Read him his rights and take him into custody. What if anyone else was was passing out critical military secrets? Would there be any question?
If a president has absolute impunity, is he or she not an autocrat? That's simply not a president; it's an emperor or dictator. If a president is not accountable to law, can you call it a "republic…
Read him his rights and take him into custody. What if anyone else was was passing out critical military secrets? Would there be any question?
If a president has absolute impunity, is he or she not an autocrat? That's simply not a president; it's an emperor or dictator. If a president is not accountable to law, can you call it a "republic"? If those who trusted to craft, judge and administrate the law consistently show contempt for the law, why would anyone respect it?
"Read him his rights and take him into custody." Yes. Now! If Trump was willing to share nuclear warhead information, what else did he share? What has he made copies of? What could he continue to share? Lock him up and conduct a thorough and extensive search of every property he owns or has visited. Look under every rock.
If this revelation, this act of betrayal, is defended by a politician, you will know everything you need to know about that person. Traitor to democracy. Traitor to America. Traitor to its citizens.
BTW, go to the digital edition of the NY Times today. The story of this betrayal of key nuclear secrets is way down the page - the 17th article. When did treason become so unimportant?
I do not believe "all of these acts of betrayal" are only Trump's doing. There must be persons with great power and lots of money together who chose Trump as the perfect candidate to betray our country for power and position.....the most immoral person that could be found, the one with the largest ego....most self-centered.....yet with a name that called attention to personal power over everything.
He is a person very easy to be used to betray our nation on every level, for money or recognition. Inside, he is empty...only a large shell of a human being. I am sure those who are using him are laughing their way to hell as they enjoy the gain they can get out of him and his children....who are the same.
Our enemies want to destroy our freedoms. They want power to use our resources as they choose. They have studied our citizenry and found ways to use them as their puppets. "Let's just give them their guns....let's encourage them to form "brotherhoods of male righteousness!!!".... groups where they can make the rules and disobey the laws our forefathers have given us..... And then let's push the "Pro Life " agenda when they could care less about women or the condition of their womb....or their health or their safety!!! or the children that may or may not be born.
Let's not forget the flow of drugs. Addiction is an easy alternative to a false feeling of escape from an empty space in our lives......misery, pain, lack of feeling powerful...etc .
Our enemies are within and without and they know us well. Especially they know our weaknesses, which are real. I believe it is far past the time that we show them our strength!!!
Wherever we are in life, whatever our strengths and inspite of the weaknesses we have,
we must defend freedoms ....hard won by our forefathers !!!!
Enough attention to Trump!!!! This only empowers his ego!!!! He is a traitor and so are those who blindly and not so blindly follow him!!!!
Thank you Bill. I am so tired of important pieces of information like this does not get more than 15 seconds on MSM, but we get hours upon hours of time given to meaningless polls and non agenda performances of the party of crazy.
When I push AOL mail, I get a screen that has a lot of little bait titles of news happenings. I would say 1/4-1/3 are about trump or the circus in Congress. Unless it says he is convicted, I don't bother reading them.
My car is my bulletin board for my politics, social beliefs. I refuse to have any anti trump stickers. I am not giving him any free advertising. BTW I do live in a fairly blue area so my car is not in danger. :)
Thank you for so eloquently expressing many of the random thoughts and ideas I’ve had in my head for a while. You’ve made wonderful sense of it. I wondered if I was turning into a conspiracy theorist, but it really is a conspiracy isn’t it?
BitsyBelle !, This is Critical HELL , Smack !, in Our FACE ! The MAMMONITERS, The GREEDY GUTS, & the Rubbish Mankind, are SLOWLY, Being 'Gathered UP ! ' , ,,,,,, for the "INCINERATOR PROJECT " ! LORD !, Have MERCY !!
I couldn’t agree more! He should definitely have been detained in prison from day one of his first indictment. Many say that no one is above the law, but those folks don’t seem to think that applies to a former president!!! I will never understand that. Now to find out he has revealed nuclear submarine details.... what else has he shared??? I bet it’s a lot. Why did Jared receive $2B from the Saudi’s??? You guessed it, for some top secret documents given to them. Why isn’t this being investigated but Hunter Biden is!!!! SMH...
The Rioters all were detained until their trials even though they are innocent until proven guilty. Saudi? The Prince overrode the rest of the committee to give Jared the deal BUT someone else had to run it because Jared wasn't qualified.
Reason (in my opinion)? The Prince is counting on trump to win. and wants something from us. Something with the oil perhaps. I saw that trump had asked the Prince to lower production at some point (might be a good reason). Maybe they want some our weapons to fight Yemen? We do have water (at least we did before the droughts) and Saudis do have water right in AZ=LMAO
I am no expert, but it appears to me that the predators among us, the ones who use a fountain pen rather than a six gun to enforce their will, set traps for our vulnerable human ego (Latin for "I") without the encumbrance of conscience. Trump is a total malignant narcissist who sees people as objects to be manipulated. He is an opportunist. The 9/11 hijackers were fanatics; malignant narcissists who fancy themselves a arbiters of whether people are worthy to exist. Either way, the perspective is sociopathic.
The sad thing is that I think we all have some degree of potential "Mr. Hyde" in us, and those who see us as objects see that they can freely use to there own gain ir amusement, and it works. Many cultured, educated nations (probably all, to some degree) have become infected with with societal malignant narcissism; a populace that manifests both Jekyll And Hyde, as in our own case the patriot dreams that saw beyond the years coexisting with indigenous genocide, sexism and slavery. we watched cultured, educated Germany, Italy, Japan, and Spain fall to sociopathic madness, and there are many more. The pretexts for mass murder can seem as absurd as Swift's fictitious war over how to open a hard boiled egg, but it's always about ego, power, and exploitation.
And for sure Trump is as much an effect as a cause. The former "GOP" has fully become a Plutocrat Influenced Criminal Organization. The vestiges of conscience, such as Kinzinger and Cheney, have been firmly rejected.
