I'm realy finding Liz Cheney's actions to be remarkable. When a person like her has a "road to Tarsus" moment as she had, and then steps up and acts on what she knows and believes, regardless of personal cost, it's really quite something. I know I could disagree with her on many things, but on the Important Things, I respect her.
I'm realy finding Liz Cheney's actions to be remarkable. When a person like her has a "road to Tarsus" moment as she had, and then steps up and acts on what she knows and believes, regardless of personal cost, it's really quite something. I know I could disagree with her on many things, but on the Important Things, I respect her.
hear, hear! I'd much prefer seeing a principled conservative in office than the crop of double-speaking change-up artists on our current ballots; those whose websites have to be purged and re-written between the primary and the general election seasons. There's room in the political side of the government for people across the range of opinion, provided they are willing to debate and negotiate in good faith and come to agreements that are acceptable to the broad majority of the electorate. Issue by issue, there are majorities. Even on issues where there are large blocs of voters in opposition to one another, there are still places where agreement can be found. It's hard work (remember the "making sausage" idea) that has to occur in the halls of legislatures. It calls for thoughtful, hard-working individuals, not party-line sheep.
Nathan, in today’s political landscape “principled conservative” is an oxymoron. Voters are not SO stupid as to believe the “Change-up artists on our current ballots…..” when they have been trumpeting (no pun) their hateful anti-choice rhetoric for years!
It's quite possible to hold very personal views on that particular issue and still work with others of polar opposite opinions and find places to compromise and work together. Do you remember Bill Clinton's iconic quote? "Abortion should be safe, legal and rare". Who would argue that abortion is a preferable form of birth control? How many women would equate a trip to an abortion clinic with a visit to the dentist? My personal views are not the issue here. I don't agree with Liz Cheney on the majority of things she has voted on, but she has contributed more to the integrity of the House of Representatives than many less principled peers.
Nathan, Bill Clinton said a lot of things - this was not his most insightful. Please listen to the women. American men do not have the Supreme Court and Congress standing between them and their health provider. And from where do those structures receive their power ? From us ! For women, only since 1919 but we are not slow learners and we are not going back to being chattel.
"oxymoron". Yes! To oppose climate change mitigation measures is the crime of the century. Yet just about every conservative is on board with that attitude. "Principled" indeed.
While I agree, I also find it sad that simply doing the right thing is now remarkable. We have to guard against normalizing bad behavior and being surprised by good behavior.
When I think about Trump on the stage on Jan. 6th, instead of his egging on armed and angry people, I imagine a rational president in that situation, alarmed, or at least troubled, by the weaponry and imagery, and talking more about principled things, steering people away from their warlike posturing. Then I am kind of shocked by the discrepancy between what normal looks like and how Trump behaved. It's an important exercise: to actually visualize what normal would look like in order to remind us how far off track we've gotten.
Visualize no more! We have such a President right at this very moment--President Joe Biden. Why do the media and Americans keep overlooking this fact? We have normal right now sitting and working in the White House. We have got to break the addiction of mental ruminations of trump.
Absolutely agreed! Problem is that the media has made and still makes too much money off of Trump, in both for and anti directions. They are perpetuating their own interests.
The good things Joe and the administration do not make great clickbait. All I see is poll numbers and what death star and his minions are doing. And of course, inflation, which is this country, is lower than other places. We have been turning off the news more and more. Last night we were enjoying a meal in the new larger digs of our local black owned restaurant which has been subject to vandalism and bad reviews, by the usual suspects. The place was packed. Also we hear all sorts of bad news about downtown Salem, and it was also busy.
We also have got to break the norm of making mincemeat out of our elected representatives, all the way to the White House. A close acquaintance who just started college is choosing to major in Political Science. He's an astute, sensitive young man with great potential but, his interest in possibly going into politics was met with a scornful "Why would you want to do THAT?"
