Republicans caused this. Democrats are being the adults in the room. Again. And again and again.
Stop whining. Pull up our collective socks and re-elect Biden, take back the House, and increase the margin in the Senate.
If the good people of Santos’ districted had sussed him out and elected a democrat, McCarthy’s bill would not have passed. If just one of those new red districts in NY or Florida had gone blue, McCarthy’s bill would have failed. If just a 547 voters in Colorado had voted for Democrat Adam Frisch, McCarthy’s bill would have failed. If there had been just one more sane normal Republican vote, McCarthy’s bill would have failed.
Once that bill passed, it took away much of the leverage the democrats might have had.
So, what do you want Biden to do? He is not dealing with normal sane people. He is dealing with people who want him and the Dems to fail and they see defaulting as a way to make that happen. The Unfreedom caucus is on record as saying that. As is the twice impeached, sex assaulter, criminal defendant, insurrectionist, former guy.
The alternative stealth bill that would “only require 5 sane Republican votes” isn’t going to happen. There aren’t those votes to be had.
Invoking the 14th amendment to pay the bills will be tied up in court, undermining the credibility of the USA. Would you lend money to the government under those circumstances?
Stop complaining about Biden. There is no young, handsome, charismatic, articulate, electable White Knight waiting in the wings to ride to the rescue. Biden cares about this country and it’s citizens.
When it is apparent that Congress is screwing around and will not agree to what Biden and McCarthy have agreed to Joe must invoke the constitution and move on from this right wing treasonous debacle.
I will let you know. Late night here. No I will look at it until tomorrow.
Blessed Memorial Day to you all.
My family always remembers my uncle, whom none of us now living ever knew. He was my dad’s brother, a marine who died Pacific theater in March 1945. Just a few months before the Japanese surrendered.
Who else on this forum has ever tried talking to these maganuts? I remember Heather labeling a "bat-shit crazy" neighbor of hers, I have had several encounters here in the home of the proud boys, one HAS to back slowly away...
Good job Biden, WE need to to throw the crazies out up and down the ballots.
Yesterday we went to an annual Memorial Day party hosted by the guy who renovated our house. Pretty sure that of the 100+ partygoers we were the only liberals there. Some MAGA and Second Amendment t-shirts and bumper stickers, but no one discussed politics. We talked about kids and schools and work and the weather. A lot of fun and good feelings. These people are not crazy. They are apolitical. They have been fed lies, and they believe them. We need to find a way to get them the truth, and we won't do that by calling them evil or crazy. Sure, some of them are batshit crazy, and some of them are dangerous, but of the 74 million, most are just apolitical and misinformed. We need to inform them without anger or hostility. Maybe printing out HRCs letters for our neighbors is a place to start!
I do print out letters, i do share, AND i do, now, "talk politics". Silence is now complicity imho.
This is why i can also now distinguish between the folks who are "apolitical, and proud of it" vs the the few, loud, vocal, bat shit crazies, of which, i slowly back away.
I agree. I talk politics, but when the moment is fertile. Questioning a guy's politics at his own party wasn't one of those moments, but I do talk to him 1-on-1, and I call out misinformation.
By apolitical I just mean they don't follow politics or the news closely at all, don't seek out varied sources, don't question what they hear, and don't do much more than vote, if that.
I agree. The people you mention are misled, not crazy. Perhaps they can be made to see why they should not vote for the bat shit crazy Jim Jordans and Chip Roys and Tommy Tuberbills and George Santoses, to name but a few.
Dems: find some clear, understandable, honest messaging and get it out there consistently!
I’m one who continues to try and talk with folks on the “other side”. These are people that I worked with, served our community with, and (with some of them) faced life-threatening danger with. They are, by and large, good people who have been fed a package of goods that they take as gospel, because it feeds their psyche. You can argue that this means they are not “good” people, but I think it reveals more about the propaganda than the person.
One of them summed up this divide thusly: “Remember that we think of you the same way you think of us”. There is no real talking to them. Their sky is a different color than ours.
To my mind, this underscores the fragility of the whole system - incredibly important issues hinge on one or 2 votes!! - what might be driving this shift to the right? An inchoate dread of a quite unimaginable future - "I wanna go back to my grandpa's time" - and it affects all of us. CHAT GPT probably taking away jobs, the weather ain't what it used to be , most of my new neighbours are dark skinned.. and the list goes on. Is there a solution??