That’s the plan as far as I’m concerned. Get to the very bottom feeders of this insurrection. Down to dog catcher. Destroy the root.
Despots, dictators and authoritarian regimes will and always have been a threat to stable governments since the beginning of communities.
Every word in your post is truth.
I lost a few friends and family members when I posted after Trump and Putin’s meeting in Helsinki/2018 that Republicans are formally traitors if they continue to support this deranged, incompetent narcissist. No one I was close to, so I blocked other relatives who I knew were Trump supporters more for their sake than mine.
Support for an orange fake tanned, with teased extensions and hair plugs, lazy, golf cheating, coup attempting, 7th grader, who’s own parents couldn’t tolerate him and sent him off to a military (reform school) academy did nothing to discourage his antisocial behavior. Fred Trump turned his son into a useful idiot as front man to a corrupt real estate company.
I’m truly surprised Trump wasn’t investigated in the ‘80’s & 90’s for fraud. The secretive activity that protected him goes that far back. With the backing of Putin, Russian Oligarchs and corruption in our society and government through the Republican Party.
Federalist Society billionaires making money through conveniently placed loop holes in tax laws, these oligarchs seized the opportunity to guide Trump to the channels that would lead to January 6th 2021.
The person most guilty of creating great wealth for billionaires, oligarchs and tax cheats at that time was Speaker of the House, Newt Gingrich. Who, in my opinion is definitely a spoke in the wheel that should be charged with more corruption leading to an attempted coup. Next is Dick Cheney and George W Bush along with key players during both administrations of W. Of course all Republican administrations are guilty of attempting coups, the Federalist Society offered great sums of money and services for those willing to be corrupted, threats to others and their families to keep mouths shut.
Clarence and Ginni Thomas are out in the open now with their supporter/mentor Harlan Crow and the unreported gifts and taxes, giving the Americans the middle finger, “ What are you gonna do? Sue Me? Ha Ha Ha Ha! Screw all of you!” We’re not going to stop, so you can all kiss my ass!” We have no recourse? Of course we do! We need to vote for representatives in the House who are willing to do so.
When trump was in office, I made some comment that I didn't like trump. She said well, if you don't respect the president, you don't respect your country. I said I cold still like my country and not the president. That was the last time we spoke. BTW I did try to reach out to her with a Christmas card-no respoinse.
It is in Donny's background. Grandpa left Germany right before WWI and wanted to return afterwards. Germany said no. Back in the states he sets up shady real estate deals (sound familiar) and had brothels. maybe this accounts for the sex thing going on trump.
And so are those who not blindly at all have chosen him as their dupe. Reminds me of Barbra in Funny Girl, "My dope was an innocent dupe; or my dupe was an innocent dope?" Only this time, not so innocent.
One of those people is Putin. Trump's connection to Putin through his wife's father being FSB for the Czech Republic back in the day, and in Putin's cadre establishes the connection between Putin and Trump through his marriage. I am sure Putin is doing a lot of his calculations on everything based on private information Trump has given him. We know the Saudi's got privileged information, and what about North Korea? What about Iran? What about China? Trump committed treason, but no one names it as such legally. He is a traitor to our nation and to the world!
There is legal treason, and then there is the word treason and what it means. By definition of the word, Trump has committed treason. He has tried and continues to try to overthrow the government.
I just sent off a letter to the editor expressing my disgust at their placing this story so far down the online page.
As for those who choose to cancel subscriptions, I would say that is worse than useless. The paper won't know why the subscription has been cancelled and the former subscriber will have cut themselves off from other worthwhile articles including articles having nothing to do with current politics. Same goes for those who unsubscribe from the Washington Post. Both papers host Opinion writers.
While I consider most of the "conservative" opinion writers objectionable (and seldom read them), I consider it reasonable that a newspaper or online programs include different perspectives even when I find some of them objectionable. Without that, how different are they from the Fox News one-sided presentations?
That’s it, I’ll cancel too but will also contact them to say why. I haven’t looked for NYT email or phone number yet but if anyone has info to share, it’s most appreciated.
I sent my comments to letters@nytimes.com but I did not and will not unsubscribe. I don't believe doing so actually sends a message but do believe sending comments expressing our disagreement with their coverage of certain "news" topics.
He said that Milley should be executed, and Trump thinks he (himself) has the right to betray the US, cause chaos, trash the Capitol....can no one commit this man? He is so unhinged
Or how can a criminal like him be allowed to run for the presidency?? Law scholar Laurence Tribe and Judge Littig cite sec. 3 of the 14th ammendment to back up why he should not run. The argument is that voters should decide. I maintain that if a mass murderer isn't allowed to run and let the people vote, he should not be allowed either....
Though there are ~45% of Americans that believe his every word and do not care if he did all that he has been charged with they will support him to the end.. He has ignited a infinite amount of hate and loathing, a Wild West mentality that is going to be hard to stifle.
Yes, it's unbelievable what this guy has fomented and how his followers swoon under his spell. He is the embodiment of the definition of the Antichrist....
Yes, just think of all those SECRET meetings Trump had with Putin where no Americans were allowed I. - just a Russian interpreter. Or the one time an American interpreter was allowed in but Trump took all their notes from the meeting. The CORRUPTION and TREASON is astounding and we do nothing but follis the VERY SLOW gears of Justice that will eventually allow him to never be held to account.
“If that’s all we discussed, we already know that,” said former Australian ambassador to the US. Australian sailors work on the nuclear subs with Americans and we share, yada yada. New York Times. The Guardian reports much more from the Australian side, with former prime ministers denying they were given the information. (Btw, Guardian site has no ads.)
Absolutely and entirely different contexts (re the quoted former ambassador). I'm sure that non-U.S. sailors who train on U.S. nuclear warships are cleared and required to sign agreements that they will not share what they learn. Sure, they could still talk about it inappropriately but few if any would. Ambassadors and their ilk would of course be made aware of certain classified information. The point is that tfg told a civilian who told at least 45 others (who probably passed it on to others), ensuring that the classified information becomes "common knowledge".
