I find it very hard to understand when you write after a year of Joe Biden saying he could work with Republicans…after eight years as Vice President clearly never opened his eyes. Or Obama’s. Ludicrous following being obstructed for eight years, which gave way to a trump presidency he would fall for that for a second. Or to quote Rober…
I find it very hard to understand when you write after a year of Joe Biden saying he could work with Republicans…after eight years as Vice President clearly never opened his eyes. Or Obama’s. Ludicrous following being obstructed for eight years, which gave way to a trump presidency he would fall for that for a second. Or to quote Robert Frost, “A liberal man too broad minded to take his own side in a quarrel.” With all that we’ve done to have the presidency and the house we’re losing badly. Pelosi and Biden running around talking about how we need a Republican Party we can work with feels like a kick in the gut.
As bad as the Republicans were back during the Obama Administration - and they were - they were nothing compared to this collection of clucks who get crazier by the week.
It doesn't look as though their opposition has done any better since either.....plenty of "clucks" on both sides, dumb and otherwise. The Republicans at least kept their senses alive and saw and seized their opportunity to get what they wanted regardless of what anyone else thought or wanted. This might be considered a "strength" in a political party regardless of what the issue was which all should perhaps share. Whereas their opposition.......played the three wise monkeys while looking at themselves in the mirror it would seem....while wringing hands and bewaling the nastyness of the other during which time the Republicans constantly stole their bases setting up themselves up possibly for a grand slam strike.
Excerpt: "GOP Rep. Adam Kinzinger of Illinois warned that the US could enter another civil war while discussing the country's partisan division and his censure by the Republican National Committee for taking part in the House January 6 commission.
Speaking on ABC News' "The View" on Thursday, Kinzinger said "we have to recognize" the prospect of civil war, adding: "I don't think it's too far of a bridge to think that's a possibility."
"We're identifying now by our race, by our ethnic group, we're separating ourselves and we live in different realities," Kinzinger said. "And I think we have to warn and talk about it so that we can recognize that and fight hard against it and put our country over our parties, because our survival actually matters."
"In the past, I've said, oh, we don't want to talk about it, because I don't want to make it likely," Kinzinger said of a civil war. "Well, let's look at where we are."
He said such a conflict would not take the same form as it did in the 1860s, with pitched battles between armies.
Good for Kinzinger. We need to take a hard look at where democracy has faded and stop the bleeding, not just in Ukraine, but everywhere, and here.
I would have never thought it possible till Jan 6th. I still might not, but our current events, and having read a lot of history of Ukraine, the Maidan in 2014, and then novels about it, "It Cant Happen Here" by CS Lewis, "The Plot Against America" by Philip Roth, and analysis "Civil Wars and How to Stop Them" by Dr. Barbara Walters who studies and indexes commonalities in countries that slide from stable to instable, to civil war.
Kinzinger is right. Armed individuals, whipped into a frenzy by their mystic demagogue get into a spat at a rally or crash and upset a peaceful protest, the violence escalates to groups on groups violence. Pollical assassination's. Police feeling themselves as victims, identify with the extreme right, unwilling to serve and protect all, side with the radical right and turn their backs on their oaths ( rittenhouse syndrome). The invitation by some Police to deputize Paramilitary groups like the 3%'ers, Oath Keepers, or Proud Boys.
So much damage done by the Orange Orangutan. It is really unfortunate. The only fortunate thing we do have are people like Dr. Richardson and others who sounded the alarm early enough for some of us to open our eyes.
I can see how it could happen. All the signs have revealed themselves:
Growing Inequality
Historical Wealth Gap between the most wealthy and regular people
Polarization/growing friction between the haves and have nots
Rise of Paramilitary Groups ( 10,000's Tim McVeighs now? who knows?)
No attempts or goals of political "reconciliation" only owning your enemy
Belief that all political enemies are "others" different from "my" group
Gun Sales through the roof
Constructive Civil debate replaced by shouting matches without real discussion
Broken Norms like the peaceful transfer of power
Broken norms of political violence at political rallys, Fight those who have different views
Texans aggressive driving sending the Biden/Harris Campaign buss off the road, and Texas State Troopers not assisting, failing to protect
Normalization of lying in leadership
Local Election workers knowingly breaking the law for the mystic leader from pressure
Purging of dissenters with the party
The Big Lie Grow-eth stronger and wider
Breaking the law by Political leadership
Criminals elected to Political leadership
Continued abusive propaganda with major media outlets posing as Journalism.
