Liz Cheney's courage and firmness in telling truth to power is heartening. Even if I don't agree with her very conservative positions, I respect what she is doing so much that I made a donation to her Wyoming campaign for re-election. I'd encourage others - independents and party affiliated alike - to do the same. Thursday, March 13…
Liz Cheney's courage and firmness in telling truth to power is heartening. Even if I don't agree with her very conservative positions, I respect what she is doing so much that I made a donation to her Wyoming campaign for re-election. I'd encourage others - independents and party affiliated alike - to do the same. Thursday, March 13, over 100 influential Republicans including former high level elected officials will declare they will form a third party if the Republicans do not pull away from DT. This is encouraging news for democracy and gives me hope. For Liz Cheney to be a leader of the anti-DT movement she needs supporters and followers. The 100 will be a great start. I hope it starts a flood of followers and creates a strong movement toward democracy.
While I have respect for what Rep. Cheney did to protect Democracy, I will still probably spend the rest of my life disagreeing with her. With her high percentage of votes for Trumpism, she is not going to be singing kumbiyah with Democrats. Rep. Cheney has nut changed, she is going to keep doing what she has been doing, taking from the poor and giving to the rich. Just don’t forget the story about the scorpion and the frog.
The story of the scorpion and the frog is apropos valid in this situation. We have scorpions ... and frogs.. here in Texas. What we need then is a few of my Papillon dogs who have the instinct to safely bite the scorpion at the base of the tail disarming it. Almost very scorpion I find in my house has a useless tail!
I'll argue that Liz Cheney has always been a stanch and consistent conservative all her life and has voted consistent with those values. She's never supported Trumpism. It is the other way around. DT only became a conservative five years ago because he decided the Republicans were vulnerable to take over. He was a Democrat for decades. He is a party of one -- himself.
“ Here is how she described her support for Trump in a July 2020 appearance on Fox News:
So there is no comparison in terms of the kind of leadership that we need in the world and the choice is a very clear one. You know, the American people are going to have to choose between a world in which the United States and the other free nations set the rules of the road or a world in which China and Russia and our adversaries, who do not believe in freedom, set the rules of the road. That is the world you will see under a Joe Biden presidency… We are all going to work together to stop that.”
“In the first two years of Trump's presidency, Cheney supported Trump's position on 95.8% of her votes. In the last two years, Cheney supported Trump's position 92.8% of the time. That's a higher level of support than Trump received over the same time period from Congressman Mark Meadows (R-NC), who Trump later selected as his Chief of Staff.” - Popular Information
While I applaud her courage, the thought of her gaining power terrifies me. She wants an oligarchy too; she just wants it to wear a convincing facade of democracy.
The former guy was a ham fisted wrecking ball. Liz Cheney is a skilled operator. She will bring competency and discipline to undermining democracy while appearing to champion it.
We need to be careful. She is far more dangerous than the former guy.
Diane, I do understand your position and concerns. My calculus is a little different. I'd rather deal with a Liz Cheney who is protecting the rule of law rather than a lying, gaslit kook parroting DT who will be primaried against Rep. Cheney. I'd rather deal with a sane person I disagree with even a powerful one than an insane one who no one can deal with. If we just look at the 2022 election, a split Republican Party will make it so much harder for them to take back the House.
Liz Cheney will never get a cent of my money. I'm glad she's challenging the Big Lie and Trump's hegemony. But she is an autocrat by nature and would advance a deeply regressive, oligarchic, oppressive form of government if given the chance.
You position is certainly a valid one. For me, we first need a conservative party to deal with rather than a party who insanely worships nothing but egocentric power with absolutely no ethics or positive values. I do believe a large part of the problem here is the two party system. The two parties are both moving to extremes and leaving a huge portion of the constituents in the middle with no representation. President Biden is being a President for all Americans including those in the middle which I like a lot.
My politics are pretty far left, so from my perspective the increasing conservatism of the Rs has dragged D's inexorably to the center. Whereas I agree with you that the Rs have become increasingly radical in their conservatism, I don't see the Ds doing much at all that I would call extreme. Extremely wimpy maybe, but that's about it. Not that I think they're wrong, considering the moment we're in, but the "both sides" argument that you make is not what I see.