Yes. My thought was why the NYTIMES minimized the importance of Trump’s “sharing” and the further sharing. Almost implying no big deal if one former ambassador excuses it. Move along, nothing to see here?
I’d like to know that too. My son was an officer on a submarine during those years. We know how Trump feels about the military. Does the press feel that way too? All very sad for us and our men in uniform…And they wonder why recruitment in down.
My thoughts exactly Richard. Shared with a businessman who then shared them far and wide. And as Bill asks below what else did he share is still sharing. And yes, every one who defends him is also a traitor.
Michele, and further to your point, what about the 2 hour private meeting with Putin in Helsinki where Trump confiscated the interpreter's notes and told her to say nothing about what was discussed? I have zero doubt that Trump gave Putin state secrets and received marching orders from Putin. I feel certain that Putin has been blackmailing Trump with something, probably photos of him naked with young females in Moscow hotel rooms.
I agree Richard. however he doesn’t need to be blackmailed to cooperate with Putin. He loves that monster. Loves autocrats and dictators and wants to be one!
I am sure you are correct. This is like giving the fox the keys to the henhouse....only it is egregious treason. Not insurrection, not sedition, but treason, plain and simple. And I also agree with Kitsy below, death star loves dictators, all of them. Somewhere I read and so i can't verify that Putin and the Russians had their eyes on death star for a long time. Let's see...how can we destroy the US without firing a shot.
The day after the debacle, Milley wrote a message to the joint force reminding every member that they swore an oath to the Constitution. “This document is founded on the essential principle that all men and women are born free and equal, and should be treated with respect and dignity. It also gives Americans the right to freedom of speech and peaceful assembly…. As members of the Joint Force—comprised of all races, colors, and creeds—you embody the ideals of our Constitution,” he wrote. “We all committed our lives to the idea that is America,” he wrote by hand on the memo. “We will stay true to that oath and the American people.”
“You see, we in uniform are unique…among the world's armies. We are unique among the world’s militaries. We don’t take an oath to a country. We don’t take an oath to a tribe. We don’t take an oath to a religion. We don’t take an oath to a king or a queen or to a tyrant or a dictator. And we don’t take an oath to a wannabe dictator. We don’t take an oath to an individual. "
“We take an oath to the Constitution, and we take an oath to the idea that is America, and we’re willing to die to protect it.…"
“Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.”— Frank Wilhoit
But seriously, The Beast's goal since 2016 is to make himself dictator. Every action he's taken as been aimed at that end. It's super clear. The fact that our government isn't able to put him behind bars immediately is an indictment of our system, actually. It presupposes a population of non-beasts.
The Speaker of the House. 2 steps from President. Would Trump accept the position? In a heartbeat. Seeing how easy it was to take Prigozhin out, all Queens Man would need is a couple dupes in our Security State to blow up themselves, along with a president and a veep, and Viola!
I presume you did not read it here first – it's as old as this idiotic nation – but no longer a purely speculative point to ponder. Not with this guy.
JL, TFG believes, like Nixon, that a president can do anything. “Well, when the President does it, that means that it is not illegal." And, with TFG, it’s all about impressing the top people: the biggest inaugural crowd, the biggest penthouse, the most beautiful woman on his arm, the most knowledge about state secrets…
His toadies believe that he will protect them and share the wealth until he throws them under the bus and stiffs them.
It was a mistake for Ford to pardon Nixon, setting up the idea that, if a Republican president does wrong, the next Republican president will pardon him. The rot has been there for a long time.
"It was a mistake for Ford to pardon Nixon, setting up the idea that, if a Republican president does wrong, the next Republican president will pardon him. The rot has been there for a long time."
That was clearly a betrayal and a terrible precedent on the day it was announced. What to do about Nixon was debatable, but the preemptory "pardon" (how is that even considered legal?) corruptly misapplied the law to halt due process of law for political reasons. I'm not sure it was causal, but I think it helped psychologically inure the public for the rash of transparent political abuses of law that have followed. Certainly Trump has demonstrated how corrupt the anachronistic arbitrary power of pardon can be. Some years ago a majority of SCOTUS decided that the condemned must be executed by the state even if irrefutable evidence of his or her innocence appears after appeals. The court cited executive pardon as the accused sole remedy. We have something close to such a case right now: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/oct/02/texas-robert-roberson-death-penalty-supreme-court-appeal-denied .
Some years ago a person imprisoned for a serious non-capital crime (I don't recall the details) was demonstrated to be innocent, but the governor, who had happened to be the person who prosecuted the case, flatly refused the pardon. Perfectly legal. It's a matter of whim.
I think there is an important place for pardon where changing perspectives show some sort of error (such as absurd sentences for marijuana use, now legalized in many states) but ANY significant unaccountable governmental power is especially vulnerable to abuse.
Yes, that would redefine the president as an autocrat. Perhaps the Odious Beast is really an originalist and is going waaaay back to the 18th century and agreeing with that camp that wanted a king, not a dictator.
If this particular lawbreaker had his rights read to him, and was taken into custody, is the nation prepared to deal with a violent reaction on the part of his supporters? I don't think so. As for the requested delays in Trump's lititgation, it should be clear that they want justice to be postponed until after his death.
I think we ARE prepared for a violent reaction from his supporters, actually.
First - his calls for violence - and his calls for protesters at the sites of his court appearances - have been met with - meh.. 25 protesters in NYC. The groups are still out there but they're seeing long prison sentences for some Jan. 6 insurrectionists and they're also afraid that FBI informants are pretending to be members of the hard right groups.
I do believe his followers would be furious and might act on it - but can't we be prepared for that? We have ways to contain violence we know is coming.
And if we're afraid of violence, why do we keep letting him stir it up?
I believe his followers would be furious, would stop voting, and would complain to the high heavens. Ok, they're entitled to do that. They might keep going to rallies held by other people, until they weren't fun anymore. They might keep showing their MAGA signs and wearing their MAGA hats. Ok, not a problem.
I'm just not seeing some big civil war coming out of holding him fully accountable.
