In the parking lot of my local grocery store, a nice elderly man offered to put my cart in the rack for me. I thanked him, and he then asked how I was doing. I mentioned how lousy most of the produce looked and how high prices have gotten, and he then told me this: "Just you wait and see, EVERYTHING is going to get better very soon! HE i…
In the parking lot of my local grocery store, a nice elderly man offered to put my cart in the rack for me. I thanked him, and he then asked how I was doing. I mentioned how lousy most of the produce looked and how high prices have gotten, and he then told me this: "Just you wait and see, EVERYTHING is going to get better very soon! HE is getting great people in all those cabinet positions, and they will be fantastic!" I told him I really didn't want to discuss that, and wished him a good night. Of course, what I really wanted to say was this: "Are you fucking kidding me? Do you have any fucking idea how brainwashed you are?!? The orange monster and his minions are going to destroy this country! Just YOU wait and see how bad things will get when you lose social security, Medicare, and have to pay so much more for pretty much everything!" This is what freaks me out the most: these people are hearing nothing but propaganda from their right-wing bullshit "news" sources, and that isn't going to change. They won't realize how screwed they are until it's too late, but they'll probably blame it on Democrats, or anything other than their CHOSEN ONE! Sorry for my rant......sometimes I just can't handle this shit.
I had a similar experience, guy with autistic child jewish wife, explain to me how Harris paid the celebrities to endorse her. It was a Fox Noise item that was proven totally false. Guy said he heard Democratic officials admit it! I said nothing. If 400,000 excess American deaths because of poor pandemic response did not 'break through', if Ivermectin and bleach work for you instead of a Nobel Prize winning vaccine, I cannot think of anything persuasive.
My sister lives in a red-neck backwater town in Missouri and survives on a widows pension and life-saving medications and medical care. I scream and shout to everyone about what this band of freebooting maniacal marauders are planning to do to America's most vulnerable, except her. She has no idea what is going on politically, thank God. May ignorance be bliss for some, I say.
I throw my hands up. The death of America is at hand. I have repeated to everyone’s distain here that I would put my trust in the good generals temporarily suspending the constitution and end the Trump MAGA era. But no one agrees. We don’t or won’t have a nation anyway so why not put our faith in our military to save us. The incoming trash will be worst than you could imagine.
Elected or not, Trump and co are domestic terrorists by their own admission and should be treated as such. I agree they should be stopped. If the shoe was on the other foot there’d be retaliation ‘to an extent never before seen before in this country’ to use Trump’s repeated throw away line.
Linda, it's true Trump is barely literate. He does not read, does not think, does not reason. I am thinking he is wearing an earpiece through which his handlers are feeding him just what to say. He is now getting better at using it, but was not good at the beginning. I thought there was something like that going on when he accused Kamala Harris of it. He always accuses others of what he is actually doing, and usually the others are not. So, nearly half of America voted for an ignoramus as president, this time even deeper into dementia than when he left office before. He has done nothing but plot, run for office, lie, cheat, commit insurrection, steal documents, consult with America's adversaries while out of office, and try to rig elections, yet people thought he was a good guy to be president again. What is wrong with people? Or is it that some shenanigans have been performed impacting the vote? It truly is a puzzle and certainly negates the concept of American exceptionalism.
So here’s a different view Linda while he may be the exaggerator in chief and I don’t disagree with that when he says the greatest of all time or never before this good or whatever he’s exaggerating it’s a lot different than lying about topics. That means something to every American here’s a few examples. of issues that are important rather than pointing them out for exaggerating why don’t you call these people out for lying and actually America did call them out for lying by throwing them out of office
THE BORDER IS SECURE CRIME IS DOWN BIDENOMICS IS WORKING AND TRUMP IS A RACIST, MISOGYNIST BIGOT XENOPHOBE FASCIST AS WELL AS HITLER. IN THE MEANTIME, JOE BIDEN INVITED HITLER TO THE WHITE HOUSE THE OTHER DAY AND JOE AND MIKA FROM MORNING. JOE WENT TOMORROW LAGO TO ACTUALLY MEET WITH HITLER AND THEY KNOW HITLER BECAUSE THEY’VE CALLED HIM THAT FOR THE LAST THREE YEARS
ANY HUMAN BEING THAT REFERS TO ANYBODY AS ADOLF HITLER IS IN TOTAL IGNORAMUS AND PERHAPS SHOULD GO VISIT PLACES LIKE AUSCHWITZ AND SEE THE OVENS AND THE PILES OF GLASSES AND BOOTS OF THE 11 MILLION PEOPLE THAT WERE KILLED DURING WORLD WAR III BY THE SAME MAN. USING HIS NAME IS SO EFFING IRRESPONSIBLE
Lololol. Should you really want to identify domestic terrorist just look at the current Weaponized department of so-called Justice? hasn’t been a better example of that since America was first founded
So you are saying that inciting an insurrection against our country is all made up, in spite of the entire riot and Trump’ obvious incitement. And you are saying that should be ignored and go unpunished? You are saying that the Justice department should just not punish a felon who stole highly classified material from the National Archives and refused to return them? And he has never disclosed who he sold that classified information to.
I am sick of the willful ignorance that you display.
What do you mean? Can you give an example of an investigation that was brought with no cause? Whenever I talk to people about this, they want good citations and I don’t have any, but I bet you do. Please help!
Wait til the military are mass deployed to extrade how many immigrants? as Heather rightly noted, are integral to the economy, and also report fewer crimes per capita than the general American population. Turns out crime rates run higher in poorer American states which lean Maga, educational and economic outcomes run lower, where Evangelicals rule the roost.
I just learned from a retired Navy friend with lots of Dept. of Defense work in his history, that Coast Guard is having trouble recruiting now because of re-missioning of their work. What was about serving safety/security of people and ships off United States coastlines has become about deploying people to faraway places to be on the front lines; this resulted from budgetary considerations. Navy couldn't fund the foreign front-line work so they began sending Coast Guard. Repurposing the tasks of the military . . . yikes!
Frank, people hear about crime ad nauseam. Many, like my parents had, have scanners. Then there is the constant reporting of crime and attributing to Ds on platforms like Nextdoor. Interestingly, lots of pictures from security cameras and most of them are white men and women. Do people really not know where their food comes from or do they think it magically appears at the grocery store. Scut job are done by immigrants who may be documented, but often not. Big project on our street for two and half years. One Hispanic who ran a machine. The rest of them did the landscaping and the smoothing out of cement on the sidewalk. Lots of white guys working on this project and complaining about Ds. It was Federal money that allowed it to happen.
Frank, I’m not against immigration. Both sides of my family were them. I was however, totally disgusted how Biden slept on the job for three years not doing a damn thing. He could have invoked the Insurrection Act. He could have created an executive order. He did shit for three years. I’m not saying this was the only reason Harris lost but it was a big one. Let’s stop kidding ourselves. I hate Trump with a passion. So much so that I put my first book on cats side to write about Trump. Now I must write Part II and add it into my 4 year old book. No nation on earth allows unmitigated rushing the border as we did. Stop deceiving yourselves you and others. And if you don’t believe me, read about UK and Brixit. Read about Pen almost winning in France. Read about the far right Germans now the 2nd most popular political group. And all of them on the topic of migration. Snap out of it. We lost largely on this issue. If I did t hate Trump so much I might have voted for the monster — the 2nd rate mafia wannabe. (Not really but so many did.)
Once again asking why you haven't castigated the GOP in the House that caved to Trump's demand that they not pass the bipartisan bill that addressed at least some of the immigration issues "because he didn't want to give Biden a 'win' in the campaign"?
Here's a long and a bit into the weeds take on immigration issues under Biden. This doesn't exactly line up with your "do nothing" comment, but it hardly ignores the problems involved. We might remember, too, that many if not most of the illegal or temporarily protected recent immigrants fill jobs most Americans would not, that for the past year or so the US has run at virtually "full employment", abt 4% unemployed, despite the immigration problems Americans esp MAGA rail at. The heart of it, according to the article authors, is a Congress which has failed to pass meaningful immigration reform legislation in a generation, gridlocked in partisan warfare I can only guess. Will the US military remove DACA too?
Ever hear of the bipartisan border bill that was almost passed until Trump had the Republicans kill it? What you’re saying about the Dems regarding this is simply not true.
Bill - what is your take on the bipartisan immigration bill that gave Republicans just about everything they were asking for - more border agents, more immigration judges - that Trump told House Republicans not to pass so close to an election because Trump wanted immigration to be an election issue? What do you make of that?
As others here have written in response to yours Bill, at a bare minimum, the GOP scuttled the most drastic immigration reform package in recent history, a piece of comprehensive legislation drafted by Republican Senator Lankford from the State whose nickname ("Sooners") is a folksy reminder of a true unmitigated rush to the border whereby land was taken by white Americans manifestly fueled by their ballyhooed destiny to emancipate same from the Indigenous peoples already there.
In so scuttling, any argument against Harris and the Democrats on the immigration issue was superseded by this cynical and cowardly cave in to Trump.
You’re misplacing blame Bill. You know full well that t stopped any attempt to mitigate the border crisis. I do agree however that no other country allows the flow of migrants that we do now; but our history includes immigrants from all over the world sailing into the NY harbor. It’s all in the messaging; indoctrination by maga demonizing desperate asylum seekers. Biden attempted to bolster those countries from which people are fleeing. It takes time and right now we are stuck in a cycle of “dismantling” and “reconstruction” of government. Biden accomplished much in his 4 short years. Let’s put credit where it is due.