Good for him, I say. I remember the day that I thought I should have gone into politics, but the arts had always called louder, so I thought I was too old
I think about a favorite (of many!) scenes in my all time favorite movie, "It's A Wonderful Life" when George Bailey (Jimmy Stewart) is on his way to his honeymoon when he spots runs on the bank and goes back to his business. He talks the people down with logic and passion. We Democrats have the logic, I only see true passion in the more radical aspects of the party while it is everywhere in the MAGAs. Perhaps it is there and the media just doesn't cover it.
I am trying to channel my own passion into my letters to voters. Simple and to the point, I write my reason for voting:
"My vote is my voice, I WANT TO BE HEARD! YOU deserve to be heard, too. Please vote"
We have TODAY left, folks! Perhaps even tomorrow if you write early in the morning as tomorrow is the mail date for the letters to voters to be sent. It is really easy to do!
Any of those close races you are reading about in the news that might make you anxious? You can request addresses for that state and send your letters there.
Another point: it isn't too late, the letters to voters targets the infrequent, often indifferent or disenfranchised voters. The letter will arrive right when voting has started. YOUR letter that you write might be the impetus to get that potential Democratic voter to go vote.
Proof that the world is upside down. Never hurts to shake up an old dyed in the wool Dem like me. She has withstood the trial by fire, unlike the “stalwarts” like Romney, a weak force by any measure.
I had a supervisor I didn’t initially care for regarding his policy edicts, but came to respect him because, although he was tough, he was fair and consistent
When the playing field is fair consistent, its a workable situation. I believe Cheney brings that to the table
The math doesn't lie — and neither do Cheney’s actions on the ground in recent months.'
'JACKSON, Wyo. — In 2007, in this blue bastion of one of the reddest states in the country, liberal activists wheeled a giant statue of Dick Cheney through town to protest his star role in the Iraq War — before toppling it, Saddam Hussein style, for good measure.'
'Fifteen years later, his daughter Rep. Liz Cheney (R-Wyo.) is turning to the same rare species in Wyoming — Democrats — to save her House seat. And Trumpist Republicans are doing everything in their power to thwart her.'
'The turnabout for Cheney — one of the more unlikely twists in Republican politics in recent years, in a party that’s had no shortage of them — will come into sharp relief next week at a gathering at Jackson’s Center for the Arts. Cheney will speak on a bipartisan panel about defending elections, addressing what should be a welcoming audience amid her running battle with former President Donald Trump over the Jan. 6 sacking of the Capitol.'
'What Cheney doesn’t know — until now — is that a band of Trump-loving Republicans will be on hand to greet her. They snapped up roughly a quarter of the 350 tickets, at $10 apiece, to give the embattled congresswoman a piece of their minds.'
“I was here when the … Democrats dragged her father’s effigy down a village road behind a truck at one of their rallies, and those are the people who are supporting her now, that she’s embraced,” an angry Rebecca Cloetta, 66, said over breakfast at a greasy spoon called the Virginian.'
“Can you believe it? Charging for a ticket! It’s a slap in the face,” said Rebecca Bextel, 41, another Trump-backing Republican planning to attend the voting event. “We have one person representing us” — Wyoming has a single House member — “and she shows up in town and it costs $10 to see her. It’s embarrassing.'
'Just as obvious is that Cheney needs Democrats and independents to change their party registration and cast their vote for her in the Aug. 16 primary. Her campaign is loath to talk strategy publicly, but the math doesn’t lie — and neither do Cheney’s actions on the ground here in recent months.'
'She has shunned town halls and other voter forums in Wyoming’s overwhelmingly red counties in favor of controlled events. At the March 22 event, which is being hosted by Issue One, a bipartisan organization that advocates for “sweeping reforms to fix our broken political system,” Cheney will answer pre-selected questions.'
'When Cheney was censured by the state Republican Party in February 2021, three of the eight votes against the move were by officials from Teton County, which encompasses Jackson. The dissenters included Mary Martin, now the county’s GOP chair.'
'Since then, however, Martin has soured on Cheney. She said the congresswoman is rarely in the state, despite having been urged to explain why she voted to impeach Trump.'
“She was absolutely invited to come and present what her facts were, to defend why you are doing this and instead she opted to call the Republicans radicals, which has made people upset within the party,” Martin said from the Jackson mansion of Nancy Donovan, a prominent Republican donor in Wyoming.'
