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As Rachel Maddow and the MSNBC election team spelled out clearly, the coming election might be our last… should TFG win. And quoting the serial psychopathic narcissist insecure pathological liar, members of the MSNBC network team suggested what they and others might do to avoid Orwellian tyranny and loss of our democracy and our basic freedoms.. this is not dress rehearsal. It’s game on

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Yes, Rachel and MSNBC did an great job telling people about Trump's disasters and if, he would win, he would destroy this country and our Democracy. Then they talked about President Biden's accomplishments and the outstanding job he's doing governing this country since he was elected.

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Did any independents watch. Can’t even imagine an “undecided” at this point.

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And therein lies the problem, there is no "cross-pollination." The Fox News, OAN, News Max and Alex Jones crowd get no outside info. Frankly, that isn't surprising. What religion believer wants to hear arguments that their beliefs have no foundation in facts or science? It appears that most of TFFG's base is composed of Christian Nationalists with a mix of racism and misogyny thrown in. Speaking of misogyny, that is one that I just don't get: why this urge and practice among some to reduce females to mere chattels?

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Richard, for most of history and until quite recently women were mere chattels. And in many ways we are reminded of our second class status. I can't tell you how many times my opinion has been ignored or challenged because I am a woman. Last time we were over to our neighbors, he contradicted everything, and I mean everything i said, including a chiropractic technique that works for my particular problem. I have said repeatedly that I refuse to make predictions, especially political ones and I am treated always to the doom and gloom scenario. I know how bad things are and how they could be even worse because for one thing, I read Heather. And I know what problems we have with the climate, so i don't need to be instructed about that either. I am a history person and read a lot about all sorts of times and places, so nothing that happens now surprises me. I also read a lot of science and I stand in awe of the women and men who do this work....despite the fact that many times women have had their ideas stolen or have been given no credit. And speaking of credit, my mother-in-law was the first woman to have a credit card in her own name at a local department store. I can't even begin to tell you what happened when I coached girls basketball. It's better now, but a long way to go.

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Michele -- your story about your mother-in-law reminds me of my own story! In about 1962 or 3, when I was 27 or 28, having just moved to San Francisco from Denver, I received an American Express credit card! A woman, young, with no significant work history receiving this card? And I was not asked for any "favors" to receive it!

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Possibly a rare thing then. I think my mother-in-law got hers in the early 70s, but I may be wrong.

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Can a guy chip in with full agreement and support? I credit my mother for my attitudes in regard to women's and human rights across the board (Dad was cool too). I don't understand all the resistance to equality. I am farther to the left than she was, but the best of my foundation came largely from her. Our relationship was pretty rocky too, but mostly, "Thanks Mom!"

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Kudos and of course you can. I do understand the resistance because inequality is the way things were and often are and people do not want to give that up.

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In the early 2000's, I was on the board at our church. I found when I made a suggestion about something, the men pooh-poohed it. But maybe 10 minutes later, another man would suggest the same thing! I was torn between "why didn't my suggestion get approval?" and "maybe I put the idea in his head so that's a good thing?". This happened several times so I thought it was just me. But then it happened to another lady. That's when I thought to myself - It's not me. I'm through. When they asked me to sign on for another two years, I said "No". Just that - so no arguing with the reasons. It was my first eye-opener how men discount women's opinions, etc. In all my working years, I never had that.

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What happened to you has happened to many, many women. My husband can say something and the neighbor thinks it's terrific. If I say it, I will hear mansplaining or I will just be contradicted. Too many men think women can only talk about recipes

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I used that to convince my husband to do things he might not otherwise have done . I'd say, "You know, I've been think about that idea of if yours, and at first I didn't think much about it, but since so-and-so did such-and-such, I've decide d you were right, so let's go ahead and do it."

Hed say, "I never said that." And then I'd have to "remind" him where and when he said it, and thank him for his idea... It works. They'll do it if they think it was their idea.

Fat heads!

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It was common in the eighties. Drove me nuts.

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Thank You Michele, for telling it like it is. Just finished telling a 38 year old women what it was like before Roe. She was shocked.

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I think a lot of younger women take things for granted. I have an ex-student and basketball player who is a fundamentalist. She had a right fit over the first women's march and ranted on and on about how it wasn't needed. I did message her to say that she had no idea of what i put up with so that she could play basketball. She is also rural, so probably saw the march as somehow liberal urban. I would say that her first serious boy friend used her. She was then married to a felon. The last guy was nice to her and they agreed on politics. They had and she has a farm....he has passed away and she was very angry when told that there was no help for him although that had been obvious for a long time. She is also not well, so needs a lot of help. Her dad was a county sheriff and once again a shot gun marriage which did not go well. He fell in love with his therapist and so married her.

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Also, Michele, the GOP leadership is so worried about the falling level of procreation that they are trying to eliminate not only abortion but also birth control. More babies and a simultaneous effort to abolish prohibitions on child labor. After all, they have jobs to fill and don’t want to increase immigration (thus, as my mother said, cutting off their noses to spite their faces). And you all thought it was a religious thing? And oh yeah, get those women back into their kitchens and coach them on their Little-Girl, breathy, whispery, submissive voices!

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So true. Saw somewhere that Science has the last word on nothing, and religion has the last word on everything. My UU church is proud to encourage exploration and eschew dogma. No judgment, no where

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Jeri, as I pondered the matter further after playing golf with two MAGA men this morning. There are two principal issues on the ballot this November:

1) Saving our democracy, and

2) Saving the lives and health of our daughters, wives, sisters, mothers, grandmothers and more.

This election is for those two: democracy and female rights. Those are the two dominating issues. Everything else is secondary.

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I agree but the border rules the Texas fools. Abbott;s insanity has metastasized.

