I read the Nation article you linked. To summarize, it says there is a small faction of far-right, neo-nazis in Ukraine. Further, it says these neo-nazis have formed paramilitary groups and have some connections in the police and military. Basically, they are describing Ukraine’s version of our own Three Percenters or Proud Boys (you cou…
I read the Nation article you linked. To summarize, it says there is a small faction of far-right, neo-nazis in Ukraine. Further, it says these neo-nazis have formed paramilitary groups and have some connections in the police and military. Basically, they are describing Ukraine’s version of our own Three Percenters or Proud Boys (you could easily read this article and substitute “Three Percenters” for “Maidan”). Neo-nazi groups like this can be found in every western democracy. These are not mainstream groups. Their existence does not mean that Zelenskiy is a “thug” (a Jewish neo-nazi? really?) or the Ukrainian government is a neo-nazi regime, any more than the existence of the Proud Boys means Biden is a neo-nazi thug. Your hyperbole is breath-taking.
Interesting sidenote - an account @John_Schmeeckle has been suspended by Twitter for behaving like a troll bot, focusing on attacking Ukraine and reposting Russian propaganda, going back well before Putin’s invasion, and linking to numerous articles from Sputnik News (amongst others). The same John Schmeeckle? Who knows.
Zelensky was presiding over the ongoing neo-Nazi atrocities in the Donbass (artillery shelling of civilian targets, like what the Serbs did to the Bosnians), until the Russian invasion made him stop.
Beyond that, the principal supporter behind Zelensky's rise to power was the same Ukrainian oligarch who funded the neo-Nazi Azov battalion:
Well John, one final comment. I think you are confused or again flipping a projection of facts. The Russian supported separatists in the Donbass, complete with Russian sniper corps and military supplies, was the first act of this Russian aggression.
As to Ukranian oligarch(s) supporting Zelensky, this is laughable. Zelensky won his election with 73% of the vote, and with a platform to fight corruption. You might find supporting right wing conspiracies, as evident of the articles in StationGossip, just that, conspiracies, versus the facts.
I think that Putin really thinks that Russia faces an existential threat from an expanding NATO.
Ukraine never kept its promises in the Minsk accords that ended the fighting in 2014, and there has been periodic artillery shelling (comparable to what the Bosnians did to the Serbians, provoking a NATO attack) ever since.
Before Russia attacked, Ukraine was building up troops along the Donbass line of control, apparently preparing to invade. (I remember reading that the IMF insisted that Ukraine re-absorb the breakaway region, so the eastern ethnic Russians could be taxed to help pay the unpayble debt.)
Finally, Ukraine publicly floated the idea of getting nuclear weapons again, just before Russia attacked.
I think it is clear that "democracy" in Ukraine is a sham. It seems clear that both neo-Nazi thugs in the streets and support from the USA were necessary for the 2014 coup/revolution to succeed. The neo-Nazis were put in charge of security, and nobody was punished for the Odessa Barbecue that terrorized the people throughout the country. Two pro-Russia politicians got killed, and nobody was punished.
It seems to me that the American leadership, in the White House and in both parties in both houses of Congress (and fully supported by the mainstream news media) is marching toward a nuclear war that we would probably lose, because of Russia's temporary advantage in military technology.
My assessment is that, if the American leadership remains unreasonably hostile to Putin's seemingly reasonable demands (for example, no re-run of the Cubsn missile crisis), Russia will not hesitate to (for example) declare that sanctions against Russia's banking sector are acts of war and launch a nuclear attack whenever they think it is to their strategic advantage.
I do not see the current regime as neo-Nazi. I do understand that there were problems before. What is troubling to me is that you are repeating Russian propaganda. I am an old school D, not related to anyone important except way back and long dead. I was brought up in a Republican state by Republican parents.
The way I see things, there was no real change when Zelensky was brought to power (through the help of a friendly oligarch), although some of the grosser violations probably stopped.
I think that Putin really thinks that Russia faces an existential threat from an expanding NATO.
Ukraine never kept its promises in the Minsk accords that ended the fighting in 2014, and there has been periodic artillery shelling (comparable to what the Bosnians did to the Serbians, provoking a NATO attack) ever since.
Before Russia attacked, Ukraine was building up troops along the Donbass line of control, apparently preparing to invade. (I remember reading that the IMF insisted that Ukraine re-absorb the breakaway region, so the eastern ethnic Russians could be taxed to help pay the unpayble debt.)
Finally, Ukraine publicly floated the idea of getting nuclear weapons again, just before Russia attacked.
