Informative; always. Interesting; less so. I’m so looking forward to the day when there will be no mention of tRump. None at all. And talented writers can enlighten us about subjects that actually matter.
Informative; always. Interesting; less so. I’m so looking forward to the day when there will be no mention of tRump. None at all. And talented writers can enlighten us about subjects that actually matter.
Hell, some ass will write an opera about Trump and it will be played at the Met and broadcast on cable and in theaters. Add all the documentaries, mini-series, and movies that will be produced, not to mention the histories that will litter our book stores. We'll never be rid of the Orange Plague or his legions of criminal thugs who will threaten our security long after The Don finally bites the dust.
I actually doubt it. The thing about tfg is he - unlike Nixon - is not actually an interesting character. He is so cartoonishly irredeemable, and his particular brand of chaotic cruelty so eventually predictable, that there really aren't many shades or angles for a writer to exploit. There isn't a sympathetic or complex backstory to emphasize, no real rise-and-fall because he never built anything himself, and his need to gobble attention means that the side characters couldn't be developed deeply enough (or stick around long enough). Plus the people most likely to want to buy a ticket would be the least likely to buy a ticket to anything not hagiography, which is the least likely treatment the type of daring artist most likely to tackle the subject would create.
What would be “interesting” in an opera (or some like artistic venue) isn’t about him as a main character, but the people who follow him. I still can’t figure this part out. Who ARE these people and why do they not abandon such a flawed and uninteresting person?
Agreed; it would be hard to make anything other than an antiphonal, non-rhythmic, atonal, and discordant mash of unconnected rubbish. Scat has a beat, hip-hop has a beat, rap has a beat and all of them are wonderfully real.
unloved, narcissistic, bombast, has managed to get 40% of the American electorate.... what's that tell you? "not this round"... so far not according to the polls. Months til Nov though.
Will Trump is a natural character in a Greek tragedy. Whether an Oedipus role with his mother, or having poison poured into his ear, Trump is a natural Greek tragic figure.
Also, perhaps Shakespeare? In Richard III I can imagine him shouting “My kingdom for a whore.”
Will, I hope you're right, but I think you underestimate the venality and pathetic standards of our writers, commentators, composers, and television producers. Even if a Trump opera is never written, they will still cast other operas with Trumpian characters just because they can. Trump may be bankrupt, but his sick mind and rotting body are gold mines.
The opera would be for President Nixon as he had a number of tragic flaws. Trump is a tragic flaw. True-dat about Trump having to bite the dust before the cult is broken. But it will be nice to see him eat the dust for a while.
“Nixon in China” is already an opera in three acts by John Adams, with libretto by Alice Goodman. About Nixon’s 1972 visit , It premiered in Houston in 1987 and broke ground for its portrayal of contemporary subject matter.
As a quick clarification: I referred to President Nixon because he fit the profile more of a tragic hero, often featured in classic tragedies put to libretto. As a bona fide Nixon-hater -- when I was a teen and to my spiritual shame -- I can say safely that Trump makes President Nixon almost seem okay. Perhaps a soap opera would better suit Trump. Back to back: 'Keeping up with the Kardashians' followed by 'Going down with the Trumps'. 😉😃😵💫
Your last sentence, i.e., "legions of criminal thugs".., yeah, it'll take a while. Hopefully, we'll continue to find when they clearly break the law and get them off the street.
We've already been to that 'opera'.., there's nothing to it.. totally banal bs. I'd rather watch re-runs of the Three Stooges...Larry, Moe, and..?? ..? I forget. A documentary on Menendez and his big-titted other... that'd be golden.., maybe.
Jeri Chilcutt -- On the other hand, my thinking is that it is the Media that has hijacked our brains because they've been hanging on, and reporting on, Trumps Every Word for almost 9 years! Nine Years!! We can't turn on the television without him being reported on editorialized about, etcetera.
Don't let him hijack YOUR brain. I do what I can for our Democracy and then I let it go. I immerse myself in the arts, philosophy . . . Another reading and meditation upon the Bhagavad Gita, the Chandogya and Brihadaranyaka Upanishads today . . . All is one . . . OM!
I have kept control of my brain so far. My UU community is a blessing. tai Chi, helps mind and body. I found a “holistic health” group in Houston in 1975. They disbanded, but I never did lose the vibe.