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I visited UU church a couple of times, and liked the people. ( It's my second choice after Quaker silent meetings for worship, because it's so unstructured). Living in a Catholic culture is weird.

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"Love is the doctrine of this church." And they mean it. I went to a great United Methodist Church before they latched onto the Obama hatred. Ran me off. I like the doctrine of the UU church better than the Nicene Creed anyway. Both did programs for helping the poor. It's just that color wasn't/isn't an issue with UU. I almost signed on the Catholicism years ago, but I just couldn't do it.

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Wish we UU’s could get our values out into the world more.

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Only thing that keeps me sane. I need my bubble as much as the MAGAts do. But there was a time when the world was not bat-Schitt crazy and I wasn’t so desperate for a taste of normal. The Golden Rule has been schatt-upon…

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It doesn't help women's cause when some of them are content with being chattel needed for house cleaning and bearing children.

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I think it's most important that women have a choice. The main problem I see with staying home forgoing paid work is being economically dependent on someone else.

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Dependent my Mom was, and hated it although she always worked. I gave her a car at age 58 because she wanted to learn to drive. My 14-year-old brother wrecked it. Dreams crushed.

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I wonder what per centage of women really like that role. I didn't, but I wanted a life partner, so there were trade offs: he didn't want me to work; but I wanted to have my own money, and he didn't mind my financial help. Some women really are good at raising children and some think their son is Jesus Christ and they are Mary, mother of God. We all fit into the spectrum somewhere

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Boy, did I meet a few of those moms when I worked at junior high...

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My Mom sure felt that, although she was a looper at a hosiery mill for most of her life, while raising eight children. Even had a looper installed in our house so she could nurse a baby. She felt the chains but we never knew that she did. Not content, but took her responsibility seriously.

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What is a looper? It sounds like a lower end business executive who feels that he HAS to take home his work.

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Labels like “chattel” aren’t helpful. Pro choice doesn’t apply just to abortion.

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Richard, females, to them, are more than mere chattel. They are baby vessels, when conception happens the good old-fashioned way. Give them some credit, Richard.

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Women these.days are better educated, get better paying jobs, have more freedom and independence, etc. which is hard on men's tender ego, to paint with a broad brush, and men are wired to use force to solve problems, not words. Nothing has changed, except women don't need men except to make babies, and who wants to raise babies that the industrial military complex will draft for Cannon fodder? There, I've solved the mystery, but solving the problem will have to wait until I get to Heaven and can have a conversation with God about testosterone.

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Wow, Susan! I definitely don't want to inadvertently bump into you in a dark alley somewhere. At my age I'm kinda defenseless. You make some excellent points. I think that we can agree that our task right now is to preserve and protect our democracy and the rights of females in this country. Both are under serious attack.

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Don't worry, I don't frequent dark alleys😉. And I had a long, joyful, happy marriage with the best husband in the world, so when I over generalize, I should always start with, "there are many exceptions, of course".

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Looking at Jen Psaki's stunning report (about the supreme court) at novoteleft behindpac:

“The American people might not know if they are casting their ballots for a convicted criminal on Election Day… We cannot bet on the justice system protecting us from the ‘Day One dictator.’”

I don't usually find ridiculing opposition useful but it does inspire me to think about rearranging the "Day One Dictator" to "Dictator On Day One" or "the DODO candidate"

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He will keep extending the term limits until he dies or his supporters figure out he IS too old and malignant. Just like the Chinese dictator and Putin.

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He will keep extending the term limits until he dies or his supporters figure out he IS too old and malignant. Just like the Chinese dictator and Putin.

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I said the same thing. If you don’t know by now that tRump is the wrong and absolute worst person for the job, you need to get your head out of the sand..

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After his disastrous four years, I can't fathom another four years (for starters). Even with Fox master propaganda, his evil was front and center every single day.

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Regarding women having credit cards, here is some history on that.

Although the Equal Pay Act was passed in 1963 requiring men and women to be paid equally when doing the same work, it wasn’t until the Equal Credit Opportunity Act (ECOA) was passed in 1974 that women were able to get their own credit cards in their own name. The ECOA was originally introduced in 1973 by Representative Bella Abzug (D-NY) and was signed into law by President Gerald Ford on October 28, 1974.

Bella Abzug was a force of nature.

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Thanks

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I recall it being in mid to late 60’s. I was long gone and back to school by 1974

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I’m registered Independent (or no party preference)but by no means am I undecided nor am I shy about my opinion. I’ve donated to many causes to advance the Democratic causes. I vote the candidate and the cause

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I am curious about the candidate and/or the cause that would have you vote Republican. I was once a Republican but Reagan and the attack on the Middle Class ended that relationship. Remember the mentally ill being turned out, many living in cardboard boxes and sleeping in the underpasses? The attack on the Middle Class, firing the Air Traffic Controllers? The massive tax breaks for the wealthy in 1986? Tripling the national debt?

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There is nothing imaginable - the R’s can not be trusted. It’s not necessarily the individual but the party philosophy is a bridge too far. I remember all of that too well

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What's left of the Republican Party has morphed into MAGA which is 21st century KKK which has adopted extremist points of view toward females. It's insane. I call them the American Taliban, which is even worse than the Roman Catholic Church's treatment of females.

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That used to work for me, 2000 changed that

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But the people who need to hear the message don’t watch Rachel Maddow. And that’s part of the problem. The Dems needed to be paying grass roots people to go out and share the information directly in communities that need to hear it. If they don’t do that now, the they don’t really want to win

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R’s are as about as willing to hear Rachel as they were Hillary.

When one wishes to connect with R voters one doesn’t lead off with the diatribe that was most popular in these comments.

One does get out of the echo chambers and listens to Rs, sympathizes, then connects one brief fact they may not know to their concern. Then one listens some more. Rinse. Repeat.