Ok, what is driving this shift to the right is a 40 year campaign, well funded by wealthy individuals like the Kochs and like-minded wealthy people who have the fantasy the the robber baron unregulated world pre World War One, to game the democratic system of governance in this country until the control it, don’t you think? The Federalist Society exists to get intellectually challenged and emotionally stunted individuals like John Roberts into the Supreme Court. The Citizen’s United decision, allowing anonymous corporate “persons” to contribute to politician’s campaigns was probably the decision that was the death knell for our democratic republic, because voting only works if everyone has a vote they gets counted and respected.
Thank you for helping people understand the reality of this coup against our country and people's intelligence. An intentional dumbing down our our educaitonal systems and a deliberate use of propaganda tools which is brainwashing and neurolinguistic programming done on a 24 hour, daily dose of lies, anger and fear. Draped in the flag and religion. It is intentional and insidious. And I know intelligent people who watched fox constantly. I watched their critical thinking skills fade away where now they appear to be artificial intelligence from Kellyanne's frightening alternate reality.
This is damned scary people— we are the targets and need to protect ourselves and our country from this kind of fascist mind control. Hitler was able to get humans to commit the most atrocious crimes against humanity. Take heed to what Meredith says above. If you have tried to talk to those who are brainwashed, you will mostly find you can not reach them. A slow, deprogramming process has to take place. the same with all cult members. They must be isolated from the mob rallies and destructive programming. Trump & Co. are making sure they are not able to critically think. J6 was the perfect example of the cult behavior willing to risk their own lives and careers and reputations by becoming terrorists against American and harming our police, our Capital, and attempted murder of our VP and Speaker of the House. third in line for the presidency. Wake up America.
Being Woke is a good thing. THE DEFINITION OF WOKE IS BEING AWARE OF AND ACTIVELY ATTENTIVE TO IMPORTANT SOCIETAL FACTS AND ISSUES (ESPECIALLY ISSUES OF RACIAL AND SOCIAL JUSTICE). This is why desantis is banning books and controlling history. He does not want you to think. I am not sure what his orders are from the Federalist or Heritage societies, but I guarantee the orders are not good for people who are NOT white supremacists wearing flags, carrying bibles and weapons of mass destruction and guns whilst they steal all your rights.
I agree with everything you have said. I have watched sadly and desperately as many of my relatives and close friends have succumbed to Fox and MAGA or just tuned out since Trump was elected.
Has that ever been any different? Not in my lifetime. Seems there’s always been a crisis albeit varied , nonetheless critical. The dream house requires constant care, the grass cut regularly, the driveway resurfaced, and eventually even owners change. ‘The fight of our lives’ thought the Indians, The Jews, and now ..us.
Sky, your advice is correct; my only problem with it is that the next presidential election is too far away to toss out the vandals in the House. Who knows what mayhem will occur before then? Trump still has the power, the Freedom Caucus is gaining traction, and the summer riot and secession activities are still on call. The sentences meted out to ringleaders will incent others to fill those leadership gaps, as we saw in Iraq when Hussein was eliminated. Power abhors a vacuum.
SKY 777 very well said and for what it’s worth I see it that way as well. Is it extremely unfortunate- to put it mildly- that this situation was concocted by the extremists? Yes! But when we take back the house, etc in 2024, after the 2 year delay, there is the great possibility of righting this wrong.
I’d add to that Sky777... there’s plenty of blame for them to reserve some for the mistakes made in general which ,no doubt , WE’VE had some hand in too.
Is there not many amongst us who believe the lesson p(s) in a/the folly? And further ..is it not peeking through the din? I’d stand on the growing evidence of these wonderfully woke votes provoked, hear hear🙌
I dare not predict what 11/ 2024 will provide in a dazzling display of blue ...no , but I can sure hope ... students , rev your engines 😉
Republicans caused this. Democrats are being the adults in the room. Again. And again and again.
Stop whining. Pull up our collective socks and re-elect Biden, take back the House, and increase the margin in the Senate.
If the good people of Santos’ districted had sussed him out and elected a democrat, McCarthy’s bill would not have passed. If just one of those new red districts in NY or Florida had gone blue, McCarthy’s bill would have failed. If just a 547 voters in Colorado had voted for Democrat Adam Frisch, McCarthy’s bill would have failed. If there had been just one more sane normal Republican vote, McCarthy’s bill would have failed.
Once that bill passed, it took away much of the leverage the democrats might have had.
So, what do you want Biden to do? He is not dealing with normal sane people. He is dealing with people who want him and the Dems to fail and they see defaulting as a way to make that happen. The Unfreedom caucus is on record as saying that. As is the twice impeached, sex assaulter, criminal defendant, insurrectionist, former guy.