Bill, mass migration from the poor nations to the advanced west is undermining ALL western countries. The human race has overwhelmed it's carrying capacity, BILLIONS are without work, food, shelter. What can they do. They have big families, their countries are corrupt and their leaders steal what limited assets are available. Forests are cut down, water is polluted, fished out, deserts are growing. Arable land is shrinking. The four horsemen of the apocalypse are riding across the earth. The momentum of global warming can not be reversed. Yes I am pessimistic.
You are aware that the Justice Department is a separate, and rightfully so, branch of the government? Biden has been very careful not to pressure DOJ to act. He knows what is correct. DJT most certainly does not.
I had that conversation last night with my husband. Trump is an autocrat our country has taken a turn against democracy and the MAGA’s, low info voters, sexists who would never vote for a woman and racists put him in office. Remember J6? Do you think he’ll leave peacefully in 4 years? He’ll leave when they carry him out feet first. With DOGE, aside from all of the suffering they will happen, why isn’t the MSM talking about the job loss? The Fed employs about 3 million people, so how many will be fired? 1 million? 2 million? And with the mass deportation of 10-20M and tax loss there, who’s going to take those jobs?
Do you think the Senators will really grow a pair and vote against Trump’s nominations? Gaitz was nominated for one purpose- to carry out Trump’s retribution, Hegseth will do with our military whatever Trump wants him to do, ie go after American citizens. We’re fu&@ed. Thanks for letting me rant. I pray to God I’m wrong.
Trump's not an autocrat, he just hasn't changed since he was a wilful toddler. Now he's being manipulated by autocrats who feed his need for flattering attention.
Mr Katz.....you sit in front of your computer screen all day.........what have you done to help plan and organize the resistance??? Would you go into the forests like they did in WW2? When the Orange Gestapo hit the streets.......what will you do??
Give me a break with the projection stuff.......Magats are the ones calling for blood , there......not going there...... hats off for the protest songs.
Just being a harbinger........things could get really ugly when the Orange stormtroopers take over the streets
If you people keep talking Putin, you’re gonna lose every election for the next 12 years. Stop the nonsense. Stop the nonsense. Don’t let Adam Schiff be your poster child
That is like your Mother used to say…..if everybody jumped off a cliff,would you jump too? Just because the crowd did? Have you ever considered that 76 million people….not quite half of voters are wrong? They have been propagandized by some very clever wordsmiths who skew facts by skewing language. Followers follow. Leaders Lead
Meanwhile here in Idaho dairy farmers fear how the mass deportation plan will negatively impact their industry. Our legislature has been overtaken by trumpf idjits. We were thrilled to read Simpsons comment. Fingers crossed he votes his conscience.
I hope their ignorance bites them in the a$$ and really hard. Perhaps the pain will wake them from their deep sleep. They consistently never get it … and look at where we are now. Except for the top 1%, we are all paying for it.
There’s two types of ignorance - the first where you believe the bullcrap, and don’t mind the drastic consequences as long as it’s happening to someone else. The second, the one which I’m referring to, is where your mental health or physical challenges or age etc prevent you from engaging in the state of the world, and you live with an inherent belief that hard won human rights and public services will always be there for you as the safety net they were created to be.
I don’t know what to say. I’m so sorry about your sister. The entire situation has me sick. I have four grandchildren. Will they ever know the America I grew up in, warts and all.
Thank you Phyllis, it is dark times indeed. I sincerely hope that things right themselves for your dear grandchildren. I strongly believe that the good guys always win. We may have lost the battle but we’ll win the war.
She isn’t registered to vote and said there’s no point. I didn’t want to worry her so left it at that. I’d say she’d be totally saturated in fake news and surrounded by Trump supporters. Alternatively she’s one of the 93 million who don’t want to know. A lot of people I know find politics excruciatingly boring or of no interest, or think that not voting is a rebellious act 🤷♀️
People that are decent human beings don’t refer to other similar human beings as rednecks. And try to frighten them with things that will never happen.
Russian propaganda is demonstrably extremely effective. Clearly Putin has achieved his goal of bringing down the U.S. without firing a shot. Targeting the existing prejudices, fears and lack of critical thinking skills in much of the populace was more powerful than a nuke. It’s devastating.
Guaranteed anything and everything that goes wrong will be blamed on Biden. That's exactly what Trump did for at least the 1st two years of his failed, disastrous presidency. Everything was Obama's fault.
So right, 100, mean for me to say that covid didn't kill off "enough Republican voters. Sadly, that vaccine "hesitancy" also extended to Blacks, who also disproportionly died from Covid - likely men more than women.
Panthers, I kept hearing that if we just talked one to one with those brainwashed souls, we might be able to persuade them. I have seen no evidence of that. And, when even Republicans who told the brainwashed what Trump was really like and they ignored all of what they said and voted for him anyway, it is hard not to think they deserve what happens to them. The only problem is that all the rest of us will be hurt and some even killed too for their ignorance and unwillingness to put a little time into thinking and getting out of their bubble. Ugh!
I get this from my MAGAt cohort all the freaking time. One chowder head just posted "Hey, Tulsi Gabbard is a Mustang! OooRah!" She's also a Russian asset that wouldn't be able to pass a background check, but that doesn't matter to them.
For those unaware of MilSpeak, that is a former enlisted military person who becomes an officer.
And DonOLD DID pay those who attended his rallies, something he accused Kamala of doing. I was amazed at how little publicity the 15000 people he left stranded in the desert got. That story got quashed instantly.
Still waiting to hear about validity of the Greg Palast claim that 2.7 million votes were ditched. According to the Philly papers, where a hand recount is taking place, we lost Pa in Biden's home area, former Biden supporters. Not Gen Z. Not Blacks. Lost 2 Pa Dem house seats.
WOW! Harris claimed that she was prepared to address anything that appeared suspicious in the vote count. She folded even before all the votes were counted.
Another facet of the Trump Strategy that I think we're only seeing now: Democrats are now so afraid of becoming "conspiracy theorists" like the MAGA group that we shy away from anything that could make us like them.
It's like aversion therapy - except insidious and malicious.
Ally, the Bob Casey-McCormick Senate close vote tally was less than the 0.05% PENN statutory trigger. Thus, An official recount must start tomorrow 11/20 & be completed by11/26 & reported out on 11/27.
The PENN Senate race has already launched at least a 1/2 dozen lawsuits. The PENN Supreme Court has already ruled on 2 concerning Mail-Ins & Provisional ballots. McCormick withdrew 1 of his lawsuit over two(2) Ballots last Thursday. Dios Mio amiga.
Shall I say it? OK, ok I won't say it but, see an appropriate Yogi Berra Maxim ....
Right. But, if you read the article, he's not some conspiracy theorists, and he's not spouting a bunch of lies and misinformation. Maybe Rachal Maddow could shed some light.
Max, that is a question that MSM refuses to answer. They all have appeared to fold, including the VP. An important point that Spoonamore has included in his request for a hand count is the following: Harris probably checked the voting machines right before and right after the election. That's what Musk was counting on. They should have examined the machines when the polling places in the swing states were bombed. That was when Spoonamore says the dirty deed was done. People were distracted. That's where Musk's Starlink technology manipulated the vote. Why Harris refuses to do a simple hand count so far is a puzzle. No one on MSNBC, CNN so far, has been willing to take up the fight.
Daniel, Has this information been sent to main stream media? If so, is msm so afraid of being called "conspiracy theorists" that they are dragging their feet about making this public? Has the Harris campaign or the DNC responded to these claims by Mr Spoonamore? It feels like we are in a pool and drowning and the life guard can't see us, or if she/he does see us drowning, they just don't want to get wet. The data and FACTS in Mr Spoonamore's substack answer to persistent question "how the hell could this have possibly have happened?!?!" If this were true in Pennsylvania, what about Arizona, Nevada, Wisconsin, Michigan?? Look what happened when someone else named Merritt Garland dragged his feet in the interest of being "independent" and "fair and just" .
I've seen MSM address the 'conspiracy theories' to debunk specifically the allegation that Starlink satellites may have been involved in tampering with tabulator machines. Interestingly, it's clear they are aware of Spoonamore's allegation, but debunking a different allegation. We know that the vast majority of machines are isolated from the Internet, but Spoonamore's allegation is that it was the e Poll Books, which in many cases are connected OR that tabulator machines were interfered with in very limited circumstances, directly, by people. The theories Spoonamore advances are all plausible and require attention, even if to verify he is a real, human, American person who is not spreading disinformation. His letter could be simply that. We need verification and then investigation.
"They claim a mandate, although as final vote tallies are coming in, it turns out that Trump did not win 50% of the vote, and CNN statistician Harry Enten notes that his margin comes in at 44th out of the 51 elections that have been held since 1824."... Less than 50% is not a Majority... Kamala may have Capitulated too Early... I have also read that Kamala received about 10,000,000 Votes less than Joe Biden did 2020... Those 10,000,00+ Voters stayed Home... DJT received less than a 1,000,000 more Votes than he did in 2020... Per AOC, Kamala should have listened less to the Obama Era insiders, and more to the 'GrassRoots'.... Reuben Gallego impressed me by visiting all the Major Indigenous Enclaves in AZ during his Campaign... They Turned Out For Him... DJT is Mean, Vindictive, and Cruel.. DJT will try to undo all of Joe Biden's accomplishments... Failing that he will try to take Credit for them... DJT is deteriorating noticeably faster now... DJT will cause Chaos in order to mask his Ineptitude... DJT is the "Stable Genius" Businessman who declared Bankruptcy 5-Times... As long as DJT is on the Main Stage, he will cause Chaos... His Minions have been chosen for their Subservience to DJT, not their Competence...