Liz Cheney's courage and firmness in telling truth to power is heartening. Even if I don't agree with her very conservative positions, I respect what she is doing so much that I made a donation to her Wyoming campaign for re-election. I'd encourage others - independents and party affiliated alike - to do the same. Thursday, March 13, over 100 influential Republicans including former high level elected officials will declare they will form a third party if the Republicans do not pull away from DT. This is encouraging news for democracy and gives me hope. For Liz Cheney to be a leader of the anti-DT movement she needs supporters and followers. The 100 will be a great start. I hope it starts a flood of followers and creates a strong movement toward democracy.
While I have respect for what Rep. Cheney did to protect Democracy, I will still probably spend the rest of my life disagreeing with her. With her high percentage of votes for Trumpism, she is not going to be singing kumbiyah with Democrats. Rep. Cheney has nut changed, she is going to keep doing what she has been doing, taking from the poor and giving to the rich. Just don’t forget the story about the scorpion and the frog.
The story of the scorpion and the frog is apropos valid in this situation. We have scorpions ... and frogs.. here in Texas. What we need then is a few of my Papillon dogs who have the instinct to safely bite the scorpion at the base of the tail disarming it. Almost very scorpion I find in my house has a useless tail!
I close my eyes and imagine your dogs biting off Mitch McConnell's tail and smile.
I'll argue that Liz Cheney has always been a stanch and consistent conservative all her life and has voted consistent with those values. She's never supported Trumpism. It is the other way around. DT only became a conservative five years ago because he decided the Republicans were vulnerable to take over. He was a Democrat for decades. He is a party of one -- himself.
“ Here is how she described her support for Trump in a July 2020 appearance on Fox News:
So there is no comparison in terms of the kind of leadership that we need in the world and the choice is a very clear one. You know, the American people are going to have to choose between a world in which the United States and the other free nations set the rules of the road or a world in which China and Russia and our adversaries, who do not believe in freedom, set the rules of the road. That is the world you will see under a Joe Biden presidency… We are all going to work together to stop that.”
“In the first two years of Trump's presidency, Cheney supported Trump's position on 95.8% of her votes. In the last two years, Cheney supported Trump's position 92.8% of the time. That's a higher level of support than Trump received over the same time period from Congressman Mark Meadows (R-NC), who Trump later selected as his Chief of Staff.” - Popular Information
While I applaud her courage, the thought of her gaining power terrifies me. She wants an oligarchy too; she just wants it to wear a convincing facade of democracy.
The former guy was a ham fisted wrecking ball. Liz Cheney is a skilled operator. She will bring competency and discipline to undermining democracy while appearing to champion it.
We need to be careful. She is far more dangerous than the former guy.
Diane, I do understand your position and concerns. My calculus is a little different. I'd rather deal with a Liz Cheney who is protecting the rule of law rather than a lying, gaslit kook parroting DT who will be primaried against Rep. Cheney. I'd rather deal with a sane person I disagree with even a powerful one than an insane one who no one can deal with. If we just look at the 2022 election, a split Republican Party will make it so much harder for them to take back the House.
Hi Cathy. I do understand the calculus and what’s at stake. I’m just worried about the unintended consequences. Time will tell.
Sure with you on that!
It will be interesting to watch, that’s for sure. A “Cheney” always has something up his of her sleeve.
Liz Cheney will never get a cent of my money. I'm glad she's challenging the Big Lie and Trump's hegemony. But she is an autocrat by nature and would advance a deeply regressive, oligarchic, oppressive form of government if given the chance.
You position is certainly a valid one. For me, we first need a conservative party to deal with rather than a party who insanely worships nothing but egocentric power with absolutely no ethics or positive values. I do believe a large part of the problem here is the two party system. The two parties are both moving to extremes and leaving a huge portion of the constituents in the middle with no representation. President Biden is being a President for all Americans including those in the middle which I like a lot.
My politics are pretty far left, so from my perspective the increasing conservatism of the Rs has dragged D's inexorably to the center. Whereas I agree with you that the Rs have become increasingly radical in their conservatism, I don't see the Ds doing much at all that I would call extreme. Extremely wimpy maybe, but that's about it. Not that I think they're wrong, considering the moment we're in, but the "both sides" argument that you make is not what I see.
I’m with you Cathy.
Thank you.