I agree with you Bill. The Nazis, Japanese emperor worshipers were decimated and they rebuild form a clean foundation. As one GI said, 'when I got to Berlin there was not one Nazi to be found'. The South merely regrouped, gradually rewrote history with the Daughters of the Confederacy and so the malignancy persists.
Ike made sure that Germany saw what was done in their name. The praising of Hitler ceased. The cult was eradicated - almost. But like anthrax spores, some lie in wait.
This ignores SO much actual history. In Japan, for instance, there is the Yakusuni shrine which commemorates the deaths of over 2 million Japanese soldiers from all the way back to the 1800s but absolutely includes all the war dead of Ww2 INCLUDING those like Tojo who were executed by the US after war trials. The shrine is highly controversial but the Japanese have never considered closing it and it remains a highly visited spot. Animosity towards Japan from China and Korea (North AND South) continues to this day. And while Nazis were mostly dealt with in Germany, many got away often to South America and some have even survived (although most are now VERY old if not dead).
Jefferson Davis' statue stands today in our Capitol because Mississippi continues to chose him to be so. Bet ya don't find Hitler's statue in Germany's Bundestag or Hirohito's statue in Japan's National Diet.
It's not a question of statues still standing, it's a question of DNA and indoctrination. You can tear down all the statues but the indoctrinated people would still think and act the way they ancestros did. Germany, Hungary, France and others are a ready to repeat their history.....well ,Hungary is already there.
Ricardo, you might find this information from Nationhood Lab, part of the Pell Center of Salve Regina University of interest. IтАЩve posted it here a few times, but never know who sees it, so will post again: https://nationhoodlab.org/a-balkanized-federation/
This was an interesting read that resonated with me. A few years ago, I spent seven months at a relative's house in South Carolina, recovering from a long illness. New Jersey born and bred, I felt as if I was living in an alien land. I felt more at home in Europe. (I am now living in New Jersey again.)
Thanks again Barbara. I just read it and kind of confirmed my assumption. Incredibly, despite the multiple generations and overtime, the influx of other cultures, overall, the original mentality, motivations and objectives is some how preserved nowadays.
WOW! Thanks Barbara! Fascinating, And sad. Explains alot. We have lived all over the U.S.A. and this reflects what I saw (icluding Appalachia which J.D. got so wrong). My Ojibwe husband just received a sizeable check, his portion from his First Nation tribe's settlement with the Canadian government. Too late for his mother, but passed on to our children.
And please remember: women are still not mentioned in our (albeit flawed) constitution, and the Equal Rights Amendment still has not been added. How can we fool outselves thst we are a country in ehiich all humsns are equal ?
Plantation thinking was warmed over thinking of royalty that owned everything and forced people to work in order to exist and to let them live the life of royalty. It was what the USA was ostensibly going to end. The urge of some to exploit others is hard to kill.
Bill, TFFFG the hagfish of politiciansтАж.so far his slime is so slippery heтАЩs been able to escape the grasp of justice. Just hope someday heтАЩs at long last caught in the justice-net and grilled up nicely on the BBQ or in a stir-fry.
Dear leader will die in his bedтАж.. and never see a minute of jail to pay for his crimes. We have a 2 tier justice system in the US. Equality and justice for those who can pay and cheat and manipulate. The rest of us are dupes. To fight on? ItтАЩs too late. The dems didnтАЩt come out to vote, when it was the most crucial election of our time. If the dems, the workers, the young donтАЩt care enough to voteтАж.. I guess theyтАЩll find out the hard way.
Doomed in the short term...maybe even for the rest of my life (I'm kinda old). But I plan to participate in the revolution.
This crazy king needs to go along with his corrupt nobles.
Dems can return this nation to sanity if they run on ECONOMIC JUSTICE. People need money to pay their bills. No amount of social justice (I am a fan) and hand wringing or self blaming will do it.
We need a platform that focuses on the extreme wealth hoarded by a few while the rest of us suffer.
Like the movie Lethal Weapon where the antagonist holds up his passport and says тАЬdiplomatic immunityтАЭ and Danny Glovers character replies: тАЬREVOKEDтАЭ
My thoughts exactly , had to wade through the koombaya of letтАЩs be thankful and with a bit of dementia we can leave all the trail of tears that brings us to this moment.
A very misguided idea. Especially during the Civil War, there were families fighting their own families. A scorched earth policy especially AFTER the South had surrendered would have created just as much awfulness, maybe worse, than what happened after Lincoln's assassination. And it's mistaken to say that WW2 ended that way. It didn't either in Germany or Japan. In Germany although the Nuremberg trials did deal with the highest leaders, most German soldiers were returned home after a very short internment. Ditto in Japan. Except for a few senior officers, most Japanese soldiers were pardoned and freed. There was mo mass execution of soldiers. We didn't crush anyone. War does enough damage, don't you think? Obliterating the enemy will not "solve" any problems. So you think Israel's obliteration of Gaza Is going to help them in the long run? As I said I think this is a very wrong idea.
Was our Civil War really "won"? Why were thousands of southern traitors pardoned? Some returned as Senators.
Just an idea. But what if treason wasn't forgiven? What if the north really crushed the evil of the Confederacy?
The DNA of plantation thinking lives on today in the Republican Party.
Pogo was right.
I agree with you Bill. The Nazis, Japanese emperor worshipers were decimated and they rebuild form a clean foundation. As one GI said, 'when I got to Berlin there was not one Nazi to be found'. The South merely regrouped, gradually rewrote history with the Daughters of the Confederacy and so the malignancy persists.
And plutocrats deliberately fanned the embers of the Civil War in order to divide and conquer, just as they had fed racism to keep the serfs divided.
