It is amazing. How many people get paid for ordering a clerk to read 600 pages to the senate and there is no one in the Senate? The senate needs to change. I can’t imagine any other organization, business or school being allowed to operate like this. Start acting like responsible adults. Show up and do the work you were elected to do. Playing these games in a middle of a crisis is obscene.
It is amazing. How many people get paid for ordering a clerk to read 600 pages to the senate and there is no one in the Senate? The senate needs to change. I can’t imagine any other organization, business or school being allowed to operate like this. Start acting like responsible adults. Show up and do the work you were elected to do. Playing these games in a middle of a crisis is obscene.
What name calling are you referring to? There was none. Liz provided a pretty straightforward description of behavior by an array of obscenely anti-American lawmakers.
Profanity and sarcasm are my primary "go to" commentary languages. I have noted an objection to direct profanity (the full words themselves) but less to those that abbreviate or utilize symbols in lieu of all the letters. I am mostly able to abide by those requests to "keep it clean" although I will sometimes mention that my choice of words is intentional to avoid profanity, blasphemy, and vulgarity in my word choice. I do not feel that referring to those three (and others) as both "obscene" and indicating the nature of their currency with initials is in any way out of line.
Hi Ally I appreciate your distinction between aspects of language that are ruled often by passion and frustration— while I love finding the exact civil word , I also allow myself to curse like a longshoreman when so moved— btw I had an actual sweet Italian longshoreman who was an uncle. It’s my long considered opinion that men have reserved the fun release of these words for themselves in the company of men. So we were left out of the fun. Our caste.
Well said, David. When writing, some favorites are schist, apse-whole, and flook. When speaking, i.e. not documenting myself, word choice is more ... pungent, more ... bracing.
But here, in this forum, our hard felt comments need not be so private. We come here so that we learn, discuss, and be just downright fucking honest with one another.
My favorite philosophy professor said that the thing we needed was public flogging... he believed that it was the most effective method of controlling the social mores and norms. Just let your imagination play with that for a while...
Oh, good names, David! I retract my petty concern and apologize for my misplaced guard rail.
Dementors vote Republican! The only good Republican is a retired Republican! That is cathartic. Republicans hate earth science. Ship the Republicans back to Saudi Arabia where their loyalties lay!
SOOOO where are the news people who have guts enough to do that? Or have the media heads made the decision that that wouldn't be profitable? It shouldn't be left up to Twitter (of all places) to be truthful. (which of course a good deal of the time they are NOT).
Hmmm. Some news people do much better than others and it seems their ratings don’t suffer. Wonder if it would matter if viewers were vocal and made specific requests, like we do with our MOC? Seems like nowadays “news” personalities need training in psych in order to get to the truth?
Yeah, Christy, I shouldnt have lumped all together - yes, there are those who really say it like it is. I hope enough people LISTEN to them & comprehend! There are far too many """personalities""" whose words are taken as news. THOSE are the ones who need to have their feet burned!!
Great framework by Ruth Ben-Ghiat: Republicans are disciplined in their playbook for power, and Trump et al. are operatives using the psychological warfare tactic of repeating lies.
They really need some major changes in the Senate... term limits, more accountability, I mean that with very few exceptions it’s a old rich guy frat party.
It's right here, and in the editorial and 'Letters to the Editor' pages but there is every indication that Mr. Johnson doesn't care at all what people say about him.
Where did he get this born-again hubris? He was always such an empty suit, a real wimp! I have to believe that there are 99 pairs of eyes rolling every time he speaks!
It is amazing. How many people get paid for ordering a clerk to read 600 pages to the senate and there is no one in the Senate? The senate needs to change. I can’t imagine any other organization, business or school being allowed to operate like this. Start acting like responsible adults. Show up and do the work you were elected to do. Playing these games in a middle of a crisis is obscene.
These people from Ted Cruz to Johnson to Ms. Green are obscene to the core.—bs is their currency.
What name calling are you referring to? There was none. Liz provided a pretty straightforward description of behavior by an array of obscenely anti-American lawmakers.
Yes she did! Excuse me, I am the hall monitor. May I see your pass?!
Liz, you are 100% right!
Omg Cynthia thank you!
Yay!
Yes, Daria!
Daria thank you
Profanity and sarcasm are my primary "go to" commentary languages. I have noted an objection to direct profanity (the full words themselves) but less to those that abbreviate or utilize symbols in lieu of all the letters. I am mostly able to abide by those requests to "keep it clean" although I will sometimes mention that my choice of words is intentional to avoid profanity, blasphemy, and vulgarity in my word choice. I do not feel that referring to those three (and others) as both "obscene" and indicating the nature of their currency with initials is in any way out of line.