The suppression included massive voter registration purges and dozens of lawsuits to make voting more difficult and/or to count fewer votes. The GQP has been shamelessly suppressing voting.
That as Well... Many of the Indigenous Communities were affected by that, Kristi Noem, Gov. of SD, is banned from many of Indigenous Communities in SD for Voter Suppression among other things there...
Abby, you make a good point and it makes one wonder why we haven't heard more about "the big purge."
The corporate media could care less about voter suppression. And there have been millions purged across the country. Does anyone think that these prunes haven't led to disenfranchisement among marginalized voters?
The group "anonymous" believe that there were votes in swing states that only voted for president, no judges, amendments etc. There were 60 bomb threats at polling stations were everyone except was forced to leave. During the last hurricane, Musk set up starlink satellite over those areas of the country and could have manipulated the vote. (Musk claimed victory before the votes were counted.) Normally, less than <1 would have voted for just president but some how 11% did. They claim the numbers do not make any sense. We need a hand count in all swing states. If the election was truly stolen, there will not be physical ballots bc it was done electronically. All ballots in swing states need to be hand counted. Musk brags that anything can be hacked. I think he's bragging about what he has done.
I feel like the claims of a "stolen election" in 2020 were really a longer game to discredit anyone else who tried to claim a stolen election later.
Think about it. We're trapped now between a rock an a hard place. Calling out our suspicious makes us look like the rabid 2020 deniers and decreases our legitimacy more, spreading more division. Sitting here and allowing it sets a precedent that we'll just roll over and allow ourselves to be played.
"I feel like the claims of a "stolen election" in 2020 were really a longer game to discredit anyone else who tried to claim a stolen election later."
Yup. Just like when my ex accused me of having an affair, so I would look silly when I told anyone what I found out about him and his affair. What he didn't realize is that there were so many other things he was doing that the affair was not important. I just hope there is more that trump and his co-conspirators will get caught doing, enough that the stealing of 2024 won't matter in the long run.
Tjb as I could not find one of your responses I will respond here hopefully you’ll get it.
Yes, I have plenty of time. I’ve retired 12 years ago very happily and very thankful to this America.
And just so you know, I have never been on any social media network until about four weeks ago or so didn’t do Facebook didn’t do. Twitter didn’t do Instagram or any of the others just happened to get a random email from somebody as I started reading more and more. I realize that there are too many people that are not seeing things from both sides of the aisle they are only getting one side of the story and I think it’s important that people see the whole story before they make an evaluation. And that’s it
Patty Dubin, I agree with you. Not because I am a sore loser, but because everyone knows, on its face, this election result made NO SENSE. I think this was the “surprise” that trump and Johnson shared cryptically with American. And I think it’s the reason Musk can have a tantrum, shouting match, or whatever else the hell he wants, with trump or his minions. He’s the guy who delivered the election by hook and apparently by crook. By time it gets proven we will be deep into the lower pits of hell - or as magas call it “trumps second administration”.
Patty, to your point, I agree with TJB in positing that Trump's "stop the steal" campaign served at least two purposes. If immediate success at overturning that election failed, it created a template against which Democrats would look like sore losers and foolish conspiracy theorists if they questioned any future election results. That would lay the groundwork for actually stealing the election without its being questioned. Trump is not that clever, but he surrounds himself with people who are, not the buffoons he places in plain sight but those he keeps in the shadows.
I may sound like a broken record, but it's important to note that Trump and his party have coopted the evangelical wing of Christendom. Evangelicals' whole raison d'être is the long game. They are willing to live a whole lifetime in misery to claim their reward of a "mansion on a gold-paved boulevard" AFTER they die. If that isn't playing the long game, I don't know what is. It also means that when Trump makes their lives a living hell, they will resign themselves to believing it's "God's will" that they suffer.
Patty, right on. When I said ‘stolen’ about the election a seemingly educated Dem woman remarked, ‘You sound like T’. I ought to have quickly responded that everything he ever says is about what he does or will do. Pure narcissistic on display.
So. Yes. Probably mush and push.
Thom Hartmann’s written a book about voting that he recently quoted from on a post. Simultaneously fascinating and deeply unsettling.
Seems to me that Kamala Capitulated to Soon.. Reminds me of Al Gore in 2000... Probably to avoid Civil UnRest by the MAGAs... Seeing Joe Biden Shake Hands with DJT reminded me of Hindenburg greeting Hitler... The Fascists in the Republican Party have demonstrated that they will do Anything For Power... The Dark Siths Are Smiling...
Trump and Musk are a match made in hell. But if Musk indeed delivered the battleground states to Trump, he will be hard-pressed to give Musk the heave-ho. As with so many of Trump's decisions, the JD choice was impulsive and expedient, one that Trump now regrets. JD has become invisible and will remain that way. As we've all heard, Trump believes "he alone can fix it." Pence showed him that he doesn't need or want a VP.
As for Melania, she has already made it very clear that she has no intention of being a First Lady on this go-round. The only time we'll see her is on the few occasions specified in her contract. Otherwise, she's a cougar on the prowl.
I read Musk hasn’t left Trump’s side since the election. Considering Trumps stage of dementia why aren’t people complaining that we have a shadow President like they did with Biden? No one voted for the illegal immigrant that bought his citizenship. I have not read one word on Vance, not even a line in a story.
Got that right Apache; we are officially not a 50-50 Nation. We are till counting votes in California. Also, 5 U.S. California House seats are still labeled "Toss-Ups".
Think 1930s Germany. This is going to be very bad. I'm waiting for opposition figures to start "falling" out of windows or getting into strange accidents.
We have know the Orange cult for years..........the big question is will people fight back with everything........putting our lives on the line or just roll over like Morning Joe and Redcoat Mika.
A data scientist, Stephen Spoonamore, strongly suspects a hack took place during the 2024 election. He speaks of tremendous numbers of “bullet votes” for Trump, occurring in just the swing states. A bullet vote is where there is only one selection in one race out of the entire ballot.
For example in Arizona and Nevada, 5% and 7% of the ballots were people who only voted for Trump.
He explains how easily it could occur particularly with the ability of Starlink, headed by Elon Musk. He also explains that a hand recount would clear this up.
Mr. Spoonamore is imploring Kamila Harris to request a HAND RECOUNT as only she can do. He states that a hand recount will determine the correct number of votes for the 2024 presidential election.
People interested in pushing for Harris to have a hand recount should contact SMARTELECTIONS.US
I sent his substack article to Senator Angus King. I'm sure all of the Senators are aware.
PA is doing a recount of their Senate race. If Shapiro can couple that with a PA Presidential recount, then perhaps some of the shenanigans mentioned by Spoonamore will come to light. And if they do in PA, then that could lead to recounts in the other swing states.
The answer is simple, look at the social media post for Trump, according to those lies everything from inflation to the stock market was described as horrible. Based on these lies the momentum went through the roof. If we don't change our message to small burst on social media we will not reach the majority of people. CBS, ABC news and maybe even HCR should have reposted the list of lies and exposed those Facebook post for what they were. Dems lost on economy and immigration. Biden has done a great job, with 7% interest rates but that info is not posted where most people can see it.
I have been making this point in NYT comment sections and they will not print my comments, except when I say anything but the media is complicit. Considering dropping the NYT for the Guardian now. What a shame, because some of their articles are beautiful.
I deleted Xitter apps from PC and phone. I use Threads and Substack. Need to try BlueSky. It may be beyond my limited capacity. If I can get news about Ukraine then it will be worth learning.
I read it and implore Harris to push for a recount. Don't really care if Republicans call us sore losers or whatever. They were prepared to completely contest the election if they lost. Why aren't Democrats prepared to do the same? The stakes are enormous.
A Risk-limiting audit (RLA) which is a randomized audit comparing paper result to tabulator is very effective in determining errors. If done by each state it would certainly call out any shenanigans. It is easy to do and statistically relevant. If errors are noted, then a more complete audit would be warranted. Here is more information. https://www.ncsl.org/elections-and-campaigns/risk-limiting-audits. Here is a very good article about our election systems, their weaknesses and other interesting information. https://harpers.org/archive/2012/11/how-to-rig-an-election/.
> For example in Arizona and Nevada, 5% and 7% of the ballots were people who only voted for Trump.
I hate to say it guys, but some people really only did vote for Trump and no one else. Nothing was hacked, we are in the grief stage and trying to figure it out, but when stuff like this gains critical mass and we can't separate fact from fiction then we are 2 steps away from sounding like the MAGA folks back in 2020 right now. Let's be better.
Yes, PhillyT, some people voted only for Trump. According to Spoonamore, since 1980 that’s been about 1% of the vote. In Non-Swing states this time, it’s about the same. In North Carolina it was 11% of Trump’s vote. NC just elected Democrat, Josh Stein, for governor. If the stats are correct, a recount will show the situation.