“She’s not in the state, she has not been anywhere, maybe one or two places,” Donovan echoed. “She doesn’t show up … she’s very entitled. Her parents have events at their house, I’ve spent money to go to her house to fund her. … I truly will never vote for her again.” Donovan and Bextel are both members of Hageman’s grassroots leadership team.'
True. It is also true that within the last two years, Liz Cheney publicly on video accused Democrats of literally killing babies. She voted against voting rights and celebrated the slashing of reproductive rights. Too many people don’t know that. It might matter a lot in a few years that we remember both sides of who she is.
Thank you, Joan. It is crucial to remember. Liz Cheney, possibly polarized within? She is serving Democracy now. That cannot be put aside.
Liz Cheney released the following statement on the introduction of the Born-Alive Abortion Survivors Protection Act.
“It’s our moral obligation to do everything we can to protect the sanctity of life. We must fight every day for the most vulnerable among us, which is why I joined my Republican colleagues in the House to introduce the Born-Alive Abortion Survivors Protection Act. This is common sense legislation that protects the life of innocent babies and their mothers.'
“In recent weeks, we have seen Democrats introduce legislation across the country that enables the killing of babies. These far-left, extreme policies are evil and Democrat leaders in the House have remained silent while members of their party, including the Governor of Virginia, have advocated for what can only be described as the murder of innocent babies. We cannot allow the radical wing of the Democratic Party to turn our maternity wards into killing fields.' (LizCheney) See link below.
Remember Us: The Holocaust Bnai Mitzvah Project offers an invitation to children preparing for bar/bat mitzvah to connect with the memory of children lost in the Holocaust before they could be called to the Torah.
Well - it's the old conundrum - don't let the perfect stop the good. Let's use her best power to get rid of the orcs, and then we can discuss the next moves.
Give her time. Maybe one of her three daughters will need an abortion or explain to her mother that she’s already had one and Liz will have an Epiphany. That’s how this usually works.
William, it's about her ultra-rich, geographical political philosophy. Will she care if her daughter has an abortion as long as it's safe, under good medical care and a family secret? She and her father and the state of Wyoming are wed to fossil fuels... she'd have to move to Massachusetts to be a Democrat. I'm laughing are you?
I read this online and use it for those on the fence between candidates: “You’re not looking for a marriage. You’re looking for the bus that will get you closest to where you want to go.” Maybe we do this with those like Liz Cheney.
With at least one very big exception. I believe that Liz shares the belief that government action on climate change should not be a thing. She might come around on that (Romney has apparently judging from some of the opinion pieces he has put out of late). It is climate change that forms my feelings on the Republican party - and that is that it is the most dangerous movement the human race has to contend with right now. Because of its denialism of such an existential threat, and its ability to influence the entire world's actions.
Liz is playing the roll that Republicans as a political party used to play, while neither side has a monopoly on all the right answers to our problems, the one thing that has to be a given is, that both parties truly want to better the lives of all Americans, when those conditions are met progress is possible. If the Republican Party is going to have a future Liz Cheney is a classic example of someone that Democrats will want to have as loyal opposition, the key word here is “loyal”. I don’t have to agree with her to admire her courage in standing up to the fascist’s that have taken over the GOP. I would have no problem shaking her hand or sitting down to dinner with her, I respect her integrity which isn’t something I can say about the majority of elected republicans.
My fervent wish of the past several years that a ticket for higher office would be a Dem and Republican on same ticket or endorsement of candidates by opposite party is finally showing some traction. What got us here is deplorable but sometimes change demands extreme consideration.
I find it an effective road to pulling our country back to a moderate space and telling extremism to go fuck itself along with self serving extremists determined to destroy democracy. More importantly, uniting our country’s people under a banner of respect, care for all, equity and equality, and some dang common sense. Screw parties and the excruciating divisive fighting.
Yes. And, notice, the bi-partisan endorsement outreach in HCR's examples is done by women--Liz and Elissa, Lisa and Mary. If the bi-partisanship impulse can grow, there is hope there!
