Two more Oath Keepers sentenced for seditious conspiracy. So far each getting 10 to 18 years. If we are to remain a nation of laws, I don’t see how Roger Stone and TFG don’t get at least 20 as ring leaders of J6.
Republicans insist that the law says whatever they want it to say, just by their saying so, if not just by their thinking about it,;and they say it so often that a lot of people believe it. Mr. Smith may not concur.
This is the MOST important point, J L Graham: “..the law is whatever they want it to say”. THIS is the heart of our fight. The Bill of Rights, the Declaration of Independence, and The Constitution were crafted as a rules-based-system. But man finds great sport in creative interpretations to retain power for the powerful. The craziness that this game burdens people with IS the nut of our “mental-health crisis”. Truly: No Justice, No Peace. Know Justice, Know Peace.
That's exactly it. That's the authoritarian mindset. Laws and government are there only to serve the interests of The Party and the Leader. There are no underlying principles, only loyalty to whatever The Party the the Leader decree to be correct.
Reality Winner got 5 years for one classified document. How many classified documents have been found in Trump’s possession since he left office? PBS says about 300. 5x 300 = 1500 years. That should do it. No need to take extreme measures.
"As for TFG discussing at least one classified document with non-authorized people, what penalty should he face for that?"
TFG should be facing an absolute minimum of 20 years in prison for that crime. The prison should be a supermax prison or the military prison at Fort Leavenworth. His crime is a most serious issue. My suggested punishment has nothing to do with my anger or resentment that he's already gotten away with so much. (Check current laws about disclosure of such classified data to other people.)
Many years ago in the Army, I had a TS/SCI clearance. When my fellow high-level clearance soldiers and I were indoctrinated about the seriousness of disclosing classified information, we were told, "If you say one word--ONE WORD--about material you're working with, you can receive 20 years in prison." That's military prison at Ft. Leavenworth, not some Club Fed. Leavenworth is where they sent Chelsea Manning.
If TFG gets away without doing time for this most recent classified material disclosure crime, I will have absolutely no remaining faith in my country's willingness to administer justice. I'm sure I'm not alone in this thinking.
I really think the most fitting place to lock trump up would be Fort Monroe in VA. They could use the same cell Jefferson Davis was locked up in after the Civil War. It is a national historical site but just think how many people would pay big dollars to walk by the cell with trump. Name your price. Might pay off the national debt.
Good idea. Further, videos could be made of trump in his cell for an hour or so. Sell them all over the world. Title it "JUSTICE." Maybe the revenues could pay back the $2,000,000,000 trump and jared kushner received from the Saudi prince for not making a big deal about the killing and dismemberment of journalist Kashogi.
Does TFG insist that both parents be US citizens for the baby to be a US citizen? If so, Baron, Ivanka, Don or Eric would not be US citizens. Karma.
As for TFG discussing at least one classified document with non-authorized people, what penalty should he face for that?
Just asking…..(attempting Carlson questioning face)
Mary, As to the penalty for the classified document....I think it is death, if he is tried and convicted of, wait for it.....TREASON!
He should face a penalty of 20 years in the Florence SuperMax in solitary confinement.
Two more Oath Keepers sentenced for seditious conspiracy. So far each getting 10 to 18 years. If we are to remain a nation of laws, I don’t see how Roger Stone and TFG don’t get at least 20 as ring leaders of J6.
https://apple.news/AygKC2Zi0TFSeyZ65Y73Z4w
Roger Stone has been quite quiet!
Roger Stone needs to be in whatever max prison, key lost or dropped in the Pacific “trench.”
Yes. That would be much better than a quick death...a very slow miserable one. Perfect!
TC, Just twenty years???
That's the actual max for the crime of Espionage. At his age, it's a death sentence, so I'm good with it.
It just... feels like it should be longer?
I've known people who served a longer sentence for marrying the wrong person.
Will, you just gave me night sweats deja vu
That's a gut punch to read.
8x10, no window. Maybe an hour a day in the yard. Certain to accelerate Alzheimer’s.
Republicans insist that the law says whatever they want it to say, just by their saying so, if not just by their thinking about it,;and they say it so often that a lot of people believe it. Mr. Smith may not concur.
This is the MOST important point, J L Graham: “..the law is whatever they want it to say”. THIS is the heart of our fight. The Bill of Rights, the Declaration of Independence, and The Constitution were crafted as a rules-based-system. But man finds great sport in creative interpretations to retain power for the powerful. The craziness that this game burdens people with IS the nut of our “mental-health crisis”. Truly: No Justice, No Peace. Know Justice, Know Peace.
That's exactly it. That's the authoritarian mindset. Laws and government are there only to serve the interests of The Party and the Leader. There are no underlying principles, only loyalty to whatever The Party the the Leader decree to be correct.
There was a belief in justice and the essential goodness fairness of people interpreting the laws... norms. We see now otherwise.
Reality Winner got 5 years for one classified document. How many classified documents have been found in Trump’s possession since he left office? PBS says about 300. 5x 300 = 1500 years. That should do it. No need to take extreme measures.
Please, consecutive sentences
"Wait, if Ivanka isn't a citizen, but I still am, does that mean I can date her now instead?"
Urk.
Urk Indeed!!!
Thanks, Will, from Cal. I love it when people go all normal on here. Brings things back to earth. ☺️
That's how he thinks...
"As for TFG discussing at least one classified document with non-authorized people, what penalty should he face for that?"
TFG should be facing an absolute minimum of 20 years in prison for that crime. The prison should be a supermax prison or the military prison at Fort Leavenworth. His crime is a most serious issue. My suggested punishment has nothing to do with my anger or resentment that he's already gotten away with so much. (Check current laws about disclosure of such classified data to other people.)
Many years ago in the Army, I had a TS/SCI clearance. When my fellow high-level clearance soldiers and I were indoctrinated about the seriousness of disclosing classified information, we were told, "If you say one word--ONE WORD--about material you're working with, you can receive 20 years in prison." That's military prison at Ft. Leavenworth, not some Club Fed. Leavenworth is where they sent Chelsea Manning.
If TFG gets away without doing time for this most recent classified material disclosure crime, I will have absolutely no remaining faith in my country's willingness to administer justice. I'm sure I'm not alone in this thinking.
I really think the most fitting place to lock trump up would be Fort Monroe in VA. They could use the same cell Jefferson Davis was locked up in after the Civil War. It is a national historical site but just think how many people would pay big dollars to walk by the cell with trump. Name your price. Might pay off the national debt.
Good idea. Further, videos could be made of trump in his cell for an hour or so. Sell them all over the world. Title it "JUSTICE." Maybe the revenues could pay back the $2,000,000,000 trump and jared kushner received from the Saudi prince for not making a big deal about the killing and dismemberment of journalist Kashogi.
Ah yes . . . the Traitors' Zoo.
Oh, Mary. Mary, Mary, Mary. Those kids are white. That exception will be part of the EO, don't ya know.
THEY didn't come from sh*thole countries tho! Let's get clear about who's not ok.