Unfortunately it is a small fraction who vote based on information instead of fear and anger.

In most cases, doubt facts help as much as therapy/ ministry/ friendship- not often in our own skill set. But things are not helped by a candidate who is not bringing his case to the people effectively.

I will vote against tfg no matter who dems nominate. But Dems will get more youth votes by far if it is someone much younger than tfg, and more youth & middle aged votes with someone not connected to Gaza and less connected to the fist-bump, since Saudis will raise oil prices to help tfg, as will Putin...

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Retail politics. Knock on doors—dangerous as that can be—card tables with info and cookies at street fairs and near/on high school and college campuses, etc.

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Indeed!

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Check out Simon Rosenberg’s “Hopium Chronicles” on Substack. Better yet, join and be active - any way you can

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Amy’s a fine human being, but her bias is just as pronounced as Rachel Maddow’s or Sean Hannity’s.

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They have to keep hammering this home every single day until the election. I agree with Heather, so much of the country is not engaged and no one can afford to sit this one out. Magas think Trump loves them as they love him but they are in for a rude awakening should he win. I believe voting is not enough, unfortunately. We have to stay completely engaged right up until Election Day. People are so exhausted from Trump and his bs but we have to focus our energies and time. For those of us who don’t have time, let’s get real: we ALL can take 15 minutes a day to write post cards, phone bank, help people to register to vote, etc. I’m going overseas to be with my family for an extended time. I’m taking postcards with me to mail when I return home. Same with letters I’ll write for Vote Forward.

I doubt Biden will be able to give his SOTU tomorrow without hecklers who behave worse than the last time. They should be removed from the chamber in short order.

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The warnings of a trump win sounds alarmist, as it was in Germany until it was too late. There is no choice in this election - period! It doesn’t matter whether you like Biden or not, if you give one hoot about this country you will vote for Biden whether you like him or not! I would support Biden against any GOP! For my money he has been great. Fussing about his age is silly, his age has been an advantage.

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HCR thought it significant to report that Taylor Swift urged her fans to "vote who most represents YOU into power." Thinking of Taylor and creepy Joe Biden, "We are never, ever getting back together!"

https://youtu.be/WA4iX5D9Z64?si=A0eMd41UUe8ZCqrM

Maybe Taylor Swift will vote for Marianne Williamson?

https://marianne2024.com/

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Actually.. never mind.. who gives a fuck why guys like you are so weird about Taylor Swift..

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Um, just in case you haven't noticed, Taylor Swift has become a political football, with Bidenistas like HCR hoping to paint her as a Biden supporter and Trumpists fantasizing that she is a psy op being groomed to pump the vote for Biden.

That is to say, like it or not, she has become part of the political landscape to the point that HCR tries to indirectly spin her as a Biden supporter.

Perhaps YOU'RE the one who's weird about Taylor Swift? Obsessing vulgarly about her without anything to add to the political discussion?

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Cry more.

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Is this all you got from the post today? I’m pretty sure people know where she stands. We really don’t need you to put your spin on it.

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and trump can say vote republican and call people insulting names, and Taylor Swift can't say Vote as you see fit?

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Karen Jacob,

You seem to be confused. I'm all for Taylor Swift saying "Vote as you see fit."

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Hi John! Good to see you this morning! You always add a touch of humor to an otherwise ordinary morning. Thanks for your service!

😁😁😁😁

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Why are you compulsing on 2 sentences from this post.

What's creepy to me is your seeming obsession with Taylor Swift.

Thousands of talking heads on TV talk about politics.

Like it or not Taylor has an opinion and is incredibly popular. Many people want to hear what she has to say.

I'm an old Deadhead. I'm not a fan of Taylor's music, but I respect the fact that so many others do. I don't let it fog my mind or color my opinion of her as a successful, thoughtful woman and artist with a devoted following.

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What Miselle said. Please ignore Schmeeckie.

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The Appellate Courts in Hamilton County Tennessee have handled him well.

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The evidence of routine judicial misconduct continues to pile up, begging for a federal civil rights lawsuit.

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Don Just flush John.

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thank you.

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Your use of the word "compulsing" is a dishonest insult.

This song speaks to me:

"Wake up to find out that you are the eyes of the world..."

https://youtu.be/SEE_R4VIkR4?si=5CY6nJvVQXBBiYCS

Other likeable Dead songs:

Cassidy

Alabama Getaway

Brown-Eyed Women

Dark Hollow

Let it Grow

Miss. Half-Step Uptown Toodaloo

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p.s. My point was that HCR was slickly, indirectly and dishonestly spinning what Taylor Swift said.

And then the local Bidenistas come out to insult me as a way of deflecting my point.

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Slickly? Dishonestly?

Well done finding a Dead song on YouTube.

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My underlying point is that HCR routinely slips Bidenista propaganda into her letters. I've ben collecting examples for months as part of my substack notes:

https://substack.com/profile/85178460-john-schmeeckle/notes

p.s. I could have added youtube links to the other Grateful Dead songs I listed, but I didn't. That link to "Eyes of the World" is easily my favorite rendition.

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John Schmeeckle: so, Never Get In a Pissing Fight With a Skunk, 🦨 Said my wise father.. and I recall those words reading yours.

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My father used to trap skunks using a... skunk trap.

I won't try to get into a pissing fight with you.

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John, what do you mean when you call President Biden creepy? Don’t quote anything, just tell us what you think.

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The video of Biden snuggling up to the back of Ash Carter's wife during Carter's incoming speech as Defense Secretary, especially the part where she flinched, which got cut out of the slow-motion replay to "prove" that Biden didn't molest her in public.

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Successful, affluent and creative women are irrational threats to fragile male egos, especially when they are young and comely.

