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Fern, I happen to nudge towards your angle on this. Biden has a history of gaffes. This line plays into our historic knowledge of “Uncle Joe”. I believe it opened a Hugh front to divert attention from the crisis to the MSM entertainment/outrage machine. By saying such a consequential line, at such a pivotal moment in the war, it emboldens all the conspiracists - Putin included- to claim that America has only wanted regime change. And our history with “regime-change” blunders feeds this. It’s a remark that will vibrate a force to split Americans further, and most unfortunately, endanger the fragile solidarity of NATO. All the while Zelensky is passionately criticizing NATO for eloquent words but no muscled effectual help.

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Michele, You extended the understanding of how Biden's line interrupted very significant business. I never considered his mouthing this time a 'gaffe' because in my opinion it was more consequential than that. During wartime, to incite the enemy and provide propaganda -- not made up stuff -- but right out there for the world to see -- that is a strategic mistake written large. You pointed to our history of 'regime change'. We're an easy mark on that score. I don't know that it will split NATO, but it is definitely cause for concern. I think TC frequently says, 'It's not easy.' Is it not!

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Just want to thank Fern, et al, for the above discussion. I came in late to the thread this Sunday so I am just now getting into it. This back and forth keeps us from being a bubbly echo chamber!!!

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I think that you have expressed the democratic spirit, Carol, in favor of robust exchange and a search for the truth. That isn't so easy -- plenty of shades in the mix. This is a very difficult time as we work together in the midst of a tragic, uncalled for war and a wobbly democracy at home. No matter - when I think of the Ukrainian people, I feel good as they have shown us strength as well as sorrow. Too many bad actors around and many more good ones, including the subscribers on the forum. Cheers, Carol, on we go.🌈🌻❤️

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