might there be some some cognitive hindrance concerning the defense's ability to coherently respond?
Google search "Dr. Zelenko" and read everything that comes up, and watch all the videos that come up, which will you a while. I am amazed that it seems you and all but one person in this discussion seem to know nothing about him. Plain and simple, because Trump touted Zelenko's cure (without naming Zelenko), the left's media and the left and medical-industrial complex went haywire. The left, because anything that made Trump look good was anathamea. The medical-industrial complex, because it had humongo;us money-making plans for new cures, vaccines, etc., which Dr. Zelenko's cure made unnecessary. I read article after article, supposedly scientific, slamming hydroxychloroquine as being dangerous (bull shit, it was used extensively for decades to treat and prevent malaria, and to treat lupus and rheumatoid arthritis. I read article after article on studies showing hydroxychloroquine was inneffective against Covid-19. But none of the articles and studies had zinc in the study. Which, Zelenko kept saying was the key ingredient, the bullet, and hydroxychloroquine was the gun that shot the bullet into body cells, where the bullet inhibited coronavirus replication. In his March 23, 2020 letter to All World Health Professionals, copied to Trump and Mark Meadows, Zelenko mentined old research about zinc being effective against coronaviruses. He described his reasoning and how he evolved it and then used it to treat his patients. I see no vehicle for posting that letter here, but I'm happy to provide a copy to anyone who wants to see it; sloanbashinsky@yahoo.com. That letter was read to America by Sean Hannity, who interviewed Zelenko. The left and its media went haywire. Look like mass insanity to me. The right looks like mass insanity to me. Heather paints that beautifully most days. I don't belong to a political party, or to the left or to the right. I am not loyal to either side's cannons, liturgies, catechisms, rituals, mantras. I see both sides spinning and twisting. And I see the truth buried in both sides, but only the truth they wish to claim. One wee example. I was banged here for quoting Gloria Steinem saying the truth will set you free, but first it will piss you off. I was banged for not saying that saying came much earlier in time. And, it was a spin off of Jesus' words in the Godpels, Nobody here gave Steinem credit for saying it, but it's the title of one of her books, which I was obliged to point out a few times, and not a dent seemed to be made in the people who had banged me for quoting Steinem. i view that, Fern, as inanity. There is a passage in the Letter to the Hebrews that reminds me of you. It was addressed to Jewish followers of Jesus who had fallen into bad habits:
Hebrews 5:12 Although by this time you ought to be teachers ...https://biblehub.com › hebrews
Instead of eating solid food, you still have to drink milk. ... By now you should be teachers. Instead, you still need someone to teach you the elementary truths ...
Sloan, I’m curious if you have a medical license to go with your law license?
No, but Dr. Zelenko has medical license. He was maligned in many ways, but his results were not, to my knowledge ever challenged. I've read online and of other doctors getting same results with his cure. Cui bono?
The great problem with Dr. Zelenko's theory is that no one else was able to get the same results concerning these drugs. You must be able to repeat these studies in order to verify efficacy.
True. And I find it curious that they will incorporate the results of Zelenkos 'study,' and not the CDC studies on the vaccines...which, as we know, now are totally vetted from independent research.
Lots of doctors got same results, but most of them didn't care for medical board investigations and public witch hunts and did it off label. Some doctors took the risk of coming out publicly for using hydroxychloroquine with zinc, and they were banned from Facebook, You-Tube, just like Zelenko. If Zelenko had made up his "story", the New York State Medical Board would have had his hide. A Texas doctor who promoted hcq and zinc in front of the national
Capitol, the youtube of it went viral in minutes, internationally, then was killed by YouTube, was investigated by the Texas Medical Board, which later dismissed the investigation. That doctor was from Africa. Was a Trump fan. A minister. She gave a sermon on women having sex with demon sperm. In her spiritual history, that probably was something people believed in. The Bible speaks of angels coming down and having sex with human women. Anyway, looked to me that doctor failed to see the demon sperm that had infected Trump, which he was spewing everywhere and infecting tens of millions of Americans, while the doctor was vilified on national TV, even as she was saving people with Covid-19, using hydroxychloroquine and zinc, and she was not disciplined by her medical board.