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As I've posted several times and will again, the words of Emma Watson who is also "talented, young and comely"--"Fuck the patriarchy."

Look at the leadership of most corrupt organizations and countries, they are run by men and they have very few, if any women in positions of influence and power. The Catholic Church, CPAC, the Republicans in Congress, the Senate and SCTOUS, the former Trump administration, Russia and so on.

I hope all women in the US come to realize that most Republicans are misogynists (and xenophobes) that believe they are here to SERVE him and his male friends. And SCOTUS is no different or even the Senate.

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Like incels, right? I can’t get her so I will destroy her. Their petulance and self loathing speak volumes, right???

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Sadly, MSNBC is reaching the liberal educated listeners. We are great fans of MSNBC, particularly Ari Melber.❤️

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They always do a great job of explaining why TFG is bad for the country. The problem is that the people who need to hear that are not listening!

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Trump is just the head of the republican snake. For Putin, he's just a useful idiot.

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However, we do not hear that on lamestreet media and I and probably millions more people cannot afford cable news outlets. Xfinity has the market tied up and they keep raising the price. Gouging of all kind should be cleaned up just not late charges fees on credit cards.

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Lowering credit card fees to $ 8.00 is a huge deal for millions of people who are in credit card debt. No other president in the 21st century has done this . I heard Walmart will be lowering their prices on food and merchandise. However, they couldn't confirm when.

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May I recommend National Public Radio and PBS News Hour? We have never had cable TV. When we have seen it when traveling, we have not been inspired to get it for ourselves.

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I dropped them 20 years ago during bush's term. I do watch their nature, animal, universe programming

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At least Biden and Harris are addressing the issues head on. With a tRump admin you can bet Netenyahoo will run strongarm forever.

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“. . . With a tRump admin you can bet Netenyahoo will run strongarm forever.”

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...."With a tRump admin you can bet Netenyahoo will run strongarm forever.”

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Listening to the stories about people standing line for food getting killed, I'm not sure I condone Israel's behavior even though the Hamas started the fight. I know very little about the area except that there are a lot of rabid religious militants who want to govern. We fought the Taliban for years. The planes hadn't even left and they had taken over. Is there a reason we are there except for the commercial significance of the Red Sea for commerce? Is Israel really an ally?

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A: Hamas did not start the fight. The "fight" had been going on for decades with Israel always winning..more territory, more power over Palestinians. Way less territory or safety for Palestinians. The IDF is like a bunch of Nazis bullying, beating, imprisoning.... Gaza is an open air prison with severe restrictions on everything. Gaza has a long border to the Mediterranean sea. They are not allowed to boat into it and nothing can come in through there. Israel has been getting away with murder. Oct 7 was a big shock; who could guess that Hamas could get away with all that? They had expected it to be a suicide mission given all the press about the superior IDF and surveillance. Israel was humiliated and, I am sure, thrilled to use this as an excuse to wipe out as many of those "filthy rats" as possible. Now I am seeing on youtube many talks by hostages about how awful it was. Israeli propaganda, Of course, it wasn't luxury accommodations but I believe Hamas tried to keep those hostages alive and fed as well as possible under those circumstances. Israel did not care about those hostages and started bombing on Oct 7. Did they know where the hostages were? Or, care? see: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hannibal_Directive

In a nutshell: if there is an Israeli citizen being taken, kill them, because negotiating for their release is a real problem. The hostage's families have to know this and have never trusted their government to get them released.......Israel has "bigger fish to fry".

It's a very complicated mess for the USA and for the next election. It's not just that some people are living in a hell of death, disease and starvation but it involves Israel. No one wants to be labeled antisemitic and they are using that to the hilt.

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I wondered why the Palestinians have nowhere to go. Here is a quote from a commentator in Quora:

"Palestinians

Why is Egypt so adamantly opposed to allowing refugees from Gaza to escape the city, I thought they cared about the Palestinians?

They care about the Palestinians in theory, as Muslim neighbours, but Egypt isn’t going to let that blind them to reality.

Unlike seemingly everyone on this site, Egypt bothered to pick up a history book.

Jordan allowed Palestinian refugees. They tried to set up a state-within-a-state, attempted to assassinate the King, and got kicked back out.

Lebanon accepted the Palestinian refugees that had just been kicked out of Jordan, Those same refugees started a ten-year civil war.

Kuwait accepted Palestinian refugees. They then helped Saddam Hussain take over.

Egypt has no desire to be next on the list of countries dealing with open rebellion or terrorism after letting in refugees from Palestine, especially if they risk Hamas sneaking in with them.

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How can Palestinians children be helped....

Stop working with and employing Hamas people. Fire all the Hamas members working for UNRWA.

Create an international oversight committee to prevent Hamas AND the PA from using donated money for incitement, terror activities and particularly the “Pay for Slay” program of the PA.

Replace all textbooks and all school activities that demonize Israel and/or encourage children to become “martyrs”.

Convince the PA to hold elections and abide by the results, no matter what the outcome.

Teach human rights in schools and in adult classes.

Build factories, farms, power plants for electricity, desalination plants for drinking water and sewage treatment plants so that raw sewage isn’t dumped directly into the Mediterranean.

Rebuild the infrastructure that Hamas has ruined (replacing lampposts and water lines used for making rockets, but with pipes that are incompatible for use in making rockets).

These are just a few of the things that the UN COULD do, but won’t, basically because as a whole, the UN couldn’t give less of a crap to end the lucrative business of dedicated agencies and departments solely for the Palestinians (UNRWA and the Palestinian Department of OCHA come to mind at the head of the list).

Those who put children on display like this:

(Photo: Child with AK rifle)

The children should be removed from the parent’s homes and placed with appropriate Arab foster families outside of the Palestinian territories.

I can think of many other things the UN COULD do, but won’t."