And if we won't do this when it's called for - who are we, really? Just full of sound and fury and afraid to do the right thing because it might be a problem?
JFK had the balls to sign a civil rights law that he knew would infuriate southerners, and he was right to do so. And there wasn't a civil war.
I don't see a 'big civil war' coming out of holding him accountable, but many minor incidents by supporters, armed by the SCOTUS' misinterpretation of the Second Amendment in 2008.
I moved from Norfolk to the midwest. I live in the small town my husband grew up in. I have some real issues with fake marines/army dudes. They dress up and know some of the talk but when I ask about their experiences - not war stories, I'm not an a**hole - their stories start falling apart and then usually get down to a relative of theirs served.
They wear some of the damndest shit you ever saw. The village president wears a high n tight like a marine would and said to my face when I asked him about being military that he dresses like a marine because people respect him for it but it's his son that serves. He's not as bad as the sons of the legion who show up looking like and acting like Nam vets. I wouldn't care about the sons at the legion meeting because legions are dying off, but wtf, seriously, some asshat gets to talk down to me, out of the 2 of us, I'm the real fucking vet. I hate these midwest fucks.
I'd let it go and let them play their games but it's downright disrespectful to all us who actually served. Honestly the next person who calls themselves a vet, I wanna see a dd214. How do yall deal with these fucktards?
That is the Neville Chamberlain approach. Appeasement doesn't work. Yes, the nation will face tumult from his followers. But it can't be helped. They certainly aren't amenable to reason. So follow the law, enforce the law, and endure the short term pain.
Maybe, just maybe, the revelation that Trump disclosed secrets about our nuclear submarines will wake up people to the fact that a traitorous ex-president could take office again.
And wake them up to the fact that his Republican lapdogs in the House are a threat to the nation merely for their undying blind devotion to Trump.
And maybe wake up many in the media that they're aiding and abetting enemies of democracy via their timid and weak don't-rock-the boat faux journalism.
Autocrat sums it up. Well we could add on a horse's ass. But that's offensive to horses. Blowhard. I believe there are still this who respect constitutional principles, although it can be very hard to tell at times. But there is a new, exciting level of consciousness that's emerging with Gen Z. I'm eager to see how the next elections go. The Zs have sworn they will be voting in large numbers. I have my eyes on two very interesting young people. Cuban American Mark Frost, youngest member of Congress, backed by the Obamas. Mark works as an uber driver to pay for college degree. He's been on several of the morning shows. Articulate and dedicated. Then there is young Dem representative in the TX house. African american, female, a Rhodes Scholar, They are not only the new blood, they are the heart, the soul and the passion of America's future. Coherent and dedicated. They take my breath away..blew the blues right out the door! Google them, get a hit on what's cooking. Support if you can. Step out of the shadows and be warmed by their fire, inspired by their smarts and their dedication. They are the faces of America's future.
Where have you been? On Mars? TFFG hasn't followed even one "rule". How about the GOP? They are doing nothing for their "employers". Watch them chose their next "speaker". Ironic how many common words not require quotes.....
Including "Republican". That said, I think many of us have been lulled into forgetting who and what we are, and what out duties have been all along. They told me on public school that Lincoln had nailed it:
"that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth. "
we each had to recite it from memory before the class, as well as the Preamble to the Constitution, and while I often had a low opinion of memorization work, I sensed to both were worth remembering (which I imperfectly still do). So the abiding question is "If these particular principles are so fertile, what happens if you take them seriously?". The Declaration of Independence as well, which we learned to remember part of. What if we held those"yardsticks" up to everything our society and government was, is and gets to be? What if we triaged everything now in place against those standards? Looks to me like we are collectively The Boss" which means we have a collective job to do. Lying to or cheating "The boss" gets you fired in any organization. Everybody has universal, unalienable human rights, and a duty to observe them, for all. Everyone offered protection by law, theoretically equally. Everyone has a guaranteed right to vote, and have that vote counted fairly.
In many ways, are being taken for a ride, and not, I think, where we want to go. The "tail is wagging the dog".
Why isn’t Trump arrested and jailed pending trial for giving away critical national secrets? He should not be allowed out on bail. He is a danger to society because of the ongoing risk that he will give away other critical national secrets.
How did he get these boxes of documents? The National archives asleep at the wheel? Nothing that that says classified should go out the office. They should never be declassified by thinking it or otherwise. Even if the information is "old" it still could have some value to an enemy.
Read him his rights and take him into custody. What if anyone else was was passing out critical military secrets? Would there be any question?
If a president has absolute impunity, is he or she not an autocrat? That's simply not a president; it's an emperor or dictator. If a president is not accountable to law, can you call it a "republic"? If those who trusted to craft, judge and administrate the law consistently show contempt for the law, why would anyone respect it?
"Read him his rights and take him into custody." Yes. Now! If Trump was willing to share nuclear warhead information, what else did he share? What has he made copies of? What could he continue to share? Lock him up and conduct a thorough and extensive search of every property he owns or has visited. Look under every rock.
If this revelation, this act of betrayal, is defended by a politician, you will know everything you need to know about that person. Traitor to democracy. Traitor to America. Traitor to its citizens.
BTW, go to the digital edition of the NY Times today. The story of this betrayal of key nuclear secrets is way down the page - the 17th article. When did treason become so unimportant?
Bill,
I do not believe "all of these acts of betrayal" are only Trump's doing. There must be persons with great power and lots of money together who chose Trump as the perfect candidate to betray our country for power and position.....the most immoral person that could be found, the one with the largest ego....most self-centered.....yet with a name that called attention to personal power over everything.
He is a person very easy to be used to betray our nation on every level, for money or recognition. Inside, he is empty...only a large shell of a human being. I am sure those who are using him are laughing their way to hell as they enjoy the gain they can get out of him and his children....who are the same.
