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Ed Guerrant's avatar

“And in 1865, at least, they won.”

Ouch!

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John Jennrich's avatar

That was then, this is now. Hard to see what we have now as progress of any kind. I'm not a defeatist, but we have plenty of work to do to change both America and Americans.

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NK's avatar

Food for thought:

The election has NOT been CERTIFIED, Trump has NOT been SWORN IN. Garland is wrong. Trump is NOT a "sitting president." What IS unconstitutional is that Trump is being allowed to take office.

Article XIV Sec. 3:

"Whoever has sworn to uphold the Constitution of the United States of America, and takes part in an insurrection against same...shall NOT HOLD OFFICE...."

Evidence was there on television for everyone to see. Trump spoke to the crowd, and SENT THEM TO THE CAPITOL, knowing they were armed and dangerous.

It was NOT an "official act" that SCOTUS decided he has immunity for.

Trump and Co are taking it for granted that he "won," therefore is allowed to do anything he wants.

Until Trump is sworn in he is NOT officially POTUS.

Timothy Snyder, ON TYRANNY:

1) DO NOT OBEY IN ADVANCE.

🗽🇺🇲🇺🇦

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Terry's avatar

The problem as i see it is it was allowed, all of it, the grift, the crimes, the corruption - from the top down...and it will get much worse very soon.

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Sue Regier's avatar

NK, Exactly right. There is no “there” there, but the people, like Garland, are caving right and left. The media acts like his ridiculous cabinet picks are a done deal.

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Janice Radder's avatar

Biden is still our president. Instead of welcoming the illegitimate, I wish he would declare dump can’t be president, and if necessary use the military against the enemy magas. Wishful thinking I know, but honestly this is ridiculous. That 9 men and women could make presidents kings/queens in a single “decision”. That felons are allowed to run our nation without question. That they are about to do grave harm not just to our country but the world….why?

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Susan Ross's avatar

Finally the truth

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Bryan Sean McKown's avatar

John, check out Professor Vance's 'Discourse earlier today.

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John Jennrich's avatar

Bryan, thanks much. I read her comments; very helpful.

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Bryan Sean McKown's avatar

Of course, Everything is "Not Broken."

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Michele's avatar

Ed, ouch indeed. A reminder to all of us of the task that lies ahead of us.

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Ricardo Grinbank's avatar

Ed, hope we can say "and in 2028 at least WE won".

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Barbara Keating's avatar

Yup, Ricardo, tho it IS up to us!!!! We need to keep our shoulders to the wheel to get our democracy over this rough terrain.

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progwoman's avatar

I hope we can. It's not over, but a complex society like the one we have now is a lot more vulnerable to those with money and technology. That's why I look for. clear heads like HCR's.

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