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"filthy rats" It seems to be the fashionable terms for undesirables. trump used it in a speech to encourage the riddance of vermin. I believe Hitler used it, too.

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Unfortunately, Israel is an ally. We store weapons there we don’t trust Qatar or Turkey to store for us. The Israeli chip industry is bigger than the US and not in a communist country. And, until October 7th, their intelligence in the region exceeded ours or anyone else’s.

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Thanks. It just seem like they were pulling a Russian move by putting settlers in the West Bank and then claiming it was theirs. At least that is my interpretation. Could be totally wrong.

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Start by voting for Biden and don’t succumb to rhetoric. It doesn’t help Gaza.

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Dear Michelle

I do not agree with you.

Kind regards

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Yeah that’s the way to get what you want…NOT!

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Talk to Netanyahu.

Like drumpf, he's desperate to stay in power, not prison. If you know any Israelis, you might urge them to vote him immunity so he'll get the hell out.

Netanyahu would love drumpf to be back.

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That has been his plan all along. Not to be dismissed, he dragged Biden in and ruined him in many demographics.

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Yes. Birds of a feather, flock together… and die.

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So… new new math, try string theory, poetry: Jews, Nazis, Hitler, Mussolini, fascism, Gaza, Hamas, rape, beheading, Hezbollah, Houthis, Iran, Putin, Ukraine, Kiev, Zelenskyy’s complaint, Israel, 🇮🇱 Bibi, Speaker Mike Johnson, President Trump, GOP, Kari Lake, Arizona, Gov. Abbott, Texas,

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A very depressing list. Let's talk about something more pleasant: climate change, pollution, plastic, endocrine disrupters, dangers of AI, mental health crisis, species extinctions,... . Did I forget anything?

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J. Horowitz, sadly… Yes, suicide by cop… daily. March 7th, think of October 7th, and damn Iran.

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I try to ignore the US politics. I just want TFFG dead. I have concentrated on the Gaza situation from day one. Oct7. It's a new disaster involving Jews. It's a BIG deal. Probably unsolvable. About 20 years ago, I said, probably to myself, that Israel will be the cause of WW3. It had to come from some remote part of my brain.... "instinct"?

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Wrong target. Aim at Hamas.

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Biden has done incredibly good things domestically and holding our own through Ukraine against Putin. However, Biden is losing a huge percentage of the young vote because of his support of genocide in Gaza. I am 78 years old and I don't know that I can vote for a person who is complicit in months of genocide that is highly recognized as genocide, no controversy except political. I know we shouldn't be one issue voters and I will probably vote with great reluctance for Biden only because of his opposition. His war crimes are very heinous and I will vote with a sad heart.

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First, horrible as what is happening in Gaza is, it is not genocide. Words have meaning, they should be used carefully, particularly when they are inflammatory. Then remember that Israel is not a colony, but an ally. We can try to influence Israelis, but we can’t control what will happen there. And the administration has been more and more clear that it disagrees very strongly with the policy of the present Israeli regime. But for all of its faults and failures, Israel remains the only (albeit highly imperfect) democracy in the region.

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"First, horrible as what is happening in Gaza is, it is not genocide. Words have meaning, they should be used carefully, particularly when they are inflammatory."

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John Without using the word ‘genocide,’ what Netanyahu and the Israeli Defense Forces have been doing in Gaza is horrific:

1) Sustained bombing that has demolished or damaged about half of Gazan structures;

2) Killed/wounded over 100,000 (mostly women/children) of 2 million civilians;

3) Severely blocked the delivery of food/water/medical supplies causing likely starvation and medical deaths for a significant number of Gazans;

4) Forced the desperate relocation of the great majority of Gazans with no apparent ‘safe havens;’

5). No clear long-term policy that doesn’t include Israeli domination/control of Gaza.

Whatever the terminology. As a former Foreign Service Officer who lunched with David Ben-Gurion in August, 1954 and lived in the Middle East for years(visited Palestinian refugees in Gaza in 1953) I am appalled that, until very recently, President Biden was complicit in much of what I record above.

Biden could have:

1) not surreptitiously sent replacement armaments to Israel; and

2) Declared that the US would sent and distribute $$$$ of humanitarian aid to the 2 million Gazans.

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I agree with almost all you said, and where I don't it's because I don't have the knowledge to opine. But I also think that we're going to need to wait a while (I hope we live long enough to see it) until we find out what's really been happening between the US and Israel since October 7th. And here in America there needs to be a lot more attention paid to the way that Hamas continues to embed its fighters among civilians knowing--and intending--that they will be killed and maimed, the immense cruelty of holding the hostages, and the fact that it constructed 450 miles of tunnels in the tiny Gaza Strip, but let civilians use none of them--not one foot--for air raid shelters. Why does that get no press?

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I agree that's what's happening in Gaza is horrible, whether you call it genocide or not. I'm not sure I agree that sending armaments to Israel was a secret. Also. I question the logistics of the U S distributing aid to Gaza against Israel opposition. Would that take an invasion?

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Well said, Jon.

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I agree Jon that it is not genocide.

But what do we label what Putin is doing to civilians in Ukraine?

And to hundreds of thousands of his own people that he is sending to Ukraine as cannon fodder?

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It's damn close to genocide.

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I suppose that next you will tell us that Israelis are clannish and have big noses.

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A tRUmp election victory will mean genocide here in the States! At least Pres. Biden, SOS Anthony Blinken & SOD Lloyd Austin are employing available resources to stop Netanyahu’s and, equally clearly Hamas attempts at genocide!

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Hamas rejects a cease fire. It's a middle East war. What do you suggest the US President to do?

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Genocide is 12 million in Nazi death camps and killing squads prelminary to a policy of mass starvation of 20 million or so to make room for Germans. Horrific as 30 thousand dead (more like 40 in reality) in Gaza is, that isn't genocide, even if there are Israelis who might wish it so.