Jeri Chilcutt: Houston! You live in a wonderful, cultural city, with the very best medical care in the United States -- my well-loved wife, Nancy, goes annually to MD Anderson; and Houston is home to Rice University and the Mark Rothko Chapel! My goodness, I LOVE Houston. I love your spirit!
Moved to Ft. Worth several years ago, but I loved Houston. Wish we had not left. Best place in Texas, except maybe Austin. They are not fond of chump, and Abbott tries to punish them any way he can. In fact, when I came to Texas, I loved the whole state, until 1994 when Rove foisted W on Texas and the country.
That will only happen if one of two events occur: either he's sitting incommunicado in some prison cell to serve out a lengthy term, or he's dead and buried, surrounded by thick concrete to prevent grave-robbing grifters. I'd accept either, although the thought of both in sequential order is comforting to me.
A tomb? Only if his estate can afford it. I wonder who his "personal representative" is. Chances are they will be too greedy to authorize such an expenditure.
After the election, Trump will try to rally his troops to take over the government again. So he'll be in the news every day until the 2025 inauguration at least. And then his remaining trials will take place. That should take up most of 2025.
I feel the same David, but unless he's horizontal, he's going to be in the news everyday. What publication or network can afford NOT to report on his daily antics?
Informative; always. Interesting; less so. I’m so looking forward to the day when there will be no mention of tRump. None at all. And talented writers can enlighten us about subjects that actually matter.
Hell, some ass will write an opera about Trump and it will be played at the Met and broadcast on cable and in theaters. Add all the documentaries, mini-series, and movies that will be produced, not to mention the histories that will litter our book stores. We'll never be rid of the Orange Plague or his legions of criminal thugs who will threaten our security long after The Don finally bites the dust.
I actually doubt it. The thing about tfg is he - unlike Nixon - is not actually an interesting character. He is so cartoonishly irredeemable, and his particular brand of chaotic cruelty so eventually predictable, that there really aren't many shades or angles for a writer to exploit. There isn't a sympathetic or complex backstory to emphasize, no real rise-and-fall because he never built anything himself, and his need to gobble attention means that the side characters couldn't be developed deeply enough (or stick around long enough). Plus the people most likely to want to buy a ticket would be the least likely to buy a ticket to anything not hagiography, which is the least likely treatment the type of daring artist most likely to tackle the subject would create.
Agreed. Maybe he might get a bit part in a DC Comic as a washed-up villain. He certainly is not interesting enough to be a Marvel villain :)
How can he play any part when he’ll be in PRISON???
What would be “interesting” in an opera (or some like artistic venue) isn’t about him as a main character, but the people who follow him. I still can’t figure this part out. Who ARE these people and why do they not abandon such a flawed and uninteresting person?
They’re either angry from their own shortcomings or greedy cheaters like their creepy leader!
Will, in essence, no “Hamilton” on the horizon?
Not with fpotus as a lead.
Perhaps “Alred” (E Newman) with Eric “Fredo”Trump playing the lead as a Crime Boss progeny
😁
Agreed; it would be hard to make anything other than an antiphonal, non-rhythmic, atonal, and discordant mash of unconnected rubbish. Scat has a beat, hip-hop has a beat, rap has a beat and all of them are wonderfully real.
unloved, narcissistic, bombast, has managed to get 40% of the American electorate.... what's that tell you? "not this round"... so far not according to the polls. Months til Nov though.
Will Trump is a natural character in a Greek tragedy. Whether an Oedipus role with his mother, or having poison poured into his ear, Trump is a natural Greek tragic figure.
Also, perhaps Shakespeare? In Richard III I can imagine him shouting “My kingdom for a whore.”
I'm thinking "Springtime for Hitler and Germany", a good farce. More on a Mel Brooks/Monty Python treatment.
Am with you. Best outcome is he gets consigned to some "you-name-it" spot of invisibility. Then we can move on.
A story of his lifelong search for acceptance by the New York elite would be the closest an author could get to drama.
Will, I hope you're right, but I think you underestimate the venality and pathetic standards of our writers, commentators, composers, and television producers. Even if a Trump opera is never written, they will still cast other operas with Trumpian characters just because they can. Trump may be bankrupt, but his sick mind and rotting body are gold mines.
The opera would be for President Nixon as he had a number of tragic flaws. Trump is a tragic flaw. True-dat about Trump having to bite the dust before the cult is broken. But it will be nice to see him eat the dust for a while.