High Courts unwilling to uphold the rule of law and constitutional precedent
The signs grows daily. The next shocker event, another normalization, the next marker passed. I think Dr. Snyder calls this the Politics of Eternity moving toward the Politics of Catastrophe.
No more. Stop trying to trash Democrats. Do some reading, look at some facts. Think about all the things Biden has accomplished IN ONE YEAR in spite of Manchin and Sinema - and a Pandemic, a war in Ukraine and apparently a vicious decades long secret attack on our country by Russia. We need decent people in government with different opinions who's goal is to help the American People, not Traitors. That is what they are saying.
Thank you, Liz. This mess has been 40+ years in the making. No matter how much we'd like to see things restored and our (mistaken) instincts for instant gratification satisfied...that isn't going to happen. It's going to take at least a decade of work--and more--to bring this country back from the decades of Republican "rape and pillage".
My husband is currently in a rehabilitation center in our town that I am pleased to say employs many highly qualified people including black and brown people. They are all cheerful and happy to have their jobs and we are so lucky to have them.
Addressing something isn’t trashing it. Unless we take a hold of the helm better we are going to lose to the vile Republicans and no amount of what Biden did will matter, once it’s all reversed. I love and appreciate the work this administration is doing AND I want it to continue. Our party as it is along with everything more we must accomplish is being held hostage by two bad Dems and an absurd pipe dream that the Republicans are going to get on board. You can yell at me that I’m trashing them all you want but unless the Dems step up and fight better and more calculated we could lose what advances we’ve made. And that is a frightening concept.
Diane, I agree. It seems like Biden should have started his Presidency on day 1 by arresting Trump and throwing him in Attica with a friendly cellmate on a live stream to America.
Then, having done that, turned to Congress and asked "How can I help you guys get my agenda done". With a big smile.
Quite right Mike. As long as a televised traitor runs around unpunished there is little chance of anyone else changing behavior. Biden may be too immersed in traditional politics for his or our good.
I find it very hard to understand when you write after a year of Joe Biden saying he could work with Republicans…after eight years as Vice President clearly never opened his eyes. Or Obama’s. Ludicrous following being obstructed for eight years, which gave way to a trump presidency he would fall for that for a second. Or to quote Robert Frost, “A liberal man too broad minded to take his own side in a quarrel.” With all that we’ve done to have the presidency and the house we’re losing badly. Pelosi and Biden running around talking about how we need a Republican Party we can work with feels like a kick in the gut.
As bad as the Republicans were back during the Obama Administration - and they were - they were nothing compared to this collection of clucks who get crazier by the week.
It doesn't look as though their opposition has done any better since either.....plenty of "clucks" on both sides, dumb and otherwise. The Republicans at least kept their senses alive and saw and seized their opportunity to get what they wanted regardless of what anyone else thought or wanted. This might be considered a "strength" in a political party regardless of what the issue was which all should perhaps share. Whereas their opposition.......played the three wise monkeys while looking at themselves in the mirror it would seem....while wringing hands and bewaling the nastyness of the other during which time the Republicans constantly stole their bases setting up themselves up possibly for a grand slam strike.
TC, you mean like Adam Kinzinger who now openly talks about "targeted assissinations" as if he is not walking around in the open?
See final copied/pasted paragraph below.
Excerpt: "GOP Rep. Adam Kinzinger of Illinois warned that the US could enter another civil war while discussing the country's partisan division and his censure by the Republican National Committee for taking part in the House January 6 commission.
Speaking on ABC News' "The View" on Thursday, Kinzinger said "we have to recognize" the prospect of civil war, adding: "I don't think it's too far of a bridge to think that's a possibility."
"We're identifying now by our race, by our ethnic group, we're separating ourselves and we live in different realities," Kinzinger said. "And I think we have to warn and talk about it so that we can recognize that and fight hard against it and put our country over our parties, because our survival actually matters."
"In the past, I've said, oh, we don't want to talk about it, because I don't want to make it likely," Kinzinger said of a civil war. "Well, let's look at where we are."
He said such a conflict would not take the same form as it did in the 1860s, with pitched battles between armies.
Instead, he said: "It's going to be armed groups against armed groups, targeted assassination and violence. That's what a 21st and 20th century civil war is." https://www.businessinsider.com/adam-kinzinger-civil-war-possibility-rnc-censure-2022-2?op=1
Good for Kinzinger. We need to take a hard look at where democracy has faded and stop the bleeding, not just in Ukraine, but everywhere, and here.