“Agrowing body of clinical studies indicates that hydroxychloroquine is ineffective in treating COVID-19 and may actually increase mortality. The World Health Organization, the National Institutes of Health, the FDA, and the pharmaceutical company Sanofi, which sells hydroxychloroquine under the brand name Plaquenil, have all issued guidelines cautioning against the kind of early, prophylactic use of the drug that Trump has hyped and Zelenko advocates. On Friday a retrospective study of 96,000 COVID-19 patients on six continents, published in the medical journal The Lancet, found that hospitalized patients treated with hydroxychloroquine and an antibiotic—part of the drug combination Zelenko has plugged—were 45% likelier to die.” https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2020/05/documents-expose-fda-commissioners-interventions-on-behalf-of-trump
Thanks, Christy.
And a source or sources?
Hopefully your Key West contacts include Dr. Jack Norris. He’s addressed the issue thoroughly.
The Lancet withdrew its article after a flood of complaints shredded it as false and contrived
huh?
Right, Daniel?!
Sloan Bashinsky’s information is clear, detailed, and essentially correct. You could dispute the information he provides, but instead, the mob here calls him “insane,” an “idiot,” calls the information “abject stupidity” and “manure,” and wishes for his demise. Notice the response contains no content, just rage. Which side should we listen to, the one with information (which we can research and debate) or the one that wants to stone the witch?
Dr. Zelenko himself is clear and humble, with no apparent motive other than to help people (for which, of course, he is defamed by the New York Times.) Hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin are among the safest drugs the world has ever known. Hydroxychloroquine is 65 years old, prescribed to hundreds of millions with virtually no ill side effects. Ivermectin is 40 years old and has been called one of the three “wonder drugs” along with aspirin and penicillin. It also has been prescribed safely to hundreds of millions of people. From a 2011 paper (before COVID politics) from the National Center for Biotechnology Information, which is supported and funded by the U.S. government:
“There are few drugs that can seriously lay claim to the title of ‘Wonder drug’, penicillin and aspirin being two that have perhaps had greatest beneficial impact on the health and wellbeing of Mankind. But ivermectin can also be considered alongside those worthy contenders, based on its versatility, safety and the beneficial impact that it has had, and continues to have, worldwide—especially on hundreds of millions of the world’s poorest people.”
It’s hard to know the effectiveness of hydroxychloroquine or ivermectin as COVID prophylactics or treatments because the media smear them as “dangerous” (“horse-de-wormer,” in the case of ivermectin). The Lancet published a study purporting to demonstrate the danger of hydroxychloroquine, which they had to retract because it was bogus. They hadn’t even tried to vet the source before they ran the article. Fauci (of course) cited the study favorably. He is a menace, telling us that “authority” is “science.” Not once have I heard him advocate for protecting old people, exploring novel treatments, or advising people to lose weight and improve their immune systems. He talks only of lockdowns, masks, and vaccines. He just likes being on TV, and he knows what will keep him there.
Seth Meyers does 20 minutes on the stupid and vile people who seek ivermectin as a treatment. I have a friend who has long-COVID. She had to call multiple pharmacists before finding one that would fill her doctor’s prescription, then had to drive 90 miles for it. Thank you, Seth Meyers and the New York Times.
The only thing wrong with these drugs is that they are inexpensive. Maybe they don’t help in every situation, but they certainly help in some, and we should be allowed to study and discuss the results. The media love huge corporations and expensive technology but they seem to have an irrational hatred of human beings.
Subscribers, please refer to medical science for information concerning our health. Unfortunately, another spreader of disinformation is among us. As we have advised, these are unfortunate distractions from the truth and our mission to work on behalf of democracy, addressing climate change, anti-abortion, anti-government, anti-taxes and anti-public health movements... you've got the drift. Salud!
Fern, I believe most subscribers don't need to be reminded to refer to medical science when dealing with health issues of any sort. The few odd ducks who come here to spread their propaganda are not taken seriously by (probably) 99.9% of the folks here. What is frightening folks on other pages who are less judicious and far more gullible and willing to swallow the swill presented to them by charlatans. That is who needs to be convinced to "step away from the door".