“Nixon in China” is already an opera in three acts by John Adams, with libretto by Alice Goodman. About Nixon’s 1972 visit , It premiered in Houston in 1987 and broke ground for its portrayal of contemporary subject matter.
Already happened: https://www.britannica.com/topic/Nixon-in-China
As a quick clarification: I referred to President Nixon because he fit the profile more of a tragic hero, often featured in classic tragedies put to libretto. As a bona fide Nixon-hater -- when I was a teen and to my spiritual shame -- I can say safely that Trump makes President Nixon almost seem okay. Perhaps a soap opera would better suit Trump. Back to back: 'Keeping up with the Kardashians' followed by 'Going down with the Trumps'. 😉😃😵💫
Has anybody heard Trump sing?
And lived?
😄😄😄
Its his constant humming in MSM that is driving me crazy. The worst earwig, ever.
James Burnham: "Jerry Springer, The Opera" was premiered by the London Opera in April 2003.
This will be "The Opera, Part II."
The White-Supremacist troglodytes will remain. They make up about one-quarter of our country.
Your last sentence, i.e., "legions of criminal thugs".., yeah, it'll take a while. Hopefully, we'll continue to find when they clearly break the law and get them off the street.
We've already been to that 'opera'.., there's nothing to it.. totally banal bs. I'd rather watch re-runs of the Three Stooges...Larry, Moe, and..?? ..? I forget. A documentary on Menendez and his big-titted other... that'd be golden.., maybe.
Would I live so long. He has hijacked our brains, sort of like the zombie apocalypse
Jeri Chilcutt -- On the other hand, my thinking is that it is the Media that has hijacked our brains because they've been hanging on, and reporting on, Trumps Every Word for almost 9 years! Nine Years!! We can't turn on the television without him being reported on editorialized about, etcetera.
The time when I realized that Rupert, not Walter, had taken over as the model for our MSM was likely the most depressed I have been in those 9 years.
Jeri Chilcutt: EXACTLY.
Don't let him hijack YOUR brain. I do what I can for our Democracy and then I let it go. I immerse myself in the arts, philosophy . . . Another reading and meditation upon the Bhagavad Gita, the Chandogya and Brihadaranyaka Upanishads today . . . All is one . . . OM!
I go with long tones and melody lines from various songs when my technique/repertoire practice is done.
I have kept control of my brain so far. My UU community is a blessing. tai Chi, helps mind and body. I found a “holistic health” group in Houston in 1975. They disbanded, but I never did lose the vibe.
Jeri Chilcutt: Houston! You live in a wonderful, cultural city, with the very best medical care in the United States -- my well-loved wife, Nancy, goes annually to MD Anderson; and Houston is home to Rice University and the Mark Rothko Chapel! My goodness, I LOVE Houston. I love your spirit!
Moved to Ft. Worth several years ago, but I loved Houston. Wish we had not left. Best place in Texas, except maybe Austin. They are not fond of chump, and Abbott tries to punish them any way he can. In fact, when I came to Texas, I loved the whole state, until 1994 when Rove foisted W on Texas and the country.
He's certainly hijacked a bunch, that's for sure. Could this turn into a quasi Jonesville? Just on the ballot count that is?
Not just on the ballot count. Families split and the division widespread. Deprogramming desperately needed.
Understood, i wouldn't hold your breath.
Like you, a Jonestown-type fiasco wouldn't surprise me.
That will only happen if one of two events occur: either he's sitting incommunicado in some prison cell to serve out a lengthy term, or he's dead and buried, surrounded by thick concrete to prevent grave-robbing grifters. I'd accept either, although the thought of both in sequential order is comforting to me.
He remains a threat otherwise.
I can see him in a Lenin-like tomb at Mar-a-Lago
A tomb? Only if his estate can afford it. I wonder who his "personal representative" is. Chances are they will be too greedy to authorize such an expenditure.
Mar-A-Lago? The new owners will say no thanks.
I expect his followers will eat cat food for a year in order to finance his tomb.
After the election, Trump will try to rally his troops to take over the government again. So he'll be in the news every day until the 2025 inauguration at least. And then his remaining trials will take place. That should take up most of 2025.
I feel the same David, but unless he's horizontal, he's going to be in the news everyday. What publication or network can afford NOT to report on his daily antics?