Yes, I agree. She has totally surprised me in a very good way. She has put country over party more than one time now and at great personal expense. I find it refreshing and a source of hope in these rather bleak days. Brava Liz!
TC, I found two locations of Tarsus. Now, could you help with the "road to Tarsus", please?
Tarsus is an ancient city on the alluvial plain of ancient Cilicia, the birthplace of St. Paul (Acts of the Apostles 22:3). I'm a New Testament dummy but wondering if the road to Tarsus is one that Paul took. 'A major road lead to the north where the famous mountain pass known as the “Cilician Gates” lay less than 29 miles inland. Sir William Ramsey described the pass as “one of the most famous and important passes in history.”
TC, could you have been thinking of the Bible story of Paul's road to Damascus conversion?
Tarsus is a historic city in south-central Turkey, 20 km inland from the Mediterranean. It is part of the Adana-Mersin metropolitan area, the fourth-largest metropolitan area in Turkey …' (Wikipedia)
I do believe TC was referring to the Road to Damascus conversion of Saul/Paul. Don't want to speak for him, but your post re: Damascus immediately sprang to my mind as well.
Michael, I don't have a position with reference to TC's comment, whether he was making a dramatic point and or a religious one. My thought is that TC doesn't usually make religious points. I am curious to hear from TC only because he pricked my interest with the 'road to Tarsus. Just curious. I like hearing from the person himself. Your question and mine are intended for TC.
I'm realy finding Liz Cheney's actions to be remarkable. When a person like her has a "road to Tarsus" moment as she had, and then steps up and acts on what she knows and believes, regardless of personal cost, it's really quite something. I know I could disagree with her on many things, but on the Important Things, I respect her.
hear, hear! I'd much prefer seeing a principled conservative in office than the crop of double-speaking change-up artists on our current ballots; those whose websites have to be purged and re-written between the primary and the general election seasons. There's room in the political side of the government for people across the range of opinion, provided they are willing to debate and negotiate in good faith and come to agreements that are acceptable to the broad majority of the electorate. Issue by issue, there are majorities. Even on issues where there are large blocs of voters in opposition to one another, there are still places where agreement can be found. It's hard work (remember the "making sausage" idea) that has to occur in the halls of legislatures. It calls for thoughtful, hard-working individuals, not party-line sheep.
Nathan, in today’s political landscape “principled conservative” is an oxymoron. Voters are not SO stupid as to believe the “Change-up artists on our current ballots…..” when they have been trumpeting (no pun) their hateful anti-choice rhetoric for years!
It's quite possible to hold very personal views on that particular issue and still work with others of polar opposite opinions and find places to compromise and work together. Do you remember Bill Clinton's iconic quote? "Abortion should be safe, legal and rare". Who would argue that abortion is a preferable form of birth control? How many women would equate a trip to an abortion clinic with a visit to the dentist? My personal views are not the issue here. I don't agree with Liz Cheney on the majority of things she has voted on, but she has contributed more to the integrity of the House of Representatives than many less principled peers.
Nathan, Bill Clinton said a lot of things - this was not his most insightful. Please listen to the women. American men do not have the Supreme Court and Congress standing between them and their health provider. And from where do those structures receive their power ? From us ! For women, only since 1919 but we are not slow learners and we are not going back to being chattel.
I am afraid the right to decide is up to no one but the individual woman, her physician and her family, or not.
I agree. But Bill’s point is a good one.
"oxymoron". Yes! To oppose climate change mitigation measures is the crime of the century. Yet just about every conservative is on board with that attitude. "Principled" indeed.
While I agree, I also find it sad that simply doing the right thing is now remarkable. We have to guard against normalizing bad behavior and being surprised by good behavior.
When I think about Trump on the stage on Jan. 6th, instead of his egging on armed and angry people, I imagine a rational president in that situation, alarmed, or at least troubled, by the weaponry and imagery, and talking more about principled things, steering people away from their warlike posturing. Then I am kind of shocked by the discrepancy between what normal looks like and how Trump behaved. It's an important exercise: to actually visualize what normal would look like in order to remind us how far off track we've gotten.