Daria, This particular “odd duck”, Ned, has come here expressly to find support for his thesis that we are a cavern of raging filth, and he has cherry picked numerous quotes of comments here to attempt to prove his point. Here’s a quote he used on his blog of one of your comments: “ Daria writes, “There is no real difference between the far right, the evangelical right and the Taliban. There are too many MAGA angry fat white men without masks yelling and threatening people with violence.” By far right, she probably means middle-of-the-road Republicans who support gay marriage and legalized pot, but she doesn’t elaborate.“
I debated to give any attention to him at all due to my age old self debate. Am I exposing it to light or just serving to elevate it. I know my intention but not the result. 🤷🏻♀️
It was unseemly yesterday for you to suggest that my comment was inappropriate and to assume that you know better that I what would and would not be of interest to subscribers. Your wish to direct my work is not welcome.
Thank you Fern! He’s been lurking awhile, and now painting this community with his own brush.
I'm guessing that deprivation of oxygen should render both "contributors" unable to continue their scholarly endeavors.
Look, Ivermectin is a very effective antiparasitic drug taken the world over to rid the body of certain intestinal parasites. Hydroxychloroquine is an antimalarial and is used to treat rheumatoid arthritis and other auto immune disorders. Both if these drugs are great for what they are used for. However, what's not great is people jumping on a bandwagon of anecdotally driven information peddled by anyone, MD, DO, DC, Veterinarian, Holistic Healer, etc. The internet is loaded with voodoo medicine and fake science sites; people pass bogus information to one another at the beauty salon, barbers, over coffee. There's no denying Big Pharma is a monster, but for God's sake, when a New York Doctor who has treated a small cohort of patients with Hydroxychloroquine says that it's a cure that does not qualify as a study. And frankly, why should anyone trust the results of Zelenko's little experiment? What else were his patients taking along with the Hydroxychloroquine?
Please, stop spreading unsound medical conjecture and advice. Please keep your conspiracy theories to yourself, on your own substack page. Thanks.
zinc and azithromycin. hydroxychloroquine transported zinc into body cells, which zinc does not do on its own. Zinc inhibited Covid-19 replication. Azithromycin killed any secondary infection. 5 days of that was the total treatment. It was given to patients as soon as they showed symptoms, before they tested positive. To wait and let Covid-19 was too risky. Once it set in good, all that could have helped them was heroic medicine. M*A*S*H revisited. That was before Regeneron developed it's really expensive monoclonal antibody treatment, which saved Trump after he caught Covid-19 and was forced by his doctor into ICU. He was a grave risk, but that was never reported in the news.
What that doctor did was a battlefield study with his own patients, who had Covid-19 and his cure saved them from going to hospitals even dying there. That doctor had no reason to make it up. Other doctors heard of him and used his cure. They became the Resistance against the Medical-Industrial Complex, which stood to make peanuts from the doctor's cure. Peanuts. If I say that doctor was inspired by God, would anyone here believe me? I bet lots of MAGAs and Evangelicals would believe me, if they didn't view me as the Devil incarnate, because of how much I detest Donald Trump and them.
And if, as SB says, Zelenko served his cocktail in the very early stage, "even before they tested positive", one has to wonder if it actually did some harm? If they hadn't yet tested positive, took the Koolaid, and THEN tested positive..........huh?
This corrects the article "RETRACTED: Hydroxychloroquine or chloroquine with or without a macrolide for treatment of COVID-19: a multinational registry analysis" in Lancet, 32450107.
Retraction and republication: cardiac toxicity of hydroxychloroquine in COVID-19
Christian Funck-Brentano, Lee S Nguyen, and Joe-Elie Salem”
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7347305/
I take Hydrochloroquine and am tested yearly for blood, heart, and eye abnormalities that this drug can cause. I can't get it refilled unless I go through these evaluations. But, it works for my autoimmune disorder.
Science for the win! Thanks for posting this, Christy! (The herders here whose names start with “Chris” seem super sharp!)
Thank you for the compliment AshleyR but I do not want to be overestimated as super smart but trying hard to be as competent as possible in my own field. ❤️
Amen, Ned. Good darn luck getting through to the reactionaries here.
It isn't the prescribing of these drugs that is problematic. I use one of them regularly and it appears to keep my skin eruptions at bay. (I am also screened yearly for heart problems, blood disorders, and eye side effects due to this medication use because they are very common.) It is the supposed doctors that stepped forward to assign these medications as cures for COVID-19, and the rapid spread of this false information throughout the world that is the heart of this matter. This information was based on zero studies and evidence. Similar to drinking bleach or injecting sunshine into our veins.