We spend a lot of energy to avoid being seen as the same as MAGAts.
I’m right there with you, sister. I can’t believe how brainwashed my neighbors are, either. I’ve mentioned to a few of them the MAGA plan to cut SS and Medicare, and I get looks of incredulity.
The problem is they only listen to right wing news and blogs, etc. My brother is in deep into the cult and no amount of telling the truth gets through - it's all fake news to them. Very frustrating and scary.
Right there with you, Terry. It's frustrating, exhausting, and feels absolutely hopeless trying to talk to family who refuse any information other than what they already believe.
My grandfather, rest his soul, had a saying about how unreasonable people think: I've already made up my mind, don't try and confuse me with facts.
That is why we have to change our delivery method. Short list of what we are doing right and what they are lying about BTW, MAGA is not cutting social security they are going to defund it, same result. Bush took at 1.3 billion (someone can sure up that number) to cut tax for rich and pay for his war
Bush blew up the deficit by attempting to pay for a two theater war without raising extra revenue, and by instituting Medicare D without the ability to negotiate drug prices.
My dad is in the demographic you would think would support Trump, but my family and I all detest him and we voted for Kamala Harris. My dad watches Mika and Morning Joe and I’m disgusted at their capitulation to the Orange Menace.
With complete respect for your reaction to this gentleman who helped with your cart, may I suggest another road? I’ve had several experiences like this before and especially after the election….I guess just because I like to engage with people at grocery store lines, etc. When given a completely inaccurate, often bombastic statement as that gentleman gave you, I do not choose to refute it or politely disengage from the convo. I will usually say something like….”tell me more about that. Like what do you mean by it’s going to be better. What is going to be better? Please share.”
I find this is the start of road to get the state of misinformation out in the open and to put it in question for even the staunchest of Trump allies. To me, Trump has shown people that he will carry such lies as to make them feel perfectly ok about being misinformed. It’s truly the most wicked quality of a grifter. So when YOU ask with genuine interest to such a misinformed “believer” to explain or let you in on what they “know”, you create a space to allow Light to enter the interpersonal space between two people. And with that, can come realization and healing.
Forget thinking that “all these people that voted for (fill in name or issue) are going to get their asses whupped like the rest of us and won’t they be sorry.” Why in the world do we want retribution? I just do not want people to obey in advance. We must move forward together.
I continue to start each day and during these times, more than once a day, remind myself…We are all in this together. There is enough to go around. And “We” is We the People.
Love has no opposite. Light always prevails.
So be a beacon. And not a flashlight to point out “mistakes”.
Mistakes do not need to be pointed out or shamed. Merely a normal exercise in learning.
I like being the parking lot teacher. Wherever the parking lot pops up.
My standard reply to these buffoons is "I hope you get everything you voted for". Usually gets a momentary blank stare, a 'glitch', if you will, that is absolutely priceless.
My great grandmother (born during Grant's administration), told me, a 10 year old at the time, "Be careful what you ask for because you always get what you are asking for."
It was said in such a way that you knew she meant you were too often asking for a swat by a flyswatter by your behavior.
These threads are *terribly* organized too, especially when sorting by "Most Popular" cause everyone likes things so fast that it changes on a dime, so that doesn't help either. I'm sure by now you've found who they were talking about though, lol
Gary, I've heard Trump/Fox talking points coming out of my sister's mouth...and my sister is a lovely human being...and I ask her why she thinks that? She tells me friends or the TV...and I tell her what I believe is true and why. We will discuss it and she usually walks away with a new outlook. I'm just advocating that people try that approach rather than saying nothing, or yelling. It won't always work...but sometimes it does.
I find it much easier with strangers, at least in person. Strangers have this thin barrier of social propriety that keeps things civil (in person) for at least a bit.
Family hits you hard and where it hurts and doesn't care for civility.
"Maybe Not" is factual and especially heart-rending. One of my children completely gets it. The other looks at me like I have lost my "marbles" and smiles. My son who has passed away, understood who Trump and his minions were from the beginning. He was not afraid to share with his friends and family.
It depends on how "strange" the stranger is....A Universal truth that I believe is we are constantly co-creating with others. To not engage is a choice of one kind...to engage is another...and "success" is something else.
The propaganda has already shifted. For 4 yrs it was “the worst economy”. Now the Fox chirons have done a 180 already. They didn’t even wait until Jan 20. Everything good from here on out will be attributed to the upcoming arrival of their orange lord and savior, and anything bad attributed to the prior administration or those not even in power. The propaganda is just so powerful I don’t know how America ever gets fixed. And they know this. They know they have the cards. All we can do is focus on close ones around us and try to get into their universe, because on the mass public scale we’ve lost that war.
I would have said “no, you’re wrong. Prices will rise…” I’m not criticizing your response because we’re all exhausted, but refusing to discuss lets them believe they are right and others believe as they do. These are the people that exist in that bubble that elected tfg.
I just listened to a talk by Carol Off, a noted Canadian author and journalist, who showed how "how well the economy is doing" is strongly partisan and subjective, regardless of the state of the real economy. Great example, sad to say, you just provided, Jill. In a way , you might want to hope MAGA carries out its extreme social support cuts in order to finance its extension of tax cuts to the wealthy, with enough "buyers' remorse" come the mid terms, Trump will be isolated in the WH against Democratic majorities in the House and Senate.
Frank, I've also thought about the very same result. My belief is, come the midterms in this election cycle, republicans will be scrambling to explain their failures. For them, it may well be too little too late. I also believe the chances for a 3rd impeachment on tfg will be the charm. Even republicans may well say: "enough is enough!!"
I'm not sure "another" impeachment trial will be in anyone's best interest. Hamstringing Trump in his last 2 years would be best, I imagine. If that can indeed be pulled off.
I read an article recommended by another user here from the Journal of Democracy which was enlightening and spoke on the importance of perspective vs reality.
It doesn't fully focus on that topic, but it was a very intriguing read.
"Backsliding is less a result of democracies failing to deliver than of democracies failing to constrain the predatory political ambitions and methods of certain elected leaders." We also need to remember that partisan perceptions are often assiduously cultivated and shaped by political elites.
My daughter had a apt response to a construction guy in an elevator who was happy about Trump getting elected. She said in response 'women are going to be f***ked, but not the way we like'.
It seems that there are many instances where ethics are sorely lacking. This Election cycle certainly illustrated the case regarding honest, unbiased media coverage and reporting. Of course… a stupid electorate are willing dupes for these unethical individuals.
In the parking lot of my local grocery store, a nice elderly man offered to put my cart in the rack for me. I thanked him, and he then asked how I was doing. I mentioned how lousy most of the produce looked and how high prices have gotten, and he then told me this: "Just you wait and see, EVERYTHING is going to get better very soon! HE is getting great people in all those cabinet positions, and they will be fantastic!" I told him I really didn't want to discuss that, and wished him a good night. Of course, what I really wanted to say was this: "Are you fucking kidding me? Do you have any fucking idea how brainwashed you are?!? The orange monster and his minions are going to destroy this country! Just YOU wait and see how bad things will get when you lose social security, Medicare, and have to pay so much more for pretty much everything!" This is what freaks me out the most: these people are hearing nothing but propaganda from their right-wing bullshit "news" sources, and that isn't going to change. They won't realize how screwed they are until it's too late, but they'll probably blame it on Democrats, or anything other than their CHOSEN ONE! Sorry for my rant......sometimes I just can't handle this shit.
I had a similar experience, guy with autistic child jewish wife, explain to me how Harris paid the celebrities to endorse her. It was a Fox Noise item that was proven totally false. Guy said he heard Democratic officials admit it! I said nothing. If 400,000 excess American deaths because of poor pandemic response did not 'break through', if Ivermectin and bleach work for you instead of a Nobel Prize winning vaccine, I cannot think of anything persuasive.
My sister lives in a red-neck backwater town in Missouri and survives on a widows pension and life-saving medications and medical care. I scream and shout to everyone about what this band of freebooting maniacal marauders are planning to do to America's most vulnerable, except her. She has no idea what is going on politically, thank God. May ignorance be bliss for some, I say.
I throw my hands up. The death of America is at hand. I have repeated to everyone’s distain here that I would put my trust in the good generals temporarily suspending the constitution and end the Trump MAGA era. But no one agrees. We don’t or won’t have a nation anyway so why not put our faith in our military to save us. The incoming trash will be worst than you could imagine.
Elected or not, Trump and co are domestic terrorists by their own admission and should be treated as such. I agree they should be stopped. If the shoe was on the other foot there’d be retaliation ‘to an extent never before seen before in this country’ to use Trump’s repeated throw away line.
So very tired of that crappy throw-away line. The man is barely literate.
Linda, it's true Trump is barely literate. He does not read, does not think, does not reason. I am thinking he is wearing an earpiece through which his handlers are feeding him just what to say. He is now getting better at using it, but was not good at the beginning. I thought there was something like that going on when he accused Kamala Harris of it. He always accuses others of what he is actually doing, and usually the others are not. So, nearly half of America voted for an ignoramus as president, this time even deeper into dementia than when he left office before. He has done nothing but plot, run for office, lie, cheat, commit insurrection, steal documents, consult with America's adversaries while out of office, and try to rig elections, yet people thought he was a good guy to be president again. What is wrong with people? Or is it that some shenanigans have been performed impacting the vote? It truly is a puzzle and certainly negates the concept of American exceptionalism.