Our enemies want to destroy our freedoms. They want power to use our resources as they choose. They have studied our citizenry and found ways to use them as their puppets. "Let's just give them their guns....let's encourage them to form "brotherhoods of male righteousness!!!".... groups where they can make the rules and disobey the laws our forefathers have given us..... And then let's push the "Pro Life " agenda when they could care less about women or the condition of their womb....or their health or their safety!!! or the children that may or may not be born.
Let's not forget the flow of drugs. Addiction is an easy alternative to a false feeling of escape from an empty space in our lives......misery, pain, lack of feeling powerful...etc .
Our enemies are within and without and they know us well. Especially they know our weaknesses, which are real. I believe it is far past the time that we show them our strength!!!
Wherever we are in life, whatever our strengths and inspite of the weaknesses we have,
we must defend freedoms ....hard won by our forefathers !!!!
Enough attention to Trump!!!! This only empowers his ego!!!! He is a traitor and so are those who blindly and not so blindly follow him!!!!
Totally agree. Except when someone reveals top secrets it should be top of the news.
Then we can move on to all the positive stuff Democrats have to offer!
Thank you Bill. I am so tired of important pieces of information like this does not get more than 15 seconds on MSM, but we get hours upon hours of time given to meaningless polls and non agenda performances of the party of crazy.
When I push AOL mail, I get a screen that has a lot of little bait titles of news happenings. I would say 1/4-1/3 are about trump or the circus in Congress. Unless it says he is convicted, I don't bother reading them.
My car is my bulletin board for my politics, social beliefs. I refuse to have any anti trump stickers. I am not giving him any free advertising. BTW I do live in a fairly blue area so my car is not in danger. :)
And many other things we as human beings have to offer, as well as admitting our own mistakes, both essential for progress.
Thank you for so eloquently expressing many of the random thoughts and ideas I’ve had in my head for a while. You’ve made wonderful sense of it. I wondered if I was turning into a conspiracy theorist, but it really is a conspiracy isn’t it?
Sometimes they really are out to get you.
BitsyBelle !, This is Critical HELL , Smack !, in Our FACE ! The MAMMONITERS, The GREEDY GUTS, & the Rubbish Mankind, are SLOWLY, Being 'Gathered UP ! ' , ,,,,,, for the "INCINERATOR PROJECT " ! LORD !, Have MERCY !!
I couldn’t agree more! He should definitely have been detained in prison from day one of his first indictment. Many say that no one is above the law, but those folks don’t seem to think that applies to a former president!!! I will never understand that. Now to find out he has revealed nuclear submarine details.... what else has he shared??? I bet it’s a lot. Why did Jared receive $2B from the Saudi’s??? You guessed it, for some top secret documents given to them. Why isn’t this being investigated but Hunter Biden is!!!! SMH...
The Rioters all were detained until their trials even though they are innocent until proven guilty. Saudi? The Prince overrode the rest of the committee to give Jared the deal BUT someone else had to run it because Jared wasn't qualified.
Reason (in my opinion)? The Prince is counting on trump to win. and wants something from us. Something with the oil perhaps. I saw that trump had asked the Prince to lower production at some point (might be a good reason). Maybe they want some our weapons to fight Yemen? We do have water (at least we did before the droughts) and Saudis do have water right in AZ=LMAO
I am no expert, but it appears to me that the predators among us, the ones who use a fountain pen rather than a six gun to enforce their will, set traps for our vulnerable human ego (Latin for "I") without the encumbrance of conscience. Trump is a total malignant narcissist who sees people as objects to be manipulated. He is an opportunist. The 9/11 hijackers were fanatics; malignant narcissists who fancy themselves a arbiters of whether people are worthy to exist. Either way, the perspective is sociopathic.
The sad thing is that I think we all have some degree of potential "Mr. Hyde" in us, and those who see us as objects see that they can freely use to there own gain ir amusement, and it works. Many cultured, educated nations (probably all, to some degree) have become infected with with societal malignant narcissism; a populace that manifests both Jekyll And Hyde, as in our own case the patriot dreams that saw beyond the years coexisting with indigenous genocide, sexism and slavery. we watched cultured, educated Germany, Italy, Japan, and Spain fall to sociopathic madness, and there are many more. The pretexts for mass murder can seem as absurd as Swift's fictitious war over how to open a hard boiled egg, but it's always about ego, power, and exploitation.
And for sure Trump is as much an effect as a cause. The former "GOP" has fully become a Plutocrat Influenced Criminal Organization. The vestiges of conscience, such as Kinzinger and Cheney, have been firmly rejected.
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That’s the plan as far as I’m concerned. Get to the very bottom feeders of this insurrection. Down to dog catcher. Destroy the root.
Despots, dictators and authoritarian regimes will and always have been a threat to stable governments since the beginning of communities.
Every word in your post is truth.
I lost a few friends and family members when I posted after Trump and Putin’s meeting in Helsinki/2018 that Republicans are formally traitors if they continue to support this deranged, incompetent narcissist. No one I was close to, so I blocked other relatives who I knew were Trump supporters more for their sake than mine.
Support for an orange fake tanned, with teased extensions and hair plugs, lazy, golf cheating, coup attempting, 7th grader, who’s own parents couldn’t tolerate him and sent him off to a military (reform school) academy did nothing to discourage his antisocial behavior. Fred Trump turned his son into a useful idiot as front man to a corrupt real estate company.
I’m truly surprised Trump wasn’t investigated in the ‘80’s & 90’s for fraud. The secretive activity that protected him goes that far back. With the backing of Putin, Russian Oligarchs and corruption in our society and government through the Republican Party.
Federalist Society billionaires making money through conveniently placed loop holes in tax laws, these oligarchs seized the opportunity to guide Trump to the channels that would lead to January 6th 2021.
The person most guilty of creating great wealth for billionaires, oligarchs and tax cheats at that time was Speaker of the House, Newt Gingrich. Who, in my opinion is definitely a spoke in the wheel that should be charged with more corruption leading to an attempted coup. Next is Dick Cheney and George W Bush along with key players during both administrations of W. Of course all Republican administrations are guilty of attempting coups, the Federalist Society offered great sums of money and services for those willing to be corrupted, threats to others and their families to keep mouths shut.