I think it is clear that "democracy" in Ukraine is a sham. It seems clear that both neo-Nazi thugs in the streets and support from the USA were necessary for the 2014 coup/revolution to succeed. The neo-Nazis were put in charge of security, and nobody was punished for the Odessa Barbecue that terrorized the people throughout the country. Two pro-Russia politicians got killed, and nobody was punished.
It seems to me that the American leadership, in the White House and in both parties in both houses of Congress (and fully supported by the mainstream news media) is marching toward a nuclear war that we would probably lose, because of Russia's temporary advantage in military technology.
My assessment is that, if the American leadership remains unreasonably hostile to Putin's seemingly reasonable demands (for example, no re-run of the Cuban missile crisis), Russia will not hesitate to (for example) declare that sanctions against Russia's banking sector are acts of war and launch a nuclear attack whenever they think it is to their strategic advantage.
Everyone seems to be worried about a nuclear attack. However, whatever the problems in Ukraine, I cannot support Putin who has proven himself a bad guy in many ways. The Russians did interfere in the election in 2016 and yes, I know that's not the only reason death star won. This to me is unforgivable and that extends to any party that aided and abetted mafia don. I do understand that politics are not pure and all sorts of bad actors are often involved in Ukraine and everywhere else. Our record is certainly not pure either. As usual, ordinary people are paying the price. And I cannot support the idea that anyone will win a nuclear war. Frankly, I am tired of being in thrall to a relatively small number of people who make up the rich and powerful.
My understanding is that the claim that Putin interfered in the 2016 presidential election is a proven-false Big Lie, but the evidence isn't discussed in the mainstream news media. I understand that the ongoing Durham special investigation is likely to slowly bring forth new revelations about this.
Looks that way. His posts are all over the internet. Many of those who believe as he does seem to think everyone else is as gullible as they are but won't admit to being.
JR, your comment reads like an attempt at Nazi-style disinformation in support of the Ukrainian neo-Nazi thug regime. I will quote from the second and third paragraphs of that article from The Nation, which you pointedly ignore:
"There are neo-Nazi pogroms against the Roma, rampant attacks on feminists and LGBT groups, book bans, and state-sponsored glorification of Nazi collaborators.
"These stories of Ukraine’s dark nationalism aren’t coming out of Moscow; they’re being filed by Western media, including US-funded Radio Free Europe (RFE); Jewish organizations such as the World Jewish Congress and the Simon Wiesenthal Center; and watchdogs like Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch, and Freedom House, which issued a joint report warning that Kiev is losing the monopoly on the use of force in the country as far-right gangs operate with impunity."
JR, you come across as a McCarthyist bigot and an apologist for Ukrainian neo-Nazi atrocities. May you please change your tune.
The four year old Nation article described a minority group in Ukraine. Anti-Semitism has always been a factor in Eastern Europe and bears watching, just as it does in the United States. This is probably why the historic emigration of Jews from Europe came mostly from Eastern European countries and not from Germany or France. The Nation article does not justify opposition to today's Ukraine government.
Zelensky was presiding over the ongoing neo-Nazi atrocities in the Donbass (artillery shelling of civilian targets, like what the Serbs did to the Bosnians), until the Russian invasion made him stop.
Beyond that, the principal supporter behind Zelensky's rise to power was the same Ukrainian oligarch who funded the neo-Nazi Azov battalion:
As others have pointed out, that Nation article (2018) pre-dates Zelenskiy’s election and democratic reforms (which are a work in process, there’s a lot of resistance from oligarchs and right-wingers). The most recent Freedom House analysis of Ukraine calls it a “nation in transition”, with a rating of 39/100 on their freedom scale. Freedom House rates Putin’s Russia as “not free”, with a rating of 19/100. If we are going to call a country a “neo-nazi thug regime” then Putin’s Russia wins hands down. BTW, “may you please change your tune” is an unusual phrasing. не могли бы вы изменить свою мелодию?
I read the Nation article you linked. To summarize, it says there is a small faction of far-right, neo-nazis in Ukraine. Further, it says these neo-nazis have formed paramilitary groups and have some connections in the police and military. Basically, they are describing Ukraine’s version of our own Three Percenters or Proud Boys (you could easily read this article and substitute “Three Percenters” for “Maidan”). Neo-nazi groups like this can be found in every western democracy. These are not mainstream groups. Their existence does not mean that Zelenskiy is a “thug” (a Jewish neo-nazi? really?) or the Ukrainian government is a neo-nazi regime, any more than the existence of the Proud Boys means Biden is a neo-nazi thug. Your hyperbole is breath-taking.