So here’s a different view Linda while he may be the exaggerator in chief and I don’t disagree with that when he says the greatest of all time or never before this good or whatever he’s exaggerating it’s a lot different than lying about topics. That means something to every American here’s a few examples. of issues that are important rather than pointing them out for exaggerating why don’t you call these people out for lying and actually America did call them out for lying by throwing them out of office
THE BORDER IS SECURE CRIME IS DOWN BIDENOMICS IS WORKING AND TRUMP IS A RACIST, MISOGYNIST BIGOT XENOPHOBE FASCIST AS WELL AS HITLER. IN THE MEANTIME, JOE BIDEN INVITED HITLER TO THE WHITE HOUSE THE OTHER DAY AND JOE AND MIKA FROM MORNING. JOE WENT TOMORROW LAGO TO ACTUALLY MEET WITH HITLER AND THEY KNOW HITLER BECAUSE THEY’VE CALLED HIM THAT FOR THE LAST THREE YEARS
ANY HUMAN BEING THAT REFERS TO ANYBODY AS ADOLF HITLER IS IN TOTAL IGNORAMUS AND PERHAPS SHOULD GO VISIT PLACES LIKE AUSCHWITZ AND SEE THE OVENS AND THE PILES OF GLASSES AND BOOTS OF THE 11 MILLION PEOPLE THAT WERE KILLED DURING WORLD WAR III BY THE SAME MAN. USING HIS NAME IS SO EFFING IRRESPONSIBLE
Lololol. Should you really want to identify domestic terrorist just look at the current Weaponized department of so-called Justice? hasn’t been a better example of that since America was first founded
I agree the justice dept could do a better job, they should have locked Trump and his cronies up by now
So you are saying that inciting an insurrection against our country is all made up, in spite of the entire riot and Trump’ obvious incitement. And you are saying that should be ignored and go unpunished? You are saying that the Justice department should just not punish a felon who stole highly classified material from the National Archives and refused to return them? And he has never disclosed who he sold that classified information to.
I am sick of the willful ignorance that you display.
What do you mean? Can you give an example of an investigation that was brought with no cause? Whenever I talk to people about this, they want good citations and I don’t have any, but I bet you do. Please help!
Wait til the military are mass deployed to extrade how many immigrants? as Heather rightly noted, are integral to the economy, and also report fewer crimes per capita than the general American population. Turns out crime rates run higher in poorer American states which lean Maga, educational and economic outcomes run lower, where Evangelicals rule the roost.
I just learned from a retired Navy friend with lots of Dept. of Defense work in his history, that Coast Guard is having trouble recruiting now because of re-missioning of their work. What was about serving safety/security of people and ships off United States coastlines has become about deploying people to faraway places to be on the front lines; this resulted from budgetary considerations. Navy couldn't fund the foreign front-line work so they began sending Coast Guard. Repurposing the tasks of the military . . . yikes!
Joan L., could you site please? I've never heard of any of this.
Frank, people hear about crime ad nauseam. Many, like my parents had, have scanners. Then there is the constant reporting of crime and attributing to Ds on platforms like Nextdoor. Interestingly, lots of pictures from security cameras and most of them are white men and women. Do people really not know where their food comes from or do they think it magically appears at the grocery store. Scut job are done by immigrants who may be documented, but often not. Big project on our street for two and half years. One Hispanic who ran a machine. The rest of them did the landscaping and the smoothing out of cement on the sidewalk. Lots of white guys working on this project and complaining about Ds. It was Federal money that allowed it to happen.
Frank, I’m not against immigration. Both sides of my family were them. I was however, totally disgusted how Biden slept on the job for three years not doing a damn thing. He could have invoked the Insurrection Act. He could have created an executive order. He did shit for three years. I’m not saying this was the only reason Harris lost but it was a big one. Let’s stop kidding ourselves. I hate Trump with a passion. So much so that I put my first book on cats side to write about Trump. Now I must write Part II and add it into my 4 year old book. No nation on earth allows unmitigated rushing the border as we did. Stop deceiving yourselves you and others. And if you don’t believe me, read about UK and Brixit. Read about Pen almost winning in France. Read about the far right Germans now the 2nd most popular political group. And all of them on the topic of migration. Snap out of it. We lost largely on this issue. If I did t hate Trump so much I might have voted for the monster — the 2nd rate mafia wannabe. (Not really but so many did.)
Once again asking why you haven't castigated the GOP in the House that caved to Trump's demand that they not pass the bipartisan bill that addressed at least some of the immigration issues "because he didn't want to give Biden a 'win' in the campaign"?
Here's a long and a bit into the weeds take on immigration issues under Biden. This doesn't exactly line up with your "do nothing" comment, but it hardly ignores the problems involved. We might remember, too, that many if not most of the illegal or temporarily protected recent immigrants fill jobs most Americans would not, that for the past year or so the US has run at virtually "full employment", abt 4% unemployed, despite the immigration problems Americans esp MAGA rail at. The heart of it, according to the article authors, is a Congress which has failed to pass meaningful immigration reform legislation in a generation, gridlocked in partisan warfare I can only guess. Will the US military remove DACA too?
https://www.migrationpolicy.org/article/biden-three-immigration-record
Ever hear of the bipartisan border bill that was almost passed until Trump had the Republicans kill it? What you’re saying about the Dems regarding this is simply not true.
Bill - what is your take on the bipartisan immigration bill that gave Republicans just about everything they were asking for - more border agents, more immigration judges - that Trump told House Republicans not to pass so close to an election because Trump wanted immigration to be an election issue? What do you make of that?
https://apnews.com/article/congress-border-deal-rejected-lankford-immigration-045fdf42d42b26270ee1f5f73e8bc1b0
What "unmitigated rush to the border"?!?
As others here have written in response to yours Bill, at a bare minimum, the GOP scuttled the most drastic immigration reform package in recent history, a piece of comprehensive legislation drafted by Republican Senator Lankford from the State whose nickname ("Sooners") is a folksy reminder of a true unmitigated rush to the border whereby land was taken by white Americans manifestly fueled by their ballyhooed destiny to emancipate same from the Indigenous peoples already there.
In so scuttling, any argument against Harris and the Democrats on the immigration issue was superseded by this cynical and cowardly cave in to Trump.
You’re misplacing blame Bill. You know full well that t stopped any attempt to mitigate the border crisis. I do agree however that no other country allows the flow of migrants that we do now; but our history includes immigrants from all over the world sailing into the NY harbor. It’s all in the messaging; indoctrination by maga demonizing desperate asylum seekers. Biden attempted to bolster those countries from which people are fleeing. It takes time and right now we are stuck in a cycle of “dismantling” and “reconstruction” of government. Biden accomplished much in his 4 short years. Let’s put credit where it is due.
Bill, mass migration from the poor nations to the advanced west is undermining ALL western countries. The human race has overwhelmed it's carrying capacity, BILLIONS are without work, food, shelter. What can they do. They have big families, their countries are corrupt and their leaders steal what limited assets are available. Forests are cut down, water is polluted, fished out, deserts are growing. Arable land is shrinking. The four horsemen of the apocalypse are riding across the earth. The momentum of global warming can not be reversed. Yes I am pessimistic.
You are aware that the Justice Department is a separate, and rightfully so, branch of the government? Biden has been very careful not to pressure DOJ to act. He knows what is correct. DJT most certainly does not.
Le Pen.
I had that conversation last night with my husband. Trump is an autocrat our country has taken a turn against democracy and the MAGA’s, low info voters, sexists who would never vote for a woman and racists put him in office. Remember J6? Do you think he’ll leave peacefully in 4 years? He’ll leave when they carry him out feet first. With DOGE, aside from all of the suffering they will happen, why isn’t the MSM talking about the job loss? The Fed employs about 3 million people, so how many will be fired? 1 million? 2 million? And with the mass deportation of 10-20M and tax loss there, who’s going to take those jobs?
Do you think the Senators will really grow a pair and vote against Trump’s nominations? Gaitz was nominated for one purpose- to carry out Trump’s retribution, Hegseth will do with our military whatever Trump wants him to do, ie go after American citizens. We’re fu&@ed. Thanks for letting me rant. I pray to God I’m wrong.
Trump's not an autocrat, he just hasn't changed since he was a wilful toddler. Now he's being manipulated by autocrats who feed his need for flattering attention.
Messing with the American Military has been a career-ender for mōfῠs before....remember Joe McCarthy.
Mr Katz.....you sit in front of your computer screen all day.........what have you done to help plan and organize the resistance??? Would you go into the forests like they did in WW2? When the Orange Gestapo hit the streets.......what will you do??
I spent 3 years agonizing writing a book. As a singer/songwriter, I’ve written and performed my 4 songs castigating him. Do you want blood, now?
Give me a break with the projection stuff.......Magats are the ones calling for blood , there......not going there...... hats off for the protest songs.
Just being a harbinger........things could get really ugly when the Orange stormtroopers take over the streets
Sometimes change doesn't happen until things reach rock bottom....
Bill, my husband and I actually discussed this only because of desperation. Lots of people are in for a big surprise.
Actually, America will just now come back to life. Thank you for your optimism. Over 76 million people don’t think like you imagine that. ?