Clarence and Ginni Thomas are out in the open now with their supporter/mentor Harlan Crow and the unreported gifts and taxes, giving the Americans the middle finger, “ What are you gonna do? Sue Me? Ha Ha Ha Ha! Screw all of you!” We’re not going to stop, so you can all kiss my ass!” We have no recourse? Of course we do! We need to vote for representatives in the House who are willing to do so.
And thank Goodness for journalists of every kind.
When trump was in office, I made some comment that I didn't like trump. She said well, if you don't respect the president, you don't respect your country. I said I cold still like my country and not the president. That was the last time we spoke. BTW I did try to reach out to her with a Christmas card-no respoinse.
Putin. It’s Putin. Trump was cultivated by Putin.
No doubt whatsoever, Fred Trump is responsible for cultivating his deep disrespect for rules.
And Donny’s total lack of character and decency.
It is in Donny's background. Grandpa left Germany right before WWI and wanted to return afterwards. Germany said no. Back in the states he sets up shady real estate deals (sound familiar) and had brothels. maybe this accounts for the sex thing going on trump.
And so are those who not blindly at all have chosen him as their dupe. Reminds me of Barbra in Funny Girl, "My dope was an innocent dupe; or my dupe was an innocent dope?" Only this time, not so innocent.
Wow, you said all that needed to be said regarding tffg
I think I might need to add the extra "f".
Beautifully said!
One of those people is Putin. Trump's connection to Putin through his wife's father being FSB for the Czech Republic back in the day, and in Putin's cadre establishes the connection between Putin and Trump through his marriage. I am sure Putin is doing a lot of his calculations on everything based on private information Trump has given him. We know the Saudi's got privileged information, and what about North Korea? What about Iran? What about China? Trump committed treason, but no one names it as such legally. He is a traitor to our nation and to the world!
Linda, I think that's because you have to be in a state of war to commit treason legally. Correct me if I'm wrong.
There is legal treason, and then there is the word treason and what it means. By definition of the word, Trump has committed treason. He has tried and continues to try to overthrow the government.
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/treason
Thought your previous comment was referring to legal treason.
Write to The Times and tell them. If enough readers do, they’ll change their editorial practices.
I just cancelled my very long standing subscription to NYT.
I just sent off a letter to the editor expressing my disgust at their placing this story so far down the online page.
As for those who choose to cancel subscriptions, I would say that is worse than useless. The paper won't know why the subscription has been cancelled and the former subscriber will have cut themselves off from other worthwhile articles including articles having nothing to do with current politics. Same goes for those who unsubscribe from the Washington Post. Both papers host Opinion writers.
While I consider most of the "conservative" opinion writers objectionable (and seldom read them), I consider it reasonable that a newspaper or online programs include different perspectives even when I find some of them objectionable. Without that, how different are they from the Fox News one-sided presentations?
That’s it, I’ll cancel too but will also contact them to say why. I haven’t looked for NYT email or phone number yet but if anyone has info to share, it’s most appreciated.
I sent my comments to letters@nytimes.com but I did not and will not unsubscribe. I don't believe doing so actually sends a message but do believe sending comments expressing our disagreement with their coverage of certain "news" topics.
Good point, thanks for the info.
Exactly what did trump suggest should happen to General Mark Milley for committing treason (which Milley did not commit)?
hmmmm....
He said that Milley should be executed, and Trump thinks he (himself) has the right to betray the US, cause chaos, trash the Capitol....can no one commit this man? He is so unhinged
Or how can a criminal like him be allowed to run for the presidency?? Law scholar Laurence Tribe and Judge Littig cite sec. 3 of the 14th ammendment to back up why he should not run. The argument is that voters should decide. I maintain that if a mass murderer isn't allowed to run and let the people vote, he should not be allowed either....
Though there are ~45% of Americans that believe his every word and do not care if he did all that he has been charged with they will support him to the end.. He has ignited a infinite amount of hate and loathing, a Wild West mentality that is going to be hard to stifle.
Yes, it's unbelievable what this guy has fomented and how his followers swoon under his spell. He is the embodiment of the definition of the Antichrist....
He should be tried for treason and face the death penalty.
Yes, just think of all those SECRET meetings Trump had with Putin where no Americans were allowed I. - just a Russian interpreter. Or the one time an American interpreter was allowed in but Trump took all their notes from the meeting. The CORRUPTION and TREASON is astounding and we do nothing but follis the VERY SLOW gears of Justice that will eventually allow him to never be held to account.
“If that’s all we discussed, we already know that,” said former Australian ambassador to the US. Australian sailors work on the nuclear subs with Americans and we share, yada yada. New York Times. The Guardian reports much more from the Australian side, with former prime ministers denying they were given the information. (Btw, Guardian site has no ads.)
Absolutely and entirely different contexts (re the quoted former ambassador). I'm sure that non-U.S. sailors who train on U.S. nuclear warships are cleared and required to sign agreements that they will not share what they learn. Sure, they could still talk about it inappropriately but few if any would. Ambassadors and their ilk would of course be made aware of certain classified information. The point is that tfg told a civilian who told at least 45 others (who probably passed it on to others), ensuring that the classified information becomes "common knowledge".
Yes. My thought was why the NYTIMES minimized the importance of Trump’s “sharing” and the further sharing. Almost implying no big deal if one former ambassador excuses it. Move along, nothing to see here?
I’d like to know that too. My son was an officer on a submarine during those years. We know how Trump feels about the military. Does the press feel that way too? All very sad for us and our men in uniform…And they wonder why recruitment in down.
Trump has the empathy of a Corona virus.
Bill, I agree, it should be top of the news in every newspaper, TV news or digital news. He should be in custody. What in the world is going on???
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Those 16 previous articles must have all have been extraordinarily explosive (as a opposed to merely nuclear).
READ HIM HIS RIGHTS and take him into custody.
Rights granted by a Constitution he abuses daily.