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It might not be “genocide” in your eyes but in the eyes of the UN and other organizations it certainly is more than merely war crimes. Israel has been ignoring UN orders since the Seven Day War. With our help on the Security Council as backup. But a more interesting question is why the surrounding Arab states, with the same ethnicity as the Palestinians, are closing their gates against any Palestinian migration and safety. Eygpt as a prime example. Why are they not complicit in “genocide” ? It is way more complicated than slogans and protests but I think Joe Biden regrets that impulsive Netanyahu hug.

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According to Rashid Khalidi, The Hundred Years War on Palestine (he's a Palestinian-American, prof. of history at Columbia), the Arab countries neighboring Palestine have, for their own reasons, long given lip service and a cold shoulder to the Palestinians, both before and after the establishment of Israel. It's a very complicated history. However that may be, and whether or not it's "officially" genocide, the Israeli response to Oct. 7 is horrific. But this is a long conversation.

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I didn't say it wasn't bad. 40000 works out to abt 2% of the Gazan population, Hamas and civilians alike, who actually are all part of the same population - by and large Hamas fighters are from the general population, including rapists and torturers and murderers of 1200 Israeli civilians young and old alike. That is not genocide, whatever the rhetoric internationally is. I suspect Hamas could have been occupied without the mass destruction and death, and a slow squeeze put on Hamas with limited warfare. Maybe. Here's one columnist https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2024/01/12/israel-gaza-hamas-genocide-netanyahu-response/

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Why? See my note above re a quote from a commentator in Quora

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Well, Israel will not survive with The String ignored. Jews are the conscience of man, agnostic and atheist alike, they need not but the myths, faith in the almighty and all that, they are Survivors… hoping for the best, and the rest of us. To tolerance, to the answer to prejudice: eliminate ignorance and fear.

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Perhaps it is well to remember that Israeli settler extremists in the West Bank are terrorists, and therefore Israel, funding the settlers and giving them guns, is a state sponsor of terrorism.

See “France Calls West Bank Israeli Settler Violence a ‘Policy of Terror’”

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/france-calls-west-bank-israeli-settler-violence-policy-terror-2023-11-16/

and

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/israel-gaza-west-bank-settler-violence-palestinians-rcna123311

and "The Rise of Settler Terrorism" (published in Foreign Affairs)

https://www.jstor.org/stable/41720862

Here is my peace plan for the Middle East:

1. Israel faces an existential crisis as soon as the U.S. "aid spigot" gets cut off for whatever reason (including possible American political or economic crisis).

2. Any viable solution must enable Israel to be secure without constant infusions of American aid.

3. This requires peace with Israel’s neighbors, including Turkey, Iran and Saudi Arabia.

4. This requires undoing the Nakba terrorist atrocity and withdrawing to the U.N.-mandated pre-1948 borders.

5. This can only be done in the context of peaceful economic integration throughout the region, for the benefit of all. A lasting peace must be guaranteed individually by each permanent member of the U.N. Security council, and endorsed by Israel’s neighbors.

6. The recent Hamas atrocities were sparked by provocations (yet again) at the Dome of the Rock. The dream of rebuilding the Temple of Herod must be given up and replaced by the will to rebuild the Temple of Solomon in its correct location.

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Eventually the world will see, reluctantly, that the only solution is the total destruction, down to the foundation, of religion. Religion is supposed to civilize us, to appeal to our better instincts, but it has ever done that imperfectly at best, and it is now becoming an existential threat to humankind.

There have always been peaceful minority religions, but they have always been shoved aside while the dominant religions “ride the beast” of politics to have the power and wealth of the world.

Enough! How long before this solution becomes unavoidable?

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Are you naive about Islam and it's attitude towards any one who is not Muslim? Read the Koran:

2:191, 3:21, 5:33, 8:22, 8:60, 9:5, 9:23, 22:19, 47:4.

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There was nothing going on at Al Asqa in October. No idiot Israeli was even caught praying there for a change.

That’s the Palestinian reason Every Time—every single time—they shoot rockets into Israel or commit car bombings.

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Vote with great reluctance for Biden. As I will. What other choice is there?

What choice did/does Biden have? He had to support our "ally". And, the Jewish lobby is very strong. He's between that "rock and a hard place".

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Genocide? Israel is deliberately trying to exterminate all the Palestinians. And why are you only blaming Israel but not Hamas?

At least Hamas is honest about declaring they want to deliberately exterminate all Jews.

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Since Hamas won't agree to any cease fire. What are your suggestions to stop the war there?

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Yes.PLEASE. We, the American taxpayers, are complicit in genocide and have been for several months now. How to stop it?

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We step to stop, to break the String, and Hamas must go. Palestinians support their bestial masters, Iran sits atop the pile leading to Moscow’s Big Man… and The String.

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No. Not so. Thanatos is at work. Eros is losing. See Civilization and Its Discontents, Sigmund Freud’s last.

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How do you force another sovereign nation do what you want?

Those screaming “stop the military aid” don’t realize the aid money = profits for US military vendors. Stopping the aid money hurts US workers. The U.S. long ago sacrificed any principles or values on the alter of The God of Mammon.

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Tell Hamas.

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What do you think of Trump's proposal to Netanyahu, "Finish it"

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Cannot finish a theory. Will not exterminate a people.

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"the coming election might be our last"

The Russian Federation, Hungary, and Iran have elections. Just as the captured US Supreme Court hears arguments and hands down decisions. And Republican legislators vote in Congress.

The point is to institute antidemocratic policy through nominally democratic procedures.

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Exactly, pretend democracy fools a lot of fools

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It is clear that we already have an illiberal, anti-democracy, pro-Trump court. In this last decision they decided that they could rewrite the Constitution. I fear they will help sabotage this election.