The alternative stealth bill that would “only require 5 sane Republican votes” isn’t going to happen. There aren’t those votes to be had.
Invoking the 14th amendment to pay the bills will be tied up in court, undermining the credibility of the USA. Would you lend money to the government under those circumstances?
Stop complaining about Biden. There is no young, handsome, charismatic, articulate, electable White Knight waiting in the wings to ride to the rescue. Biden cares about this country and it’s citizens.
Sky 777--Do listen to Tom Hanks' address at the Harvard Commencement ceremony. He deals with the White Knight mentality pretty well.
Just listened.
Best speech I have ever heard.
KEM, thank you for introducing us to this speech and providing a link!
Link please
His speech starts at about 6:20 into this video. Enjoy! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eg9PbLvxlSY
Oh my word, thank you for sharing. That was humbling and beautiful. 💜💙💜
That's a wonderful speech. I watched it from start to finish. No stone unturned.
These are the diamonds I seek daily (laced by the ads I so detest but suffer through as someone has to pay the piper).
Thanks
Thank you, KEM!
Thanks for the link!
Tom Hanks is a national treasure and his words should provide encouragement to us all.
Thanks very much for the link, KEM.
Let me recommend that you all watch Tom Hanks' touching new film, "A Man Called Otto."
Yes. A Man Called Otto based on the wonderful book A Man Named Ove.
Thank you! Excellent presentation!
Thank you for the link! A great way to start the day - and the rest of our lives.
Thank you
Awesome, thank you!
A/o 5/29/23 @ 11:53 p.m., this video is no longer available, due to a Harvard University copyright claim.
IOW, Harvard did not take his words to heart. How very sad.
How can they copyright words authored by Tom Hanks? This one still seems to work: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dkPo5nfEk1w
Yes! Thank you!
When it is apparent that Congress is screwing around and will not agree to what Biden and McCarthy have agreed to Joe must invoke the constitution and move on from this right wing treasonous debacle.
Thanks!
Thank you. I have shared link with friends and family.
And how have they responded?
I will let you know. Late night here. No I will look at it until tomorrow.
Blessed Memorial Day to you all.
My family always remembers my uncle, whom none of us now living ever knew. He was my dad’s brother, a marine who died Pacific theater in March 1945. Just a few months before the Japanese surrendered.
"He is not dealing with normal sane people".
Who else on this forum has ever tried talking to these maganuts? I remember Heather labeling a "bat-shit crazy" neighbor of hers, I have had several encounters here in the home of the proud boys, one HAS to back slowly away...
Good job Biden, WE need to to throw the crazies out up and down the ballots.
Yesterday we went to an annual Memorial Day party hosted by the guy who renovated our house. Pretty sure that of the 100+ partygoers we were the only liberals there. Some MAGA and Second Amendment t-shirts and bumper stickers, but no one discussed politics. We talked about kids and schools and work and the weather. A lot of fun and good feelings. These people are not crazy. They are apolitical. They have been fed lies, and they believe them. We need to find a way to get them the truth, and we won't do that by calling them evil or crazy. Sure, some of them are batshit crazy, and some of them are dangerous, but of the 74 million, most are just apolitical and misinformed. We need to inform them without anger or hostility. Maybe printing out HRCs letters for our neighbors is a place to start!
I do print out letters, i do share, AND i do, now, "talk politics". Silence is now complicity imho.
This is why i can also now distinguish between the folks who are "apolitical, and proud of it" vs the the few, loud, vocal, bat shit crazies, of which, i slowly back away.
I agree. I talk politics, but when the moment is fertile. Questioning a guy's politics at his own party wasn't one of those moments, but I do talk to him 1-on-1, and I call out misinformation.
Also, the apolitical people I encounter don't know they are apolitical, so they aren't boasting about it. They believe they are informed.
By apolitical I just mean they don't follow politics or the news closely at all, don't seek out varied sources, don't question what they hear, and don't do much more than vote, if that.
I agree. The people you mention are misled, not crazy. Perhaps they can be made to see why they should not vote for the bat shit crazy Jim Jordans and Chip Roys and Tommy Tuberbills and George Santoses, to name but a few.
Dems: find some clear, understandable, honest messaging and get it out there consistently!
I’m one who continues to try and talk with folks on the “other side”. These are people that I worked with, served our community with, and (with some of them) faced life-threatening danger with. They are, by and large, good people who have been fed a package of goods that they take as gospel, because it feeds their psyche. You can argue that this means they are not “good” people, but I think it reveals more about the propaganda than the person.