Traitor. Treason. Trump. How can the facts be more clear? Jan. 6 and now this.
My thoughts exactly Richard. Shared with a businessman who then shared them far and wide. And as Bill asks below what else did he share is still sharing. And yes, every one who defends him is also a traitor.
Michele, and further to your point, what about the 2 hour private meeting with Putin in Helsinki where Trump confiscated the interpreter's notes and told her to say nothing about what was discussed? I have zero doubt that Trump gave Putin state secrets and received marching orders from Putin. I feel certain that Putin has been blackmailing Trump with something, probably photos of him naked with young females in Moscow hotel rooms.
I agree Richard. however he doesn’t need to be blackmailed to cooperate with Putin. He loves that monster. Loves autocrats and dictators and wants to be one!
I am sure you are correct. This is like giving the fox the keys to the henhouse....only it is egregious treason. Not insurrection, not sedition, but treason, plain and simple. And I also agree with Kitsy below, death star loves dictators, all of them. Somewhere I read and so i can't verify that Putin and the Russians had their eyes on death star for a long time. Let's see...how can we destroy the US without firing a shot.
https://gregolear.substack.com/p/tinker-tailor-mobster-trump
The day after the debacle, Milley wrote a message to the joint force reminding every member that they swore an oath to the Constitution. “This document is founded on the essential principle that all men and women are born free and equal, and should be treated with respect and dignity. It also gives Americans the right to freedom of speech and peaceful assembly…. As members of the Joint Force—comprised of all races, colors, and creeds—you embody the ideals of our Constitution,” he wrote. “We all committed our lives to the idea that is America,” he wrote by hand on the memo. “We will stay true to that oath and the American people.”
“You see, we in uniform are unique…among the world's armies. We are unique among the world’s militaries. We don’t take an oath to a country. We don’t take an oath to a tribe. We don’t take an oath to a religion. We don’t take an oath to a king or a queen or to a tyrant or a dictator. And we don’t take an oath to a wannabe dictator. We don’t take an oath to an individual. "
“We take an oath to the Constitution, and we take an oath to the idea that is America, and we’re willing to die to protect it.…"
https://heathercoxrichardson.substack.com/p/october-1-2023
His defense is now as it always has been anarchy because he can't be bound by those pesky laws and the Constitution.
“Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.”— Frank Wilhoit
Every word here is truth. Thank you.
But seriously, The Beast's goal since 2016 is to make himself dictator. Every action he's taken as been aimed at that end. It's super clear. The fact that our government isn't able to put him behind bars immediately is an indictment of our system, actually. It presupposes a population of non-beasts.
The Speaker of the House. 2 steps from President. Would Trump accept the position? In a heartbeat. Seeing how easy it was to take Prigozhin out, all Queens Man would need is a couple dupes in our Security State to blow up themselves, along with a president and a veep, and Viola!
I presume you did not read it here first – it's as old as this idiotic nation – but no longer a purely speculative point to ponder. Not with this guy.
JL, TFG believes, like Nixon, that a president can do anything. “Well, when the President does it, that means that it is not illegal." And, with TFG, it’s all about impressing the top people: the biggest inaugural crowd, the biggest penthouse, the most beautiful woman on his arm, the most knowledge about state secrets…
His toadies believe that he will protect them and share the wealth until he throws them under the bus and stiffs them.
It was a mistake for Ford to pardon Nixon, setting up the idea that, if a Republican president does wrong, the next Republican president will pardon him. The rot has been there for a long time.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/politics/1977/06/05/president-isnt-above-the-law-nixon-insists/71923838-492f-49d7-921f-0add6743501e/
"It was a mistake for Ford to pardon Nixon, setting up the idea that, if a Republican president does wrong, the next Republican president will pardon him. The rot has been there for a long time."
That was clearly a betrayal and a terrible precedent on the day it was announced. What to do about Nixon was debatable, but the preemptory "pardon" (how is that even considered legal?) corruptly misapplied the law to halt due process of law for political reasons. I'm not sure it was causal, but I think it helped psychologically inure the public for the rash of transparent political abuses of law that have followed. Certainly Trump has demonstrated how corrupt the anachronistic arbitrary power of pardon can be. Some years ago a majority of SCOTUS decided that the condemned must be executed by the state even if irrefutable evidence of his or her innocence appears after appeals. The court cited executive pardon as the accused sole remedy. We have something close to such a case right now: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/oct/02/texas-robert-roberson-death-penalty-supreme-court-appeal-denied .
Some years ago a person imprisoned for a serious non-capital crime (I don't recall the details) was demonstrated to be innocent, but the governor, who had happened to be the person who prosecuted the case, flatly refused the pardon. Perfectly legal. It's a matter of whim.
I think there is an important place for pardon where changing perspectives show some sort of error (such as absurd sentences for marijuana use, now legalized in many states) but ANY significant unaccountable governmental power is especially vulnerable to abuse.
Yes, that would redefine the president as an autocrat. Perhaps the Odious Beast is really an originalist and is going waaaay back to the 18th century and agreeing with that camp that wanted a king, not a dictator.
Sooooo vveeerrryyyy sick of him--can’t even say his name🤬
If this particular lawbreaker had his rights read to him, and was taken into custody, is the nation prepared to deal with a violent reaction on the part of his supporters? I don't think so. As for the requested delays in Trump's lititgation, it should be clear that they want justice to be postponed until after his death.
I think we ARE prepared for a violent reaction from his supporters, actually.
First - his calls for violence - and his calls for protesters at the sites of his court appearances - have been met with - meh.. 25 protesters in NYC. The groups are still out there but they're seeing long prison sentences for some Jan. 6 insurrectionists and they're also afraid that FBI informants are pretending to be members of the hard right groups.
I do believe his followers would be furious and might act on it - but can't we be prepared for that? We have ways to contain violence we know is coming.
And if we're afraid of violence, why do we keep letting him stir it up?
I believe his followers would be furious, would stop voting, and would complain to the high heavens. Ok, they're entitled to do that. They might keep going to rallies held by other people, until they weren't fun anymore. They might keep showing their MAGA signs and wearing their MAGA hats. Ok, not a problem.