I would have never thought it possible till Jan 6th. I still might not, but our current events, and having read a lot of history of Ukraine, the Maidan in 2014, and then novels about it, "It Cant Happen Here" by CS Lewis, "The Plot Against America" by Philip Roth, and analysis "Civil Wars and How to Stop Them" by Dr. Barbara Walters who studies and indexes commonalities in countries that slide from stable to instable, to civil war.
Kinzinger is right. Armed individuals, whipped into a frenzy by their mystic demagogue get into a spat at a rally or crash and upset a peaceful protest, the violence escalates to groups on groups violence. Pollical assassination's. Police feeling themselves as victims, identify with the extreme right, unwilling to serve and protect all, side with the radical right and turn their backs on their oaths ( rittenhouse syndrome). The invitation by some Police to deputize Paramilitary groups like the 3%'ers, Oath Keepers, or Proud Boys.
So much damage done by the Orange Orangutan. It is really unfortunate. The only fortunate thing we do have are people like Dr. Richardson and others who sounded the alarm early enough for some of us to open our eyes.
I can see how it could happen. All the signs have revealed themselves:
Growing Inequality
Historical Wealth Gap between the most wealthy and regular people
Polarization/growing friction between the haves and have nots
Rise of Paramilitary Groups ( 10,000's Tim McVeighs now? who knows?)
No attempts or goals of political "reconciliation" only owning your enemy
Belief that all political enemies are "others" different from "my" group
Gun Sales through the roof
Constructive Civil debate replaced by shouting matches without real discussion
Broken Norms like the peaceful transfer of power
Broken norms of political violence at political rallys, Fight those who have different views
Texans aggressive driving sending the Biden/Harris Campaign buss off the road, and Texas State Troopers not assisting, failing to protect
Normalization of lying in leadership
Local Election workers knowingly breaking the law for the mystic leader from pressure
Purging of dissenters with the party
The Big Lie Grow-eth stronger and wider
Breaking the law by Political leadership
Criminals elected to Political leadership
Continued abusive propaganda with major media outlets posing as Journalism.
High Courts unwilling to uphold the rule of law and constitutional precedent
The signs grows daily. The next shocker event, another normalization, the next marker passed. I think Dr. Snyder calls this the Politics of Eternity moving toward the Politics of Catastrophe.
Armed groups have one big weakness.
They are armed. Hence, they are targets.
Kinzinger may identify by his race, but, I identify by my genome.
I am human. Just like everyone else.
Wait, what?
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No more. Stop trying to trash Democrats. Do some reading, look at some facts. Think about all the things Biden has accomplished IN ONE YEAR in spite of Manchin and Sinema - and a Pandemic, a war in Ukraine and apparently a vicious decades long secret attack on our country by Russia. We need decent people in government with different opinions who's goal is to help the American People, not Traitors. That is what they are saying.
Thank you, Liz. This mess has been 40+ years in the making. No matter how much we'd like to see things restored and our (mistaken) instincts for instant gratification satisfied...that isn't going to happen. It's going to take at least a decade of work--and more--to bring this country back from the decades of Republican "rape and pillage".
Liz, I concur. Biden has done a lot. He gets no press for it.
However, I also think he needs to take a more aggressive stance with the nuts in the Republican Party, which, he appears to have begun.
Lastly, the real problem is not Biden or Trump.
The real problem is much worse. It is us. Americans.
Americans LOVE the Republican Party. After all, the Republicans support Amurca!!
Well, not ALL of us.
My husband is currently in a rehabilitation center in our town that I am pleased to say employs many highly qualified people including black and brown people. They are all cheerful and happy to have their jobs and we are so lucky to have them.
Addressing something isn’t trashing it. Unless we take a hold of the helm better we are going to lose to the vile Republicans and no amount of what Biden did will matter, once it’s all reversed. I love and appreciate the work this administration is doing AND I want it to continue. Our party as it is along with everything more we must accomplish is being held hostage by two bad Dems and an absurd pipe dream that the Republicans are going to get on board. You can yell at me that I’m trashing them all you want but unless the Dems step up and fight better and more calculated we could lose what advances we’ve made. And that is a frightening concept.
Diane, I agree. It seems like Biden should have started his Presidency on day 1 by arresting Trump and throwing him in Attica with a friendly cellmate on a live stream to America.
Then, having done that, turned to Congress and asked "How can I help you guys get my agenda done". With a big smile.
Quite right Mike. As long as a televised traitor runs around unpunished there is little chance of anyone else changing behavior. Biden may be too immersed in traditional politics for his or our good.
Hahaha. :)