One of them summed up this divide thusly: “Remember that we think of you the same way you think of us”. There is no real talking to them. Their sky is a different color than ours.
Sad
My thoughts Lynn. I doubt the maganuts have ever done without or been told no and they may have never done real work in a day!
To my mind, this underscores the fragility of the whole system - incredibly important issues hinge on one or 2 votes!! - what might be driving this shift to the right? An inchoate dread of a quite unimaginable future - "I wanna go back to my grandpa's time" - and it affects all of us. CHAT GPT probably taking away jobs, the weather ain't what it used to be , most of my new neighbours are dark skinned.. and the list goes on. Is there a solution??
Ok, what is driving this shift to the right is a 40 year campaign, well funded by wealthy individuals like the Kochs and like-minded wealthy people who have the fantasy the the robber baron unregulated world pre World War One, to game the democratic system of governance in this country until the control it, don’t you think? The Federalist Society exists to get intellectually challenged and emotionally stunted individuals like John Roberts into the Supreme Court. The Citizen’s United decision, allowing anonymous corporate “persons” to contribute to politician’s campaigns was probably the decision that was the death knell for our democratic republic, because voting only works if everyone has a vote they gets counted and respected.
Thank you for helping people understand the reality of this coup against our country and people's intelligence. An intentional dumbing down our our educaitonal systems and a deliberate use of propaganda tools which is brainwashing and neurolinguistic programming done on a 24 hour, daily dose of lies, anger and fear. Draped in the flag and religion. It is intentional and insidious. And I know intelligent people who watched fox constantly. I watched their critical thinking skills fade away where now they appear to be artificial intelligence from Kellyanne's frightening alternate reality.
This is damned scary people— we are the targets and need to protect ourselves and our country from this kind of fascist mind control. Hitler was able to get humans to commit the most atrocious crimes against humanity. Take heed to what Meredith says above. If you have tried to talk to those who are brainwashed, you will mostly find you can not reach them. A slow, deprogramming process has to take place. the same with all cult members. They must be isolated from the mob rallies and destructive programming. Trump & Co. are making sure they are not able to critically think. J6 was the perfect example of the cult behavior willing to risk their own lives and careers and reputations by becoming terrorists against American and harming our police, our Capital, and attempted murder of our VP and Speaker of the House. third in line for the presidency. Wake up America.
Being Woke is a good thing. THE DEFINITION OF WOKE IS BEING AWARE OF AND ACTIVELY ATTENTIVE TO IMPORTANT SOCIETAL FACTS AND ISSUES (ESPECIALLY ISSUES OF RACIAL AND SOCIAL JUSTICE). This is why desantis is banning books and controlling history. He does not want you to think. I am not sure what his orders are from the Federalist or Heritage societies, but I guarantee the orders are not good for people who are NOT white supremacists wearing flags, carrying bibles and weapons of mass destruction and guns whilst they steal all your rights.
Rant over.
I agree with everything you have said. I have watched sadly and desperately as many of my relatives and close friends have succumbed to Fox and MAGA or just tuned out since Trump was elected.
Great rant, Pensa. You describe it much better tan I do.
Bribery works. Pols become millionaires.
Has that ever been any different? Not in my lifetime. Seems there’s always been a crisis albeit varied , nonetheless critical. The dream house requires constant care, the grass cut regularly, the driveway resurfaced, and eventually even owners change. ‘The fight of our lives’ thought the Indians, The Jews, and now ..us.
💙VOTE💙
Sky, your advice is correct; my only problem with it is that the next presidential election is too far away to toss out the vandals in the House. Who knows what mayhem will occur before then? Trump still has the power, the Freedom Caucus is gaining traction, and the summer riot and secession activities are still on call. The sentences meted out to ringleaders will incent others to fill those leadership gaps, as we saw in Iraq when Hussein was eliminated. Power abhors a vacuum.
SKY 777 very well said and for what it’s worth I see it that way as well. Is it extremely unfortunate- to put it mildly- that this situation was concocted by the extremists? Yes! But when we take back the house, etc in 2024, after the 2 year delay, there is the great possibility of righting this wrong.
I’d add to that Sky777... there’s plenty of blame for them to reserve some for the mistakes made in general which ,no doubt , WE’VE had some hand in too.
Is there not many amongst us who believe the lesson p(s) in a/the folly? And further ..is it not peeking through the din? I’d stand on the growing evidence of these wonderfully woke votes provoked, hear hear🙌
I dare not predict what 11/ 2024 will provide in a dazzling display of blue ...no , but I can sure hope ... students , rev your engines 😉