I'm just not seeing some big civil war coming out of holding him fully accountable.
And if we won't do this when it's called for - who are we, really? Just full of sound and fury and afraid to do the right thing because it might be a problem?
JFK had the balls to sign a civil rights law that he knew would infuriate southerners, and he was right to do so. And there wasn't a civil war.
When we become afraid to bring criminals to justice, the criminals have won. That's how the Mafia became so powerful. That and graft.
Susan I agree 💯
I don't see a 'big civil war' coming out of holding him accountable, but many minor incidents by supporters, armed by the SCOTUS' misinterpretation of the Second Amendment in 2008.
We're there now. CW 1.5.
I hear you, they threaten violence, but will that happen? Will we let these crazies get by with anything to avoid possible violence?
How many cosplaytriots just like posing with weapons?
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How do yall deal with cosplaytriots?
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I moved from Norfolk to the midwest. I live in the small town my husband grew up in. I have some real issues with fake marines/army dudes. They dress up and know some of the talk but when I ask about their experiences - not war stories, I'm not an a**hole - their stories start falling apart and then usually get down to a relative of theirs served.
They wear some of the damndest shit you ever saw. The village president wears a high n tight like a marine would and said to my face when I asked him about being military that he dresses like a marine because people respect him for it but it's his son that serves. He's not as bad as the sons of the legion who show up looking like and acting like Nam vets. I wouldn't care about the sons at the legion meeting because legions are dying off, but wtf, seriously, some asshat gets to talk down to me, out of the 2 of us, I'm the real fucking vet. I hate these midwest fucks.
I'd let it go and let them play their games but it's downright disrespectful to all us who actually served. Honestly the next person who calls themselves a vet, I wanna see a dd214. How do yall deal with these fucktards?
Point, and who knows. fyi - first time I've heard cosplaytroits - had to look it up. Thanks for the education
Yes, we can make respectable educated guesses about the future so long as we expect the unexpected.
That is the Neville Chamberlain approach. Appeasement doesn't work. Yes, the nation will face tumult from his followers. But it can't be helped. They certainly aren't amenable to reason. So follow the law, enforce the law, and endure the short term pain.
Occasionally, a side must be chosen, or it will be chosen for you. This is certainly one of those times.
I've made a cartoon with precisely that thought.
Jack, it’s the only way. We would have to deal with the consequences. Should we not be a lawful country?
I think it got this bad because we didn't want to hold them accountable for creepy stuff and deal with tantrums.
Or can scour the legal system of honest men and women.
Maybe, just maybe, the revelation that Trump disclosed secrets about our nuclear submarines will wake up people to the fact that a traitorous ex-president could take office again.
And wake them up to the fact that his Republican lapdogs in the House are a threat to the nation merely for their undying blind devotion to Trump.
And maybe wake up many in the media that they're aiding and abetting enemies of democracy via their timid and weak don't-rock-the boat faux journalism.
Michael, it is not being broadcast across the news. His cult is not even aware…
I don't know about the broadcast news but it is being covered on CNN and MSNBC.
And the cult may continue to cover their ears, but the disengaged need to take a harder look at what is happening.
What's that sound...?
Autocrat sums it up. Well we could add on a horse's ass. But that's offensive to horses. Blowhard. I believe there are still this who respect constitutional principles, although it can be very hard to tell at times. But there is a new, exciting level of consciousness that's emerging with Gen Z. I'm eager to see how the next elections go. The Zs have sworn they will be voting in large numbers. I have my eyes on two very interesting young people. Cuban American Mark Frost, youngest member of Congress, backed by the Obamas. Mark works as an uber driver to pay for college degree. He's been on several of the morning shows. Articulate and dedicated. Then there is young Dem representative in the TX house. African american, female, a Rhodes Scholar, They are not only the new blood, they are the heart, the soul and the passion of America's future. Coherent and dedicated. They take my breath away..blew the blues right out the door! Google them, get a hit on what's cooking. Support if you can. Step out of the shadows and be warmed by their fire, inspired by their smarts and their dedication. They are the faces of America's future.
Isn't the president of the country an employee of the citizens? Like any employee, if the rules aren't followed you don't keep the job.
Where have you been? On Mars? TFFG hasn't followed even one "rule". How about the GOP? They are doing nothing for their "employers". Watch them chose their next "speaker". Ironic how many common words not require quotes.....
Including "Republican". That said, I think many of us have been lulled into forgetting who and what we are, and what out duties have been all along. They told me on public school that Lincoln had nailed it:
"that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth. "
we each had to recite it from memory before the class, as well as the Preamble to the Constitution, and while I often had a low opinion of memorization work, I sensed to both were worth remembering (which I imperfectly still do). So the abiding question is "If these particular principles are so fertile, what happens if you take them seriously?". The Declaration of Independence as well, which we learned to remember part of. What if we held those"yardsticks" up to everything our society and government was, is and gets to be? What if we triaged everything now in place against those standards? Looks to me like we are collectively The Boss" which means we have a collective job to do. Lying to or cheating "The boss" gets you fired in any organization. Everybody has universal, unalienable human rights, and a duty to observe them, for all. Everyone offered protection by law, theoretically equally. Everyone has a guaranteed right to vote, and have that vote counted fairly.
In many ways, are being taken for a ride, and not, I think, where we want to go. The "tail is wagging the dog".
Shooting a person on 5th Avenue is only murder; isn't treason worse?
Why is he still free to continue to corrupt the country?
I am scared to death of TFFG. Russia will dump billions into his re-election.
Why isn’t Trump arrested and jailed pending trial for giving away critical national secrets? He should not be allowed out on bail. He is a danger to society because of the ongoing risk that he will give away other critical national secrets.
How did he get these boxes of documents? The National archives asleep at the wheel? Nothing that that says classified should go out the office. They should never be declassified by thinking it or otherwise. Even if the information is "old" it still could have some value to an enemy.
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