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Already have and they are not done yet.

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Exactly. He will institute a two governmental system. The overt system that is a 'democracy' in name only and a shadow/covert system of a fascist regime pulling the strings of the 'in name only democracy'. The overt 'democracy' will be used to cover-up and explain the string-pulling fascism.

Chaos will become the norm and we will be told it is the rule of law.

We will witness the ultimate example of national gaslighting.

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Yes. With Putin in charge… Trump laundering his money from the cartel based in Moscow… into his bankrupt company… that should do it.

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Alas, Susan, creating the REAL “deep state” they keep whining about.

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What ever the Republicans accuse the Democrats of, they are doing....right?

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Yep, sure worked for the Nazis

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My favorite example is how Biden stole the Democratic nomination from Bernie Sanders.

A close second is how the 2008 North Carolina primary got stolen from Hillary. We have not-quite-fake elections where the totals get trimmed one way or another, depending on who's counting votes at the county and state levels.

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BS

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Not exactly a rebuttal. I have more to say on this subject in my reply to Susan, here:

https://heathercoxrichardson.substack.com/p/march-5-2024-tuesday/comment/51040435

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Now that is an excellent example of masterful gaslighting. Congratulations.

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Susan,

There is a strong taboo against discussing the evidence of routine, entrenched computerized vote fraud. The book "Votescam: The Stealing of America” gives the example of the 1992 New Hampshire Republican primary, featuring George H.W. Bush versus Patrick Buchanan, in which the results were "impossibly" at odds with pre-vote polls.

https://books.google.com/books/about/Votescam.html?id=ZxpZCgAAQBAJ&printsec=frontcover&source=kp_read_button&hl=en&newbks=1&newbks_redir=0&gboemv=1#v=onepage&q&f=false

The 2020 Massachusetts Democratic primary featured an "impossible" brace of four-percent skews from the EXIT polls (at the expense of both Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren), giving Biden a hair-thin win.

See https://tdmsresearch.com/2020/03/04/massachusetts-2020-democratic-party-primary/

This comes from the same source that showed that the results for the 2020 Alabama Senate race were heavily skewed in favor of Tommy Tuberville. Computerized vote fraud is a bipartisan problem.

There is a bogus "fact check" article that dishonestly debunks the above-linked analysis of the 2020 Massachusetts primary:

https://www.factcheck.org/2020/03/no-huge-red-flag-that-fraud-occurred-in-mass-primary/

In the 2008 primary race, it was do-or-die for Hillary in the North Carolina primary. I remembered, from "Votescam: The Stealing of America," the story of how "the computers crashed" late at night and eventually came back up with skewed numbers.

I planned to stay up late as results came in from North Carolina, and the same thing happened. Hillary and Obama were neck-and-neck when, around 11:00, the computers crashed. I stayed up to see the reported results the moment they re-started. Sure enough, somewhere around 3:00 in the morning, the first new result came in with Hillary's total flat and a big jump for Obama, putting both the primary and the nomination out of reach for Hillary.

For a couple days there was some speculation that Hillary would challenge the results, but she didn't. The North Carolina Attorney General Ray Cooper went on to become Governor, and North Carolina was gifted the next Democratic convention.

I voted for Hillary in the California primary, and for Obama in the general election.

Hillary went on, as Secretary of State, to become the Butcher of Libya, pressuring a reluctant Obama to go far beyond the United Nations mandate and effect regime change in Libya, turning that country into a festering failed state.

In the 2020 primary race, I supported Tulsi Gabbard , who aptly called Hillary the "corrupt queen of the war-mongers." The Democratic Party has lost its soul.

Question: How many people died suddenly when they were about to testify against Bill and Hillary Clinton?

Answer: Count 'em up for yourself:

https://whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/POLITICS/BODIES.php

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John, I agree with a lot of what you say, like the Democrats weren’t democratic when they dumped Bernie. But try not to be insulting to the folks here. It just angers them and feeds division.I got blocked from HCR’s facebook chat because I said it is a cruel lie to say my vote for RFKJR is a vote for Trump. She doesn’t tolerate opinions that divert from hers.

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And voting for RFKJr isn't a vote for Trump? Both are unqualified to be in the White House.

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Ann, I actually believe that's not entirely accurate -- I believe there are many Never Trumpers who will also never vote for Biden. RFK jr may suit them. Those votes basically get washed out (John Daigle and others will disagree), leaving trompy's base against the much wider base of Dem voters plus independents who cannot fathom another red-hatted admin.

I'm certainly no political scientist, but this is how I see it.

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Well, I hope you are correct (can't bring myself to say "right" these days).

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A vote for RFKJR is just that. And now that he is on the Nevada ballot, he is appealing to the college students there , as well as the blacks.Go Bobby!

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That’s an opinion, I believe he is very qualified and our only hope

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Sure, the anti vaxxer and "Q" supporter is who we need.

Even his own family thinks he's nuts.

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It's not an opinion it's a fact. If he's your only hope, YOU, you are hopeless.

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And your post is an opinion also. What qualifies him?

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Only hope for what? An Anti-science opportunists who will do what exactly if

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A vote for JFKJr is a vote for Trump. It's no lie. It's reality.

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Do you really know that is why you were blocked? I find this hard to believe.

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She read my comment in her February 13 chat and called me out for it by name saying I only have 2 followers and post nothing but my picture.That’s when I got blocked , no explanation , no response to my inquiry.

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Cry more and see my reply above.

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You really need to relocate to another country or universe.

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Please do not enable the troll.

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Roy Wallace, your effort to intimidate is unworthy.

My reply to Susan goes for you, too:

https://heathercoxrichardson.substack.com/p/march-5-2024-tuesday/comment/51040435

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Cry more.