Return to Sender.........Putin Plant picking up his rubles
How do we get him blocked, WJB?
If you people keep talking Putin, you’re gonna lose every election for the next 12 years. Stop the nonsense. Stop the nonsense. Don’t let Adam Schiff be your poster child
That is like your Mother used to say…..if everybody jumped off a cliff,would you jump too? Just because the crowd did? Have you ever considered that 76 million people….not quite half of voters are wrong? They have been propagandized by some very clever wordsmiths who skew facts by skewing language. Followers follow. Leaders Lead
Almost 74 million did, imagine that?
Meanwhile here in Idaho dairy farmers fear how the mass deportation plan will negatively impact their industry. Our legislature has been overtaken by trumpf idjits. We were thrilled to read Simpsons comment. Fingers crossed he votes his conscience.
I hope their ignorance bites them in the a$$ and really hard. Perhaps the pain will wake them from their deep sleep. They consistently never get it … and look at where we are now. Except for the top 1%, we are all paying for it.
There’s two types of ignorance - the first where you believe the bullcrap, and don’t mind the drastic consequences as long as it’s happening to someone else. The second, the one which I’m referring to, is where your mental health or physical challenges or age etc prevent you from engaging in the state of the world, and you live with an inherent belief that hard won human rights and public services will always be there for you as the safety net they were created to be.
I don’t know what to say. I’m so sorry about your sister. The entire situation has me sick. I have four grandchildren. Will they ever know the America I grew up in, warts and all.
Thank you Phyllis, it is dark times indeed. I sincerely hope that things right themselves for your dear grandchildren. I strongly believe that the good guys always win. We may have lost the battle but we’ll win the war.
But she and many like her probably voted Red and Maga.
She isn’t registered to vote and said there’s no point. I didn’t want to worry her so left it at that. I’d say she’d be totally saturated in fake news and surrounded by Trump supporters. Alternatively she’s one of the 93 million who don’t want to know. A lot of people I know find politics excruciatingly boring or of no interest, or think that not voting is a rebellious act 🤷♀️
Let us know how she progresses through all of this upheaval.
People that are decent human beings don’t refer to other similar human beings as rednecks. And try to frighten them with things that will never happen.
R.D.
Russian propaganda is demonstrably extremely effective. Clearly Putin has achieved his goal of bringing down the U.S. without firing a shot. Targeting the existing prejudices, fears and lack of critical thinking skills in much of the populace was more powerful than a nuke. It’s devastating.
With cooperation from American oligarchs.
Panther, “there is nothing persuasive, no, not one”
Only when they feel the pain they “mischievously” wish on “others” will they struggle to figure iut how to blame their misery on Biden and the Libs
Guaranteed anything and everything that goes wrong will be blamed on Biden. That's exactly what Trump did for at least the 1st two years of his failed, disastrous presidency. Everything was Obama's fault.
Exactly, trump will turn his propaganda machine on, a la Josef Goebbels, & his minions will blame who ever the victim du jour is.
So right, 100, mean for me to say that covid didn't kill off "enough Republican voters. Sadly, that vaccine "hesitancy" also extended to Blacks, who also disproportionly died from Covid - likely men more than women.
Panthers, I kept hearing that if we just talked one to one with those brainwashed souls, we might be able to persuade them. I have seen no evidence of that. And, when even Republicans who told the brainwashed what Trump was really like and they ignored all of what they said and voted for him anyway, it is hard not to think they deserve what happens to them. The only problem is that all the rest of us will be hurt and some even killed too for their ignorance and unwillingness to put a little time into thinking and getting out of their bubble. Ugh!
I get this from my MAGAt cohort all the freaking time. One chowder head just posted "Hey, Tulsi Gabbard is a Mustang! OooRah!" She's also a Russian asset that wouldn't be able to pass a background check, but that doesn't matter to them.
For those unaware of MilSpeak, that is a former enlisted military person who becomes an officer.
And DonOLD DID pay those who attended his rallies, something he accused Kamala of doing. I was amazed at how little publicity the 15000 people he left stranded in the desert got. That story got quashed instantly.
I am I was shocked that many people truly believe he is going to fix it all.
We no longer have a government. We have a cult.
We have opposition Democrats. And they will stand tall. They must, and we must support them.
They need to read this and immediately ACT accordingly. https://substack.com/inbox/post/151721941?r=1nic41&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web&triedRedirect=true
Still waiting to hear about validity of the Greg Palast claim that 2.7 million votes were ditched. According to the Philly papers, where a hand recount is taking place, we lost Pa in Biden's home area, former Biden supporters. Not Gen Z. Not Blacks. Lost 2 Pa Dem house seats.
WOW! Harris claimed that she was prepared to address anything that appeared suspicious in the vote count. She folded even before all the votes were counted.
I feel like that was the point of Musk calling the election early and the point of flaunting an statistically invisible "unprecedented mandate".
We all backed down too easy and too fast - but that was the point.
https://substack.com/@pjlela/note/c-76502086
Holy shit!! Why isn't this getting more coverage?
Places I've shared this say that it is "too much like" a conspiracy theory.
Another facet of the Trump Strategy that I think we're only seeing now: Democrats are now so afraid of becoming "conspiracy theorists" like the MAGA group that we shy away from anything that could make us like them.
It's like aversion therapy - except insidious and malicious.
Ally, the Bob Casey-McCormick Senate close vote tally was less than the 0.05% PENN statutory trigger. Thus, An official recount must start tomorrow 11/20 & be completed by11/26 & reported out on 11/27.
The PENN Senate race has already launched at least a 1/2 dozen lawsuits. The PENN Supreme Court has already ruled on 2 concerning Mail-Ins & Provisional ballots. McCormick withdrew 1 of his lawsuit over two(2) Ballots last Thursday. Dios Mio amiga.
Shall I say it? OK, ok I won't say it but, see an appropriate Yogi Berra Maxim ....
Right. But, if you read the article, he's not some conspiracy theorists, and he's not spouting a bunch of lies and misinformation. Maybe Rachal Maddow could shed some light.
Max, that is a question that MSM refuses to answer. They all have appeared to fold, including the VP. An important point that Spoonamore has included in his request for a hand count is the following: Harris probably checked the voting machines right before and right after the election. That's what Musk was counting on. They should have examined the machines when the polling places in the swing states were bombed. That was when Spoonamore says the dirty deed was done. People were distracted. That's where Musk's Starlink technology manipulated the vote. Why Harris refuses to do a simple hand count so far is a puzzle. No one on MSNBC, CNN so far, has been willing to take up the fight.
Daniel, Has this information been sent to main stream media? If so, is msm so afraid of being called "conspiracy theorists" that they are dragging their feet about making this public? Has the Harris campaign or the DNC responded to these claims by Mr Spoonamore? It feels like we are in a pool and drowning and the life guard can't see us, or if she/he does see us drowning, they just don't want to get wet. The data and FACTS in Mr Spoonamore's substack answer to persistent question "how the hell could this have possibly have happened?!?!" If this were true in Pennsylvania, what about Arizona, Nevada, Wisconsin, Michigan?? Look what happened when someone else named Merritt Garland dragged his feet in the interest of being "independent" and "fair and just" .
I've seen MSM address the 'conspiracy theories' to debunk specifically the allegation that Starlink satellites may have been involved in tampering with tabulator machines. Interestingly, it's clear they are aware of Spoonamore's allegation, but debunking a different allegation. We know that the vast majority of machines are isolated from the Internet, but Spoonamore's allegation is that it was the e Poll Books, which in many cases are connected OR that tabulator machines were interfered with in very limited circumstances, directly, by people. The theories Spoonamore advances are all plausible and require attention, even if to verify he is a real, human, American person who is not spreading disinformation. His letter could be simply that. We need verification and then investigation.
Wow
They said they had a plan and a little secret.
This. Isn't. Over.
"They claim a mandate, although as final vote tallies are coming in, it turns out that Trump did not win 50% of the vote, and CNN statistician Harry Enten notes that his margin comes in at 44th out of the 51 elections that have been held since 1824."... Less than 50% is not a Majority... Kamala may have Capitulated too Early... I have also read that Kamala received about 10,000,000 Votes less than Joe Biden did 2020... Those 10,000,00+ Voters stayed Home... DJT received less than a 1,000,000 more Votes than he did in 2020... Per AOC, Kamala should have listened less to the Obama Era insiders, and more to the 'GrassRoots'.... Reuben Gallego impressed me by visiting all the Major Indigenous Enclaves in AZ during his Campaign... They Turned Out For Him... DJT is Mean, Vindictive, and Cruel.. DJT will try to undo all of Joe Biden's accomplishments... Failing that he will try to take Credit for them... DJT is deteriorating noticeably faster now... DJT will cause Chaos in order to mask his Ineptitude... DJT is the "Stable Genius" Businessman who declared Bankruptcy 5-Times... As long as DJT is on the Main Stage, he will cause Chaos... His Minions have been chosen for their Subservience to DJT, not their Competence...
Many of the Dem voters didn’t “stay home “, they were prevented from voting by new voter suppression laws.
The suppression included massive voter registration purges and dozens of lawsuits to make voting more difficult and/or to count fewer votes. The GQP has been shamelessly suppressing voting.
That as Well... Many of the Indigenous Communities were affected by that, Kristi Noem, Gov. of SD, is banned from many of Indigenous Communities in SD for Voter Suppression among other things there...