Interesting sidenote - an account @John_Schmeeckle has been suspended by Twitter for behaving like a troll bot, focusing on attacking Ukraine and reposting Russian propaganda, going back well before Putin’s invasion, and linking to numerous articles from Sputnik News (amongst others). The same John Schmeeckle? Who knows.
http://www.vicnims.com/profile/1467773232455598088
Mind you the Nation's article was written in February 2018, and Zelensky was elected in March 2019. JR's comment is spot on.
Replying to JR and Brad Christo:
Zelensky was presiding over the ongoing neo-Nazi atrocities in the Donbass (artillery shelling of civilian targets, like what the Serbs did to the Bosnians), until the Russian invasion made him stop.
Beyond that, the principal supporter behind Zelensky's rise to power was the same Ukrainian oligarch who funded the neo-Nazi Azov battalion:
http://www.stationgossip.com/2022/03/it-all-comes-together-hunter-burisma.html?m=1
Well John, one final comment. I think you are confused or again flipping a projection of facts. The Russian supported separatists in the Donbass, complete with Russian sniper corps and military supplies, was the first act of this Russian aggression.
As to Ukranian oligarch(s) supporting Zelensky, this is laughable. Zelensky won his election with 73% of the vote, and with a platform to fight corruption. You might find supporting right wing conspiracies, as evident of the articles in StationGossip, just that, conspiracies, versus the facts.
I think that Putin really thinks that Russia faces an existential threat from an expanding NATO.
Ukraine never kept its promises in the Minsk accords that ended the fighting in 2014, and there has been periodic artillery shelling (comparable to what the Bosnians did to the Serbians, provoking a NATO attack) ever since.
Before Russia attacked, Ukraine was building up troops along the Donbass line of control, apparently preparing to invade. (I remember reading that the IMF insisted that Ukraine re-absorb the breakaway region, so the eastern ethnic Russians could be taxed to help pay the unpayble debt.)
Finally, Ukraine publicly floated the idea of getting nuclear weapons again, just before Russia attacked.
I think it is clear that "democracy" in Ukraine is a sham. It seems clear that both neo-Nazi thugs in the streets and support from the USA were necessary for the 2014 coup/revolution to succeed. The neo-Nazis were put in charge of security, and nobody was punished for the Odessa Barbecue that terrorized the people throughout the country. Two pro-Russia politicians got killed, and nobody was punished.
It seems to me that the American leadership, in the White House and in both parties in both houses of Congress (and fully supported by the mainstream news media) is marching toward a nuclear war that we would probably lose, because of Russia's temporary advantage in military technology.
My assessment is that, if the American leadership remains unreasonably hostile to Putin's seemingly reasonable demands (for example, no re-run of the Cubsn missile crisis), Russia will not hesitate to (for example) declare that sanctions against Russia's banking sector are acts of war and launch a nuclear attack whenever they think it is to their strategic advantage.
copy, paste, repeat...
Of the three times that I posted my assessment, each one was seen by different people.
Professional, right?
Professional truck driver, I have an honest job
Couldn't resist. John, nobody wins a nuclear war. It saddens me how conspiracies warp thinking; I do wish you well.
Brad Christo, you continue to subtly sneer without engaging with what I said.
Bravo
Many thanks for this reply. I was thinking John was a troll. I can't think the last name is common. I found the post offensive no matter who he is.
Michele, I am who I am, and the Ukrainian neo-Nazi regime is what it is, and JR lies easily.
I think of myself as an old-school Democrat in the tradition of my grandmother's fourth cousin Franklin D. Roosevelt.
I do not see the current regime as neo-Nazi. I do understand that there were problems before. What is troubling to me is that you are repeating Russian propaganda. I am an old school D, not related to anyone important except way back and long dead. I was brought up in a Republican state by Republican parents.
The way I see things, there was no real change when Zelensky was brought to power (through the help of a friendly oligarch), although some of the grosser violations probably stopped.
I think that Putin really thinks that Russia faces an existential threat from an expanding NATO.
Ukraine never kept its promises in the Minsk accords that ended the fighting in 2014, and there has been periodic artillery shelling (comparable to what the Bosnians did to the Serbians, provoking a NATO attack) ever since.
Before Russia attacked, Ukraine was building up troops along the Donbass line of control, apparently preparing to invade. (I remember reading that the IMF insisted that Ukraine re-absorb the breakaway region, so the eastern ethnic Russians could be taxed to help pay the unpayble debt.)