Poor Bernie boy has a sad.

Maybe Bernie should have run on his own.

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Please do not enable the troll.

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Good point.

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When the mass deportations begin the morning of day one, how will that affect the mental health of a nation? How does it affect people today?

He just gave local cops an order to break the law and arrest people however and whomever they “feel” like. The candidate just gave the order for the law to act with lawlessness, dropped due process, drop Miranda and it’s not a lead story in the news! WTF AMERICA! Where is the outrage???

Dont underestimate how much damage the evil orange clown is causing everyday in his vile communications with the people. The “purge” is what he wants and doesn’t care. The Republican Party has failed America, broken the trust with the People,

Then economically, how will mass deportations affect industries that rely on that labor? How can any economy thrive in a state of lawlessness, chaos, and no due process. Rat on your neighbor, pay off the police, lie about everything. Consider Dr Bandy Lee. Imagine a mass firing of progressive professors across the nation. Mass firings of the good journalists.

Should he not win, what then? We think J6 and fake electors were bad? Expect a whole lot more mass violence, in DC, at the state houses, at the county the county level, expect deviant administrative schemes, and a protectionist SCOTUS giving credibility to each bogus claim. I feel that is where we could be headed this November. Shame on the Republicans for letting an oath breaking insurrectionists seditionist run in the first place. Do not understand a malignant narcissist sociopath who is cornered financially and legally with no way out but to win back the highest power in the world.

Hope for the best. Manage for the worst possible outcome. It can happen here. Vote like the future of democracy depends on it. Hope. Vote. Prepare.

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Taylor Swift …. Are u listening?

The voting suppression/purge has begun:

https://open.substack.com/pub/thomhartmann/p/the-great-2024-voting-purge-has-begun-a1a?r=44kjm&utm_medium=ios

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It’s Game On. Let’s Roll.

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S.B. Lewis: Orwellian Tyranny . . . Orange-Swampcreature is a figure conjured by George Orwell.

But it seems like the Democratic Party treats this election as too routine. I LOVE Rachel Maddow, Alex Wagner, and the whole Night Crew.

During the Depression, we had the sonorous, humane Franklin Delano Roosevelt -- who spoke slowly and pronounced each word clearly and always with a ring of humor and joy, and no Republican could touch him.

A living memory to me (I was 12) was the run of John Fitzgerald Kennedy and (to this innocent, star-struck 12-year-old) WONDERFUL Jacqueline Bouvier Kennedy. Jacqueline Bouvier Kennedy's culture and grace won my admiration and love. Jack Kennedy's Lincolnesque rhetoric captured my imagination. If Jack Kennedy said it, it was interesting and attractive.

In all of America, we don't have a JFK or FDR to electrify the populace?

Americans are left with "The Apprentice" whose chief accomplishment is to utter, "You're FIRED!"

And HE is going to be the Dictator.

And what Heather Cox Richardson points out is this:

"Just as voters don’t appear to know much about what the administration has done to make their lives better, a recent study from a Democratic pollster suggests that voters don’t seem to know much about Trump’s statements attacking democracy. When informed of them, their opinion of Trump falls."

Where is THE FIGHT in the American People to avert the avalanche into Tyranny?!

The finding about the voter is that the American populace is apathetic towards its own decline into dictatorship.

Is THAT the end of the story?!

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We, as a people, have become a country of snowflakes, told we should be outraged at inconsequential things, ignoring the disintegration of the norms in all branches of our government and society. Religion in the court? Religion in the House? and at a time when a minority of the populous attend a church. We should be outraged at the "Christian" takeover of our government, local, state, and federal. Let's not forget that religious organizations pay no taxes. All that tax-free money to invest in your favorite politician, all they have to do is toe the Christine line.

We all need to vote and spread the word to get religion out of our government,NOW.

Sorry, I just felt the need to vent.

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Heather, you say this well. We, as a people, have been dumbed down, lost critical thinking skills, and have become enamoured with social media that tells us how to think and what to wear, and what we should watch and listen to.

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Heather Kirk, Ally House (Oregon): CONCUR on all counts.

Orange-GRIFT would bring America a Victor-Orban/Hungarian ILLIBERAL Democracy.

In other words, Democratic forms, oligarchic or dictator in reality.

When after Sulla, Marius, Pompeius Magnus (Pompey the Great), Julius Caesar, the continuous civil wars, when Octavian finally defeated Mark Anthony on the side of Cleopatra, the former Octavian, now dubbed with the honorific, "Augustus" or even "Augustus Caesar", the proud and stable, freedom-loving ROMAN REPUBLIC fell to the Imperial CAESAR.

The difference was Augustus Caesar had reverence for Roman History and was careful to retain THE FORMS of the Roman Republic, even as he declared himself, "First Among Equals" -- the "Principes" -- from which we derive, "Prince."

And under Augustus Caesar, Rome attained its cultural height: Ovid, Vergil, Livy . . .

Instead, well, we would have, writ large on our TV Screens: "The APPRENTICE!"

And what I really cannot get over: "The immigrants are POISONING our blood". Republicans really are offended, if we point out that the Third Reich used this rhetoric.

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I feel the same Heather.

When most judges on SCOTUS are Catholic and two are sexual predators it is unsurprising that they are releasing theocratic decisions. For some reason, since the Catholic Church has always relegated women, children and people of color to non-management roles, they feel no need to mete out equal justice in spite of what the US Constitution says.

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Sure seems like that.

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Shall we thank Leonard Leo? There's such a long list.

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Relaity doesn't play games.

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Definitely!Our democracy is threatened by Dumpster Trumpster and his MAGA Minnions!!He’s best friends with PUTTIE who is a dictator- this is not a good picture!!We need to make sure we keep our democracy intact!!

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