Ned, the next time you quote me on your substack page please do so accurately. You attribute a comment to me that was not made by me. Please, do your homework. I will post the comment you attribute to me with the actual author's name as well as my own quote below. You wanna blog? Get your act together and do it right.
Cathy Learoyd (Texas)Sep 1
I agree. The far right, the evangelical right and the Taliban are basically indistinguishable. There are too many MAGA angry fat white men without masks yelling and threatening people with violence. With Rights come the responsibility to protect those rights for others. Otherwise it is anarchy.
My comment:
daria wilber (merida, yucatan)6 min ago
Christy, heres.my original post from 1 September. Ned obviously cannot be bothered to accurately quote me.
daria wilber (merida, yucatan)Sep 1
I need to think and collect my thoughts. The war in Afghanistan has taken a terrible toll on Afghan citizens, US Americans, and allies. There are loose ends which will result in additional lives being lost.
It is, first and foremost, time for every US American to understand that being a US American citizen is not a gift but something that takes dedication and commitment. That commitment includes not diminishing the intrinsic worth of another human being no matter where they live, the color of their skin or the god they believe in. Those of us who have sprung from immigrants, today or centuries ago, need to stop, take a breath and consider the fate of those Afghans (and others) who are desperate to land on US soil and live a "good life" - one where they and their children can learn and grow unencumbered by the politics of submission and hate.
There is no real difference between the far right, the evangelical right and the Taliban. They all are about curbing human and civil rights. We, in the US, have allowed bigotry and hate to percolate just below the surface for decades. When Trump became president he unleashed an unfathomable amount of hate and rage which infected millions around the country. We still, today, live with Trump's influence and stain.
My 67 years on this planet have been extraordinary in so many ways. I have been blessed. Even when I've struggled, I've believed in a better tomorrow and carried on. I no longer believe in a better tomorrow even as I advocate for one today. My thoughts are with those who have personally felt terror and loss as a result of the war in Afghanistan and subsequent withdrawal. May they find peace and comfort.
"...time, effort and funds being spent to both to perpetuate and stop the 'Big Lie' while our world crumbles down around us"
It's worse.
The world crumbles BECAUSE we're focused only on these delusions that we've created.
It seems to me that the good news is the percentage of Americans believing in the Big Lie has decreased significantly.
Actually Liz I believe it has increased. 26% is of the entire population. Most of that is the 78% of Republicans who believe it. Republicans are about 25% of the population so it must be Republican leaning independents that believe it. PT Barnum would call them all suckers.
Don't let the overall figure give you relief in that of the parties, the percentage is 78 of Republicans. That will remain the scary figure in my opinion.
Numbers can be looked at in many ways...a good thing to remember.
Yes, when I see 78% of Republicans I want to know what percent of the population identify themselves as Republicans and has that changed. On President Biden's Inauguration day one of the big polls showed 25% Republican, 25% Democrat, and 50% independent! The same poll in August (Gallup) says 28% R, 29% D, 40% I. Statistics are so easy to give the wrong impression.
Also, those that follow and support TFG are not at all Republicans in the general sense. Polls haven't kept up with that trend.
I will Top U and always wonder if they caused it ? It was said that in the “ Situation Room “ in problem solving if TFG was shown on a scale of 1-10 the actions that could be taken. TFG would pick 10 every-time ! 10 being the worst. Then they would have to spend all their time explaining to him the ‘Possible ‘ repercussions of that ‘10 ‘ and why it wasn’t a good idea.It explained why so many quit but also why so many stayed and resigned ( got fired )giving him pushback and trying to protect us. As bad as that Administration of 4 yrs was I’m positive there were/are some unsung hero’s.
Oops, I think Gloria Steinem said the truth will set you free, but first it will piss you off.
For years, I voted for 3rd party presidential candidates, or didn't vote. I reluctantly voted for Joe Biden because he and his legions didn't cause me to fear for the physical safety of my children and their families, and because he at least was talking about saving the planet from humanity. Yet, Joe Biden and his boss Barack Obama had staunchly continued the two Bush Cheney wars, after Obama was awarded, incredibly, and accepted, incredibility, the Nobel Prize for Peace. Then, the Democrats nominated the candidate Donald Trump could beat, Hillary Clinton, after the she and the DNC Watergated Bernie Sanders.