Ike made sure that Germany saw what was done in their name. The praising of Hitler ceased. The cult was eradicated - almost. But like anthrax spores, some lie in wait.
This ignores SO much actual history. In Japan, for instance, there is the Yakusuni shrine which commemorates the deaths of over 2 million Japanese soldiers from all the way back to the 1800s but absolutely includes all the war dead of Ww2 INCLUDING those like Tojo who were executed by the US after war trials. The shrine is highly controversial but the Japanese have never considered closing it and it remains a highly visited spot. Animosity towards Japan from China and Korea (North AND South) continues to this day. And while Nazis were mostly dealt with in Germany, many got away often to South America and some have even survived (although most are now VERY old if not dead).
Jefferson Davis' statue stands today in our Capitol because Mississippi continues to chose him to be so. Bet ya don't find Hitler's statue in Germany's Bundestag or Hirohito's statue in Japan's National Diet.
It's not a question of statues still standing, it's a question of DNA and indoctrination. You can tear down all the statues but the indoctrinated people would still think and act the way they ancestros did. Germany, Hungary, France and others are a ready to repeat their history.....well ,Hungary is already there.
Ricardo, you might find this information from Nationhood Lab, part of the Pell Center of Salve Regina University of interest. IтАЩve posted it here a few times, but never know who sees it, so will post again: https://nationhoodlab.org/a-balkanized-federation/
This was an interesting read that resonated with me. A few years ago, I spent seven months at a relative's house in South Carolina, recovering from a long illness. New Jersey born and bred, I felt as if I was living in an alien land. I felt more at home in Europe. (I am now living in New Jersey again.)
Thanks again Barbara. I just read it and kind of confirmed my assumption. Incredibly, despite the multiple generations and overtime, the influx of other cultures, overall, the original mentality, motivations and objectives is some how preserved nowadays.
Thank you, Barbara. I found this link to be very helpful, and immensely informative.
Morning, Lynell, and Happy Thanksgiving!
Thanks Barbara ЁЯША
WOW! Thanks Barbara! Fascinating, And sad. Explains alot. We have lived all over the U.S.A. and this reflects what I saw (icluding Appalachia which J.D. got so wrong). My Ojibwe husband just received a sizeable check, his portion from his First Nation tribe's settlement with the Canadian government. Too late for his mother, but passed on to our children.
Really interesting perspective!
United (?) States
Maybe US North East, US South East, mid US, US South, US mtn, US West, To each his own.
Like anthrax spores
https://www.aoc.gov/explore-capitol-campus/art/jefferson-davis-statue
тАЬThe south shall rise againтАЭ
Echos in my mind, the stars and bars traipsing thru the capitol, they have never gotten over it.
Heard that all my life growing up in rural NC
And please remember: women are still not mentioned in our (albeit flawed) constitution, and the Equal Rights Amendment still has not been added. How can we fool outselves thst we are a country in ehiich all humsns are equal ?
See "How the South *Won* the Civil War" (my emphasis) by HCR that originally brought me to this Substack.
Plantation thinking was warmed over thinking of royalty that owned everything and forced people to work in order to exist and to let them live the life of royalty. It was what the USA was ostensibly going to end. The urge of some to exploit others is hard to kill.
Serfs forever
Exactly! It was allowed to perpetuate. The greedy racists were allowed to continue right up to today.
Sad but true, more than Lincoln died that day.
Bill, TFFFG the hagfish of politiciansтАж.so far his slime is so slippery heтАЩs been able to escape the grasp of justice. Just hope someday heтАЩs at long last caught in the justice-net and grilled up nicely on the BBQ or in a stir-fry.
Dear leader will die in his bedтАж.. and never see a minute of jail to pay for his crimes. We have a 2 tier justice system in the US. Equality and justice for those who can pay and cheat and manipulate. The rest of us are dupes. To fight on? ItтАЩs too late. The dems didnтАЩt come out to vote, when it was the most crucial election of our time. If the dems, the workers, the young donтАЩt care enough to voteтАж.. I guess theyтАЩll find out the hard way.
WE ARE DOOMED.
Doomed in the short term...maybe even for the rest of my life (I'm kinda old). But I plan to participate in the revolution.
This crazy king needs to go along with his corrupt nobles.
Dems can return this nation to sanity if they run on ECONOMIC JUSTICE. People need money to pay their bills. No amount of social justice (I am a fan) and hand wringing or self blaming will do it.
We need a platform that focuses on the extreme wealth hoarded by a few while the rest of us suffer.
ЁЯСНIтАЩm with ya, Bill, ready to do what I can/able to make sure we donтАЩt lose this RepublicтАж.ЁЯЧ╜тШоя╕ПЁЯЗ║ЁЯЗ╕
Like the movie Lethal Weapon where the antagonist holds up his passport and says тАЬdiplomatic immunityтАЭ and Danny Glovers character replies: тАЬREVOKEDтАЭ
My thoughts exactly , had to wade through the koombaya of letтАЩs be thankful and with a bit of dementia we can leave all the trail of tears that brings us to this moment.
A very misguided idea. Especially during the Civil War, there were families fighting their own families. A scorched earth policy especially AFTER the South had surrendered would have created just as much awfulness, maybe worse, than what happened after Lincoln's assassination. And it's mistaken to say that WW2 ended that way. It didn't either in Germany or Japan. In Germany although the Nuremberg trials did deal with the highest leaders, most German soldiers were returned home after a very short internment. Ditto in Japan. Except for a few senior officers, most Japanese soldiers were pardoned and freed. There was mo mass execution of soldiers. We didn't crush anyone. War does enough damage, don't you think? Obliterating the enemy will not "solve" any problems. So you think Israel's obliteration of Gaza Is going to help them in the long run? As I said I think this is a very wrong idea.