Hear! Hear!
Hi Ally I appreciate your distinction between aspects of language that are ruled often by passion and frustration— while I love finding the exact civil word , I also allow myself to curse like a longshoreman when so moved— btw I had an actual sweet Italian longshoreman who was an uncle. It’s my long considered opinion that men have reserved the fun release of these words for themselves in the company of men. So we were left out of the fun. Our caste.
Well said, David. When writing, some favorites are schist, apse-whole, and flook. When speaking, i.e. not documenting myself, word choice is more ... pungent, more ... bracing.
I love bracing — like fresh cool air we’re allowed to run around in without restrictions
Good— I try for accuracy even when bleary eyed
Why are we self policing?
Because we can and should.
Restraint is well and good, but I feel like we're walking a fine line recently. I've been getting a snowflakey vibe lately.
Self-policing helps to forestall outside policing.
Hmm
Self policing is discretion or the better portion of valor
Really?????????????? I agree with Cynthia - is there an actual hall monitor required in each comment?
In a Democracy, free people self monitor. That keeps it private.
But here, in this forum, our hard felt comments need not be so private. We come here so that we learn, discuss, and be just downright fucking honest with one another.
We do and I’m finding it a welcome release.
Only reason I like this place.
Hmm
Only the hall monitor in your head
I want to know if Senator Ron Johnson was required to stay for the reading he requested.
Of course he wasn’t. Is there no venue for public excoriation of this unethical power hungry obstructionist?
Used to be the stocks where the public could throw rotten vegetable etc!
I find this forum much more satisfying
My favorite philosophy professor said that the thing we needed was public flogging... he believed that it was the most effective method of controlling the social mores and norms. Just let your imagination play with that for a while...
I’d hate to be the flogee
Ewww! Yes! Or the flogger!
Going back 500 years already!
No need. I believe it's still done in places like Saudi Arabia and Singapore(?). Book your trips now!
Oh, good names, David! I retract my petty concern and apologize for my misplaced guard rail.
Dementors vote Republican! The only good Republican is a retired Republican! That is cathartic. Republicans hate earth science. Ship the Republicans back to Saudi Arabia where their loyalties lay!
Ship recalcitrant repugs to a planet of Saturn.
Nice explanation for how to publicly hold their feet to the fire for lying if anyone is interested. I wish this would be common practice: https://mobile.twitter.com/ruthbenghiat/status/1366799156136857613
SOOOO where are the news people who have guts enough to do that? Or have the media heads made the decision that that wouldn't be profitable? It shouldn't be left up to Twitter (of all places) to be truthful. (which of course a good deal of the time they are NOT).
Hmmm. Some news people do much better than others and it seems their ratings don’t suffer. Wonder if it would matter if viewers were vocal and made specific requests, like we do with our MOC? Seems like nowadays “news” personalities need training in psych in order to get to the truth?
Yeah, Christy, I shouldnt have lumped all together - yes, there are those who really say it like it is. I hope enough people LISTEN to them & comprehend! There are far too many """personalities""" whose words are taken as news. THOSE are the ones who need to have their feet burned!!
Great framework by Ruth Ben-Ghiat: Republicans are disciplined in their playbook for power, and Trump et al. are operatives using the psychological warfare tactic of repeating lies.
Would seem the Democrats collectively could learn something about being disciplined themselves, right? Seems to be lacking.
They really need some major changes in the Senate... term limits, more accountability, I mean that with very few exceptions it’s a old rich guy frat party.
I’m unsure about term limits because I would love to see a council of crones, surely a pipe dream currently though. But accountability would surely be a great start. Let’s put Senator Warren in charge please 🙏 https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/584853.Grandmothers_Counsel_the_World
So true
It's right here, and in the editorial and 'Letters to the Editor' pages but there is every indication that Mr. Johnson doesn't care at all what people say about him.
Where did he get this born-again hubris? He was always such an empty suit, a real wimp! I have to believe that there are 99 pairs of eyes rolling every time he speaks!
He's gone off on a tangent all his own and I'm not confident that even the voices in his head know what he's going to say or do next.
He should be.
Doesn't appear that Johnson is required to stay, Jay. https://www.forbes.com/sites/andrewsolender/2021/03/04/senate-chamber-empties-as-reading-of-628-page-relief-bill-gets-underway/?sh=7672d9577c15
That’s it! He should be benched for the rest of the game.
No. And he did not. Would you like his private email address?
Our tax dollars at work
NOT at work.
No they’re floating
I say that so many times a day.z ugh