Visualize no more! We have such a President right at this very moment--President Joe Biden. Why do the media and Americans keep overlooking this fact? We have normal right now sitting and working in the White House. We have got to break the addiction of mental ruminations of trump.
"We have got to break the addiction of mental ruminations of trump." Yes Barbara, YES! Enough already.
Absolutely agreed! Problem is that the media has made and still makes too much money off of Trump, in both for and anti directions. They are perpetuating their own interests.
The good things Joe and the administration do not make great clickbait. All I see is poll numbers and what death star and his minions are doing. And of course, inflation, which is this country, is lower than other places. We have been turning off the news more and more. Last night we were enjoying a meal in the new larger digs of our local black owned restaurant which has been subject to vandalism and bad reviews, by the usual suspects. The place was packed. Also we hear all sorts of bad news about downtown Salem, and it was also busy.
We also have got to break the norm of making mincemeat out of our elected representatives, all the way to the White House. A close acquaintance who just started college is choosing to major in Political Science. He's an astute, sensitive young man with great potential but, his interest in possibly going into politics was met with a scornful "Why would you want to do THAT?"
Good for him, I say. I remember the day that I thought I should have gone into politics, but the arts had always called louder, so I thought I was too old
(40).
I think about a favorite (of many!) scenes in my all time favorite movie, "It's A Wonderful Life" when George Bailey (Jimmy Stewart) is on his way to his honeymoon when he spots runs on the bank and goes back to his business. He talks the people down with logic and passion. We Democrats have the logic, I only see true passion in the more radical aspects of the party while it is everywhere in the MAGAs. Perhaps it is there and the media just doesn't cover it.
I am trying to channel my own passion into my letters to voters. Simple and to the point, I write my reason for voting:
"My vote is my voice, I WANT TO BE HEARD! YOU deserve to be heard, too. Please vote"
We have TODAY left, folks! Perhaps even tomorrow if you write early in the morning as tomorrow is the mail date for the letters to voters to be sent. It is really easy to do!
Any of those close races you are reading about in the news that might make you anxious? You can request addresses for that state and send your letters there.
PLEASE CONSIDER!
www.votefwd.org
Another point: it isn't too late, the letters to voters targets the infrequent, often indifferent or disenfranchised voters. The letter will arrive right when voting has started. YOUR letter that you write might be the impetus to get that potential Democratic voter to go vote.
Good and bad are very subjective ideas. Ethical, Equal, and Just are more my choice
Proof that the world is upside down. Never hurts to shake up an old dyed in the wool Dem like me. She has withstood the trial by fire, unlike the “stalwarts” like Romney, a weak force by any measure.
I had a supervisor I didn’t initially care for regarding his policy edicts, but came to respect him because, although he was tough, he was fair and consistent
When the playing field is fair consistent, its a workable situation. I believe Cheney brings that to the table
'Liz Cheney turns to Democrats to save her hide
The math doesn't lie — and neither do Cheney’s actions on the ground in recent months.'
'JACKSON, Wyo. — In 2007, in this blue bastion of one of the reddest states in the country, liberal activists wheeled a giant statue of Dick Cheney through town to protest his star role in the Iraq War — before toppling it, Saddam Hussein style, for good measure.'
'Fifteen years later, his daughter Rep. Liz Cheney (R-Wyo.) is turning to the same rare species in Wyoming — Democrats — to save her House seat. And Trumpist Republicans are doing everything in their power to thwart her.'
'The turnabout for Cheney — one of the more unlikely twists in Republican politics in recent years, in a party that’s had no shortage of them — will come into sharp relief next week at a gathering at Jackson’s Center for the Arts. Cheney will speak on a bipartisan panel about defending elections, addressing what should be a welcoming audience amid her running battle with former President Donald Trump over the Jan. 6 sacking of the Capitol.'
'What Cheney doesn’t know — until now — is that a band of Trump-loving Republicans will be on hand to greet her. They snapped up roughly a quarter of the 350 tickets, at $10 apiece, to give the embattled congresswoman a piece of their minds.'