Abby, you make a good point and it makes one wonder why we haven't heard more about "the big purge."
The corporate media could care less about voter suppression. And there have been millions purged across the country. Does anyone think that these prunes haven't led to disenfranchisement among marginalized voters?
so true.
The group "anonymous" believe that there were votes in swing states that only voted for president, no judges, amendments etc. There were 60 bomb threats at polling stations were everyone except was forced to leave. During the last hurricane, Musk set up starlink satellite over those areas of the country and could have manipulated the vote. (Musk claimed victory before the votes were counted.) Normally, less than <1 would have voted for just president but some how 11% did. They claim the numbers do not make any sense. We need a hand count in all swing states. If the election was truly stolen, there will not be physical ballots bc it was done electronically. All ballots in swing states need to be hand counted. Musk brags that anything can be hacked. I think he's bragging about what he has done.
I feel like the claims of a "stolen election" in 2020 were really a longer game to discredit anyone else who tried to claim a stolen election later.
Think about it. We're trapped now between a rock an a hard place. Calling out our suspicious makes us look like the rabid 2020 deniers and decreases our legitimacy more, spreading more division. Sitting here and allowing it sets a precedent that we'll just roll over and allow ourselves to be played.
How do we navigate this?
Truth is truth despite Goebbels rule to call them what you are and accuse them of what you do.
Yes, truth is truth, but does that matter when people don't listen? I fear the only way for them to truly *see* the truth is to get blindsided by it.
TJB, we navigate this by using discoverable facts and not merely theories or feelings.
"I feel like the claims of a "stolen election" in 2020 were really a longer game to discredit anyone else who tried to claim a stolen election later."
Yup. Just like when my ex accused me of having an affair, so I would look silly when I told anyone what I found out about him and his affair. What he didn't realize is that there were so many other things he was doing that the affair was not important. I just hope there is more that trump and his co-conspirators will get caught doing, enough that the stealing of 2024 won't matter in the long run.
You are so right.
Tjb as I could not find one of your responses I will respond here hopefully you’ll get it.
Yes, I have plenty of time. I’ve retired 12 years ago very happily and very thankful to this America.
And just so you know, I have never been on any social media network until about four weeks ago or so didn’t do Facebook didn’t do. Twitter didn’t do Instagram or any of the others just happened to get a random email from somebody as I started reading more and more. I realize that there are too many people that are not seeing things from both sides of the aisle they are only getting one side of the story and I think it’s important that people see the whole story before they make an evaluation. And that’s it
“Both sides” Really…. Like alternate facts
Patty Dubin, I agree with you. Not because I am a sore loser, but because everyone knows, on its face, this election result made NO SENSE. I think this was the “surprise” that trump and Johnson shared cryptically with American. And I think it’s the reason Musk can have a tantrum, shouting match, or whatever else the hell he wants, with trump or his minions. He’s the guy who delivered the election by hook and apparently by crook. By time it gets proven we will be deep into the lower pits of hell - or as magas call it “trumps second administration”.
Patty, to your point, I agree with TJB in positing that Trump's "stop the steal" campaign served at least two purposes. If immediate success at overturning that election failed, it created a template against which Democrats would look like sore losers and foolish conspiracy theorists if they questioned any future election results. That would lay the groundwork for actually stealing the election without its being questioned. Trump is not that clever, but he surrounds himself with people who are, not the buffoons he places in plain sight but those he keeps in the shadows.
I may sound like a broken record, but it's important to note that Trump and his party have coopted the evangelical wing of Christendom. Evangelicals' whole raison d'être is the long game. They are willing to live a whole lifetime in misery to claim their reward of a "mansion on a gold-paved boulevard" AFTER they die. If that isn't playing the long game, I don't know what is. It also means that when Trump makes their lives a living hell, they will resign themselves to believing it's "God's will" that they suffer.
Patty, right on. When I said ‘stolen’ about the election a seemingly educated Dem woman remarked, ‘You sound like T’. I ought to have quickly responded that everything he ever says is about what he does or will do. Pure narcissistic on display.
So. Yes. Probably mush and push.
Thom Hartmann’s written a book about voting that he recently quoted from on a post. Simultaneously fascinating and deeply unsettling.
Seems to me that Kamala Capitulated to Soon.. Reminds me of Al Gore in 2000... Probably to avoid Civil UnRest by the MAGAs... Seeing Joe Biden Shake Hands with DJT reminded me of Hindenburg greeting Hitler... The Fascists in the Republican Party have demonstrated that they will do Anything For Power... The Dark Siths Are Smiling...
Has anyone seen JD or Melania? Apparently Musk had a shouting match with one of Trump's advisors in Mar-a-Lago a couple of days ago.
Good-bye.advisor! And Musk? The inevitable Trump-Musk divorce can't happen soon enough.
Trump won’t be able to tolerate Musk. There can only be one Narcissist-In-Chief at a time. I give him till, say, March.
Maybe much sooner. He's already "joking" about the length of Musk's stay at Mar-a-Lago (stupid name).
It Is InEvitable... Ask Roger Stone, or Steve Bannon...
Well, Bannon appears to be back in T's good graces.
He never left T's good graces.
Trump and Musk are a match made in hell. But if Musk indeed delivered the battleground states to Trump, he will be hard-pressed to give Musk the heave-ho. As with so many of Trump's decisions, the JD choice was impulsive and expedient, one that Trump now regrets. JD has become invisible and will remain that way. As we've all heard, Trump believes "he alone can fix it." Pence showed him that he doesn't need or want a VP.
As for Melania, she has already made it very clear that she has no intention of being a First Lady on this go-round. The only time we'll see her is on the few occasions specified in her contract. Otherwise, she's a cougar on the prowl.
I read Musk hasn’t left Trump’s side since the election. Considering Trumps stage of dementia why aren’t people complaining that we have a shadow President like they did with Biden? No one voted for the illegal immigrant that bought his citizenship. I have not read one word on Vance, not even a line in a story.
Got that right Apache; we are officially not a 50-50 Nation. We are till counting votes in California. Also, 5 U.S. California House seats are still labeled "Toss-Ups".
I'm sorry, but for me, it's more like a junta in development.
Yes, an oligarchy run not on evidence or intelligence, but on greed and hubris. Hang on to your wallets, sanity, and loved ones.
My loved ones were the ones who voted for this. They're, at best, being held at arms length until I'm not so angry anymore.
I take your point, though; time to go make my own family.
Arms length, more like different planet
I wish I could relocate to a different planet... :/
Think 1930s Germany. This is going to be very bad. I'm waiting for opposition figures to start "falling" out of windows or getting into strange accidents.
Ideologues in red, MAGA red, that is.
We have know the Orange cult for years..........the big question is will people fight back with everything........putting our lives on the line or just roll over like Morning Joe and Redcoat Mika.
A data scientist, Stephen Spoonamore, strongly suspects a hack took place during the 2024 election. He speaks of tremendous numbers of “bullet votes” for Trump, occurring in just the swing states. A bullet vote is where there is only one selection in one race out of the entire ballot.
For example in Arizona and Nevada, 5% and 7% of the ballots were people who only voted for Trump.
He explains how easily it could occur particularly with the ability of Starlink, headed by Elon Musk. He also explains that a hand recount would clear this up.
Mr. Spoonamore is imploring Kamila Harris to request a HAND RECOUNT as only she can do. He states that a hand recount will determine the correct number of votes for the 2024 presidential election.
People interested in pushing for Harris to have a hand recount should contact SMARTELECTIONS.US
https://youtu.be/RJR5uQpweko?si=TkumDVYkuikthlKn
Stephen Spoonamore substack.com/@spoonamore
Stephen Spoonamore Twitter/Threads/BlueSky: @spoonamore SUBSCRIBE
I sent his substack article to Senator Angus King. I'm sure all of the Senators are aware.
PA is doing a recount of their Senate race. If Shapiro can couple that with a PA Presidential recount, then perhaps some of the shenanigans mentioned by Spoonamore will come to light. And if they do in PA, then that could lead to recounts in the other swing states.
Not to mention the money muskrat was passing around. How many $50 bills were given out to get those bullet ballots?
Never forget:
I don't need anymore votes, I have all the votes I need.
Said months before the election and then he proceeded to do things to turn voters away. Not logical for this result.
Muskrat and Miriam Adelson bought the election.
The answer is simple, look at the social media post for Trump, according to those lies everything from inflation to the stock market was described as horrible. Based on these lies the momentum went through the roof. If we don't change our message to small burst on social media we will not reach the majority of people. CBS, ABC news and maybe even HCR should have reposted the list of lies and exposed those Facebook post for what they were. Dems lost on economy and immigration. Biden has done a great job, with 7% interest rates but that info is not posted where most people can see it.
I Blame the media
I have been making this point in NYT comment sections and they will not print my comments, except when I say anything but the media is complicit. Considering dropping the NYT for the Guardian now. What a shame, because some of their articles are beautiful.
BBC seems reliable too.
I deleted Xitter apps from PC and phone. I use Threads and Substack. Need to try BlueSky. It may be beyond my limited capacity. If I can get news about Ukraine then it will be worth learning.
Substack and BlueSky seem to be where it is at imo.
I read it and implore Harris to push for a recount. Don't really care if Republicans call us sore losers or whatever. They were prepared to completely contest the election if they lost. Why aren't Democrats prepared to do the same? The stakes are enormous.