Finally, Ukraine publicly floated the idea of getting nuclear weapons again, just before Russia attacked.
I think it is clear that "democracy" in Ukraine is a sham. It seems clear that both neo-Nazi thugs in the streets and support from the USA were necessary for the 2014 coup/revolution to succeed. The neo-Nazis were put in charge of security, and nobody was punished for the Odessa Barbecue that terrorized the people throughout the country. Two pro-Russia politicians got killed, and nobody was punished.
It seems to me that the American leadership, in the White House and in both parties in both houses of Congress (and fully supported by the mainstream news media) is marching toward a nuclear war that we would probably lose, because of Russia's temporary advantage in military technology.
My assessment is that, if the American leadership remains unreasonably hostile to Putin's seemingly reasonable demands (for example, no re-run of the Cuban missile crisis), Russia will not hesitate to (for example) declare that sanctions against Russia's banking sector are acts of war and launch a nuclear attack whenever they think it is to their strategic advantage.
copy, paste, repeat again...
Everyone seems to be worried about a nuclear attack. However, whatever the problems in Ukraine, I cannot support Putin who has proven himself a bad guy in many ways. The Russians did interfere in the election in 2016 and yes, I know that's not the only reason death star won. This to me is unforgivable and that extends to any party that aided and abetted mafia don. I do understand that politics are not pure and all sorts of bad actors are often involved in Ukraine and everywhere else. Our record is certainly not pure either. As usual, ordinary people are paying the price. And I cannot support the idea that anyone will win a nuclear war. Frankly, I am tired of being in thrall to a relatively small number of people who make up the rich and powerful.
My understanding is that the claim that Putin interfered in the 2016 presidential election is a proven-false Big Lie, but the evidence isn't discussed in the mainstream news media. I understand that the ongoing Durham special investigation is likely to slowly bring forth new revelations about this.
JR, Thank you.
Looks that way. His posts are all over the internet. Many of those who believe as he does seem to think everyone else is as gullible as they are but won't admit to being.
Anyone who is on FB should browse this person's page/posts. There are two named J... Shm.... Choose the one who attended Dartmouth College.
My Facebook page is here:
https://m.facebook.com/710547829/
JR, your comment reads like an attempt at Nazi-style disinformation in support of the Ukrainian neo-Nazi thug regime. I will quote from the second and third paragraphs of that article from The Nation, which you pointedly ignore:
"There are neo-Nazi pogroms against the Roma, rampant attacks on feminists and LGBT groups, book bans, and state-sponsored glorification of Nazi collaborators.
"These stories of Ukraine’s dark nationalism aren’t coming out of Moscow; they’re being filed by Western media, including US-funded Radio Free Europe (RFE); Jewish organizations such as the World Jewish Congress and the Simon Wiesenthal Center; and watchdogs like Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch, and Freedom House, which issued a joint report warning that Kiev is losing the monopoly on the use of force in the country as far-right gangs operate with impunity."
JR, you come across as a McCarthyist bigot and an apologist for Ukrainian neo-Nazi atrocities. May you please change your tune.
The four year old Nation article described a minority group in Ukraine. Anti-Semitism has always been a factor in Eastern Europe and bears watching, just as it does in the United States. This is probably why the historic emigration of Jews from Europe came mostly from Eastern European countries and not from Germany or France. The Nation article does not justify opposition to today's Ukraine government.
Zelensky was presiding over the ongoing neo-Nazi atrocities in the Donbass (artillery shelling of civilian targets, like what the Serbs did to the Bosnians), until the Russian invasion made him stop.
Beyond that, the principal supporter behind Zelensky's rise to power was the same Ukrainian oligarch who funded the neo-Nazi Azov battalion:
http://www.stationgossip.com/2022/03/it-all-comes-together-hunter-burisma.html?m=1
As others have pointed out, that Nation article (2018) pre-dates Zelenskiy’s election and democratic reforms (which are a work in process, there’s a lot of resistance from oligarchs and right-wingers). The most recent Freedom House analysis of Ukraine calls it a “nation in transition”, with a rating of 39/100 on their freedom scale. Freedom House rates Putin’s Russia as “not free”, with a rating of 19/100. If we are going to call a country a “neo-nazi thug regime” then Putin’s Russia wins hands down. BTW, “may you please change your tune” is an unusual phrasing. не могли бы вы изменить свою мелодию?
https://freedomhouse.org/country/russia/freedom-world/2022
https://freedomhouse.org/country/ukraine/nations-transit/2021