“I was here when the … Democrats dragged her father’s effigy down a village road behind a truck at one of their rallies, and those are the people who are supporting her now, that she’s embraced,” an angry Rebecca Cloetta, 66, said over breakfast at a greasy spoon called the Virginian.'
“Can you believe it? Charging for a ticket! It’s a slap in the face,” said Rebecca Bextel, 41, another Trump-backing Republican planning to attend the voting event. “We have one person representing us” — Wyoming has a single House member — “and she shows up in town and it costs $10 to see her. It’s embarrassing.'
'Just as obvious is that Cheney needs Democrats and independents to change their party registration and cast their vote for her in the Aug. 16 primary. Her campaign is loath to talk strategy publicly, but the math doesn’t lie — and neither do Cheney’s actions on the ground here in recent months.'
'She has shunned town halls and other voter forums in Wyoming’s overwhelmingly red counties in favor of controlled events. At the March 22 event, which is being hosted by Issue One, a bipartisan organization that advocates for “sweeping reforms to fix our broken political system,” Cheney will answer pre-selected questions.'
'When Cheney was censured by the state Republican Party in February 2021, three of the eight votes against the move were by officials from Teton County, which encompasses Jackson. The dissenters included Mary Martin, now the county’s GOP chair.'
'Since then, however, Martin has soured on Cheney. She said the congresswoman is rarely in the state, despite having been urged to explain why she voted to impeach Trump.'
“She was absolutely invited to come and present what her facts were, to defend why you are doing this and instead she opted to call the Republicans radicals, which has made people upset within the party,” Martin said from the Jackson mansion of Nancy Donovan, a prominent Republican donor in Wyoming.'
“She’s not in the state, she has not been anywhere, maybe one or two places,” Donovan echoed. “She doesn’t show up … she’s very entitled. Her parents have events at their house, I’ve spent money to go to her house to fund her. … I truly will never vote for her again.” Donovan and Bextel are both members of Hageman’s grassroots leadership team.'
https://www.politico.com/news/2022/03/14/liz-cheney-democrats-wyoming-00016905
True. It is also true that within the last two years, Liz Cheney publicly on video accused Democrats of literally killing babies. She voted against voting rights and celebrated the slashing of reproductive rights. Too many people don’t know that. It might matter a lot in a few years that we remember both sides of who she is.
Thank you, Joan. It is crucial to remember. Liz Cheney, possibly polarized within? She is serving Democracy now. That cannot be put aside.
Liz Cheney released the following statement on the introduction of the Born-Alive Abortion Survivors Protection Act.
“It’s our moral obligation to do everything we can to protect the sanctity of life. We must fight every day for the most vulnerable among us, which is why I joined my Republican colleagues in the House to introduce the Born-Alive Abortion Survivors Protection Act. This is common sense legislation that protects the life of innocent babies and their mothers.'
“In recent weeks, we have seen Democrats introduce legislation across the country that enables the killing of babies. These far-left, extreme policies are evil and Democrat leaders in the House have remained silent while members of their party, including the Governor of Virginia, have advocated for what can only be described as the murder of innocent babies. We cannot allow the radical wing of the Democratic Party to turn our maternity wards into killing fields.' (LizCheney) See link below.
https://cheney.house.gov/2019/02/06/cheney-its-our-moral-obligation-to-do-everything-we-can-to-protect-the-sanctity-of-life/
Remember Us: The Holocaust Bnai Mitzvah Project offers an invitation to children preparing for bar/bat mitzvah to connect with the memory of children lost in the Holocaust before they could be called to the Torah.
http://www.remember-us.org/
I do. I am very cynical of her now 'profile in courage'.
She is not pro choice for one....
Well - it's the old conundrum - don't let the perfect stop the good. Let's use her best power to get rid of the orcs, and then we can discuss the next moves.
Give her time. Maybe one of her three daughters will need an abortion or explain to her mother that she’s already had one and Liz will have an Epiphany. That’s how this usually works.
That’s exactly what happened with SSM. Liz reconciled with her sister and on TV said, “I was wrong.”