A Risk-limiting audit (RLA) which is a randomized audit comparing paper result to tabulator is very effective in determining errors. If done by each state it would certainly call out any shenanigans. It is easy to do and statistically relevant. If errors are noted, then a more complete audit would be warranted. Here is more information. https://www.ncsl.org/elections-and-campaigns/risk-limiting-audits. Here is a very good article about our election systems, their weaknesses and other interesting information. https://harpers.org/archive/2012/11/how-to-rig-an-election/.
> For example in Arizona and Nevada, 5% and 7% of the ballots were people who only voted for Trump.
I hate to say it guys, but some people really only did vote for Trump and no one else. Nothing was hacked, we are in the grief stage and trying to figure it out, but when stuff like this gains critical mass and we can't separate fact from fiction then we are 2 steps away from sounding like the MAGA folks back in 2020 right now. Let's be better.
Yes, PhillyT, some people voted only for Trump. According to Spoonamore, since 1980 that’s been about 1% of the vote. In Non-Swing states this time, it’s about the same. In North Carolina it was 11% of Trump’s vote. NC just elected Democrat, Josh Stein, for governor. If the stats are correct, a recount will show the situation.
We spend a lot of energy to avoid being seen as the same as MAGAts.
True. But what if.
I’m right there with you, sister. I can’t believe how brainwashed my neighbors are, either. I’ve mentioned to a few of them the MAGA plan to cut SS and Medicare, and I get looks of incredulity.
The problem is they only listen to right wing news and blogs, etc. My brother is in deep into the cult and no amount of telling the truth gets through - it's all fake news to them. Very frustrating and scary.
Right there with you, Terry. It's frustrating, exhausting, and feels absolutely hopeless trying to talk to family who refuse any information other than what they already believe.
My grandfather, rest his soul, had a saying about how unreasonable people think: I've already made up my mind, don't try and confuse me with facts.
I miss him more and more with all this going on.
That is why we have to change our delivery method. Short list of what we are doing right and what they are lying about BTW, MAGA is not cutting social security they are going to defund it, same result. Bush took at 1.3 billion (someone can sure up that number) to cut tax for rich and pay for his war
Bush blew up the deficit by attempting to pay for a two theater war without raising extra revenue, and by instituting Medicare D without the ability to negotiate drug prices.
My dad is in the demographic you would think would support Trump, but my family and I all detest him and we voted for Kamala Harris. My dad watches Mika and Morning Joe and I’m disgusted at their capitulation to the Orange Menace.
They killed their audience
They've been got at. You don't forget the disgusting things he used to say about her on Twitter.
With complete respect for your reaction to this gentleman who helped with your cart, may I suggest another road? I’ve had several experiences like this before and especially after the election….I guess just because I like to engage with people at grocery store lines, etc. When given a completely inaccurate, often bombastic statement as that gentleman gave you, I do not choose to refute it or politely disengage from the convo. I will usually say something like….”tell me more about that. Like what do you mean by it’s going to be better. What is going to be better? Please share.”
I find this is the start of road to get the state of misinformation out in the open and to put it in question for even the staunchest of Trump allies. To me, Trump has shown people that he will carry such lies as to make them feel perfectly ok about being misinformed. It’s truly the most wicked quality of a grifter. So when YOU ask with genuine interest to such a misinformed “believer” to explain or let you in on what they “know”, you create a space to allow Light to enter the interpersonal space between two people. And with that, can come realization and healing.
Forget thinking that “all these people that voted for (fill in name or issue) are going to get their asses whupped like the rest of us and won’t they be sorry.” Why in the world do we want retribution? I just do not want people to obey in advance. We must move forward together.
I continue to start each day and during these times, more than once a day, remind myself…We are all in this together. There is enough to go around. And “We” is We the People.
Love has no opposite. Light always prevails.
So be a beacon. And not a flashlight to point out “mistakes”.
Mistakes do not need to be pointed out or shamed. Merely a normal exercise in learning.
I like being the parking lot teacher. Wherever the parking lot pops up.
Salud, Jill!
🗽💜
Beacon, not flashlight. Thanks, Christine.
Salud, Christine!
My standard reply to these buffoons is "I hope you get everything you voted for". Usually gets a momentary blank stare, a 'glitch', if you will, that is absolutely priceless.
"I hope you have the day you deserve" is my favorite customer service sign off. Same vibe, I love it.
My great grandmother (born during Grant's administration), told me, a 10 year old at the time, "Be careful what you ask for because you always get what you are asking for."
It was said in such a way that you knew she meant you were too often asking for a swat by a flyswatter by your behavior.
Love it.
I know we all want to yell...but just ask him why he believes that ? Based on what information ? and see what he says...then follow up
He's not real. Ignore.
who is not real ? There's too many people in this thread.
These threads are *terribly* organized too, especially when sorting by "Most Popular" cause everyone likes things so fast that it changes on a dime, so that doesn't help either. I'm sure by now you've found who they were talking about though, lol
I haven't and honestly I don't care...what difference does it make ?
Honeslty, not much unless you're looking for a fight which is going to kill brain cells.
Keep on keeping on, Mike.
Not all of them are real.
Mike, you're just being silly. After 10 years, we all know Trump doesn't do facts. Maybe alternative facts once in a while, but not real facts.
Gary, I've heard Trump/Fox talking points coming out of my sister's mouth...and my sister is a lovely human being...and I ask her why she thinks that? She tells me friends or the TV...and I tell her what I believe is true and why. We will discuss it and she usually walks away with a new outlook. I'm just advocating that people try that approach rather than saying nothing, or yelling. It won't always work...but sometimes it does.
I agree with you, though I get that it’s harder with strangers than with family. Or maybe not.
I find it much easier with strangers, at least in person. Strangers have this thin barrier of social propriety that keeps things civil (in person) for at least a bit.
Family hits you hard and where it hurts and doesn't care for civility.
MLMinET,
"Maybe Not" is factual and especially heart-rending. One of my children completely gets it. The other looks at me like I have lost my "marbles" and smiles. My son who has passed away, understood who Trump and his minions were from the beginning. He was not afraid to share with his friends and family.
It depends on how "strange" the stranger is....A Universal truth that I believe is we are constantly co-creating with others. To not engage is a choice of one kind...to engage is another...and "success" is something else.
The propaganda has already shifted. For 4 yrs it was “the worst economy”. Now the Fox chirons have done a 180 already. They didn’t even wait until Jan 20. Everything good from here on out will be attributed to the upcoming arrival of their orange lord and savior, and anything bad attributed to the prior administration or those not even in power. The propaganda is just so powerful I don’t know how America ever gets fixed. And they know this. They know they have the cards. All we can do is focus on close ones around us and try to get into their universe, because on the mass public scale we’ve lost that war.
I would say, yes Biden's policies are taking effect.
I would have said “no, you’re wrong. Prices will rise…” I’m not criticizing your response because we’re all exhausted, but refusing to discuss lets them believe they are right and others believe as they do. These are the people that exist in that bubble that elected tfg.
Remembering always that "a soft answer turneth away wrath".
Yeah, riding that line between compassion/goodness and truth/fact is going to be rough the next several years. Thanks for the reminder, though.
Nowadays we call it "diplomacy". If anyone still practises it.
I just listened to a talk by Carol Off, a noted Canadian author and journalist, who showed how "how well the economy is doing" is strongly partisan and subjective, regardless of the state of the real economy. Great example, sad to say, you just provided, Jill. In a way , you might want to hope MAGA carries out its extreme social support cuts in order to finance its extension of tax cuts to the wealthy, with enough "buyers' remorse" come the mid terms, Trump will be isolated in the WH against Democratic majorities in the House and Senate.
Frank, I've also thought about the very same result. My belief is, come the midterms in this election cycle, republicans will be scrambling to explain their failures. For them, it may well be too little too late. I also believe the chances for a 3rd impeachment on tfg will be the charm. Even republicans may well say: "enough is enough!!"
I'm not sure "another" impeachment trial will be in anyone's best interest. Hamstringing Trump in his last 2 years would be best, I imagine. If that can indeed be pulled off.
How optimistic you people are.
It's good to be optimistic.
As Churchill said, of what use is it to be anything else….
Let's say, creatively hopeful...
I say premature compliance is already afoot. Our guardrails are made of wet spaghetti
I read an article recommended by another user here from the Journal of Democracy which was enlightening and spoke on the importance of perspective vs reality.
It doesn't fully focus on that topic, but it was a very intriguing read.
https://www.journalofdemocracy.org/articles/misunderstanding-democratic-backsliding/
"Backsliding is less a result of democracies failing to deliver than of democracies failing to constrain the predatory political ambitions and methods of certain elected leaders." We also need to remember that partisan perceptions are often assiduously cultivated and shaped by political elites.
When trumpists accost us with their faulty views, I think we’ll have to start responding. Silence implies agreement.
No apologies needed. Your take on this is right on the money!
My daughter had a apt response to a construction guy in an elevator who was happy about Trump getting elected. She said in response 'women are going to be f***ked, but not the way we like'.
It seems that there are many instances where ethics are sorely lacking. This Election cycle certainly illustrated the case regarding honest, unbiased media coverage and reporting. Of course… a stupid electorate are willing dupes for these unethical individuals.