There is plenty of evil on both sides of the aisle, where I imagine a special place in hell is reserved.
However, the Trump train took America to its lowest level since the Vietnam war, and even since the Civil War. The election fraud claims are veiled allegations that black Americans stole the presidential election and gave the Democrats a majority in the House of Representatives.
How can anyone with half a brain think this giant cluster F is going to be satisfactory resolved? Yet, to do nothing, to let the bastards get away without at least trying them in the court of public opinion, even if the law courts don't stand to muster, well, I would not want that in my epitaph.
Please stop with your false facts!
The saying " The truth will set you free, but first it will piss you off was already in circulation by 1990. Detailed citations for these dates are given further below.
This saying simultaneously modifies and evokes a well-known Biblical verse: John 8:32: 1
And you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.
This saying was published in a Syracuse, New York newspaper in a 1978 article about a treatment program for alcoholics. A poster displayed in a residential facility presented a variant of the saying with the phrase “make you miserable” instead of “piss you off”.
On the wall at The Willows dining room is a poster that poignantly reflects the alcoholic’s struggle: “The truth will set you free, but first it will make you miserable.”
SB is getting way too much attention for BS, which is exactly what he's looking for. What a waste of time and space on the forum.
Playing with men of scraggy beards and thoughts is funny.
(I have no truck with beards, sporting one these days.
But have no truck with scraggly thinkers.)
Daniel, you constantly amuse me!!
"If you don't laugh, you're gonna' [sometimes: 'gotta'] cry."
Old Jewish Saying
And old Jews know from what they're saying.
Check this out: Steinem's book
The Truth Will Set You Free, But First It Will Piss You Off!https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com › books › the-tr...
For decades—and especially now, in these times of crisis—people around the world have found guidance, humor, and unity in Gloria Steinem's gift for creating ...
I am, of course, familiar with Ms Steinem's work and her contributions to society. There is no need for me to "Check this out".
Please keep your references straight though.
A version of the expression that you quote was already in circulation by 1990, decades before Ms Steinem's book.
Not to mention the version appearing in the Bible, from long ago
Actually, in the Gosoels, Jesus told people, if they abide in his words, they would come to know the truth and the truth would set them free.
And your notation re the quotation is important for the topic here is...?
It was a Tell that the commenter was stretching to validate has comment by attributing his knowledge of Gloria Steinem.
Basic knowledge would have informed that this quotation is found much earlier (like Biblical, or at least, The Willows guidance.)
The Truth Will Set You Free, But First It Will Piss You Off!https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com › books › the-tr...
For decades—and especially now, in these times of crisis—people around the world have found guidance, humor, and unity in Gloria Steinem's gift for creating ...
Check this out, Steinem's book
The Truth Will Set You Free, But First It Will Piss You Off!https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com › books › the-tr...
For decades—and especially now, in these times of crisis—people around the world have found guidance, humor, and unity in Gloria Steinem's gift for creating ...
Oh Gloria… I don’t think she realized how many would be on that train come 2021.
Appreciate the quote and comment, Sloan.
I do believe the cluster f*ck will be resolved like breaking up a head of broccoli or cauliflower, but not quite sure yet how fresh those florets are going to taste.
It’s a lotta wheels to get back onto the bus.
I hope we all contribute our energy to the right solution.
United!
Look at the commotion my comments caused in this forum, one nation under God, indivisible, not even close, sadly
Thank you. Terry; I think nihilism is the word.
So, true!
In state after state the Big Lie (another audit, stronger laws for the o protection of election integrity in absence of evidence of fraud) is being paid for with tax dollars because, well I think I smell smoke so there must be a fire someplace to put out. So goes democracy by repeated insinuations. TFG never pays for the disaster created in his wake, only his rubes get the bill.
"TFG never pays for the disaster created in his wake, only his rubes get the bill."
Read Naomi Klein's 'Disaster Capitalism' to see how he makes money BY CREATING DISASTERS.
Exactly. Such a waste, among other things.
Terry This gives an entirely new perspective on Shakespeare’s Henry IV UNEASY LIES THE CROWN. How easy lies the ex-crown.
Fern My bizarre humor offsets the tasteful understatements of my comments. Can you Trump this?
I've aced it, Keith. Better luck next time. I can't wait.