Good for you, William! 😃
William, it's about her ultra-rich, geographical political philosophy. Will she care if her daughter has an abortion as long as it's safe, under good medical care and a family secret? She and her father and the state of Wyoming are wed to fossil fuels... she'd have to move to Massachusetts to be a Democrat. I'm laughing are you?
I read this online and use it for those on the fence between candidates: “You’re not looking for a marriage. You’re looking for the bus that will get you closest to where you want to go.” Maybe we do this with those like Liz Cheney.
I read that in 2016 over on Stonekettle Station. So appropriate, both then and now. Bernie Bros did not listen, and we got TFG.
Re-read my comment, please.
With at least one very big exception. I believe that Liz shares the belief that government action on climate change should not be a thing. She might come around on that (Romney has apparently judging from some of the opinion pieces he has put out of late). It is climate change that forms my feelings on the Republican party - and that is that it is the most dangerous movement the human race has to contend with right now. Because of its denialism of such an existential threat, and its ability to influence the entire world's actions.
Liz is playing the roll that Republicans as a political party used to play, while neither side has a monopoly on all the right answers to our problems, the one thing that has to be a given is, that both parties truly want to better the lives of all Americans, when those conditions are met progress is possible. If the Republican Party is going to have a future Liz Cheney is a classic example of someone that Democrats will want to have as loyal opposition, the key word here is “loyal”. I don’t have to agree with her to admire her courage in standing up to the fascist’s that have taken over the GOP. I would have no problem shaking her hand or sitting down to dinner with her, I respect her integrity which isn’t something I can say about the majority of elected republicans.
My fervent wish of the past several years that a ticket for higher office would be a Dem and Republican on same ticket or endorsement of candidates by opposite party is finally showing some traction. What got us here is deplorable but sometimes change demands extreme consideration.
I find it an effective road to pulling our country back to a moderate space and telling extremism to go fuck itself along with self serving extremists determined to destroy democracy. More importantly, uniting our country’s people under a banner of respect, care for all, equity and equality, and some dang common sense. Screw parties and the excruciating divisive fighting.
We the People. All of us this time.
Salud, TC, and thank you, brother.
Unita. 🗽
Yes. And, notice, the bi-partisan endorsement outreach in HCR's examples is done by women--Liz and Elissa, Lisa and Mary. If the bi-partisanship impulse can grow, there is hope there!
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Yes, I agree. She has totally surprised me in a very good way. She has put country over party more than one time now and at great personal expense. I find it refreshing and a source of hope in these rather bleak days. Brava Liz!
TC, I found two locations of Tarsus. Now, could you help with the "road to Tarsus", please?
Tarsus is an ancient city on the alluvial plain of ancient Cilicia, the birthplace of St. Paul (Acts of the Apostles 22:3). I'm a New Testament dummy but wondering if the road to Tarsus is one that Paul took. 'A major road lead to the north where the famous mountain pass known as the “Cilician Gates” lay less than 29 miles inland. Sir William Ramsey described the pass as “one of the most famous and important passes in history.”
TC, could you have been thinking of the Bible story of Paul's road to Damascus conversion?
Tarsus is a historic city in south-central Turkey, 20 km inland from the Mediterranean. It is part of the Adana-Mersin metropolitan area, the fourth-largest metropolitan area in Turkey …' (Wikipedia)
He is referring to Paul the Apostle, previously referred to as Saul of Tarsus.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_the_Apostle
Salud, Fern.
Unita 🗽
I thought that I indicated as much. Thank you.
I do believe TC was referring to the Road to Damascus conversion of Saul/Paul. Don't want to speak for him, but your post re: Damascus immediately sprang to my mind as well.
Amidst all that is going on, I am amused and happy that TC sent me to the Bible. I don't expect that of him.
Why in such a calamitous time are we afraid to talk about God? Rhetorical question. Not trying to start a conversation.
Michael, I don't have a position with reference to TC's comment, whether he was making a dramatic point and or a religious one. My thought is that TC doesn't usually make religious points. I am curious to hear from TC only because he pricked my interest with the 'road to Tarsus. Just curious. I like hearing from the person himself. Your question and mine are intended for TC.
Not sure why not. It’s one of the greatest stories of faith in the Bible.
Unita. 🗽