Thank you, Heather, for zeroing in on what Schumer said today about Netanyahu and on what Pressman said about Orban. Two “strongmen” as Ruth Ben-Ghiat professes. I was extremely happy that Schumer addressed how tyrannical Bibi has become. He really was a golden boy, in his youth. He was sensible and was not driven to what we see today. V…
Thank you, Heather, for zeroing in on what Schumer said today about Netanyahu and on what Pressman said about Orban. Two “strongmen” as Ruth Ben-Ghiat professes. I was extremely happy that Schumer addressed how tyrannical Bibi has become. He really was a golden boy, in his youth. He was sensible and was not driven to what we see today. Very few Israelis and Jews want to be associated with him or his ideals now. The vengeance, the revenge mission, on Hamas has gotten completely out of hand. Over 30,000 dead and most are children. I have said it more than once that when he allowed the Ultra Orthodox to move over into the West Bank and then expand their occupation, he was inviting war. He has absolutely made it extremely hard on us Jews here in the US and throughout the world. Bibi, like the Donald, cannot and should not be trusted one iota. It seems all of these men want to make our lives miserable. They’ve succeeded.
Jeri, while Bibi is blinded by rage at Hamas, well deserved embarrassment, and fear of prosecution, there's no fucking way he's "doing more damage than Adolf ".
Adolf invaded peaceful neighbors based on a sick ideology, like Putin had recently, and devized a plan to exterminate all Jews and acted on that plan, killing 6 million of them while also killing millions of others and starting a world war that killed millions more. The Arabs signed onto that "final solution" for Jews and have never given it up, and the outcome of that is Hamas, which continues to pledge annihilation of all Jews in Israel, to start, and all Jews ultimately.
To equate Bibi's "over the top" response to that Oct 7 attack AND THE CONTINUED ROCKET ATTACKS FROM HAZA INTO ISRAEL, to Hitler's, Putin's, and Hamas's actions may sound poetic, but is naive and wrong.
Bibi needs to be pushed from office, and though Isrealis hate being told to do anything, a 2 state solution needs to be imposed. As well, Hamas does indeed need to be defeated because of those continued rocket attacks and continued threats. But just as the Biden administration is stating, a credible plan to protect civilians needs to be in place.
While on the one hand, Israeli soldiers in Gaza are actually fighting a full scale urban war with well armed and trained Hamas soldiers fighting back and launching rockets to Israel, they do have the means to provide safe passage back north without delaying so much as to give Hamas time to regroup. (That would be giving up control of timing of military operations and against American military philosophy. )
Israel is losing the public opinion war, the civilian toll is horrific, but this is an actual war. Israel is responding to an actual threat, not made up.
Oh, and by the way, Israel is not built on stolen land. That's a whiny argument based on wishful thinking by the losers of a war (a series of wars). That's just like MAGA arising from resentments by losers of the American Civil War. Lessons from that tell us Hamas must be defeated militarily and a 2 state solution must be imposed.
I should have stated my point better. Every word you say is on target. My point is that after WW2, Jews had the sympathy and the good will of most of the world (from my prospective, anyway.) I know I was in their corner when Vanessa Redgrave was an outspoken advocate for Palestinians. I thought Arafat was a moron and made things worse. That good will is basically gone, and the tribal hatred of the Jewish people is at fever pitch again. Quite a u-turn from Holocaust recognition and sympathy. Of course, the ups and downs are never flatlined it seemed that progress was possible. But this fiasco has put all Jewish people back in the sights of haters of every stripe. I blame Netanyahu and his ego run amok for the effort to kill a viable two state solution and find a solution for his criminal charges all in one fell swoop. He has put all Jewish people in a Catch 22. And all supporters on a tightrope. No, Hitler’s evil is unsurpassed. But Netanyahu’s actions may also reverberate for centuries. BTW, my husband was a WW2 buff and we watched a documentary by Hitchcock on the concentration camps, etc. I asked him if I should tape it. He said no, it’s the worse thing I have ever seen. And he had seen plenty.
Thank you for clarifying, Jeri. Those documentaries that site footage from the concentration camps are very harrowing to watch. I've also talked to survivors in person. What I couldn't stomach after an hour, they lived with for months. They only survived because they were able bodied and selected to work.
They got to Auswich close enough to the end of the war to avoid starving to death before being rescued.
We watched some of the interviews with survivors and they are hard to forget. Real people and their pain. There are so many stories of courage, remembrances, and loss that reverberate. More every day as the atrocities pile up.
Having parents who were Holocaust victims, gave my sister and I generational trauma. We are not alone, of course, but being brought up in the South did not help things for us to achieve the goals our parents set out for us. Neither one of us married a Jewish guy and they weren’t doctors or lawyers as they had wished. My guy was raised Catholic but doesn’t follow his religion. My sister never married and she’s happier than a clam! I have no regrets. Left home at 18 to go to school in DC and then in 1974, left for the San Francisco Bay. I still feel, to this day, I had the best of three worlds.
Thank you, Heather, for zeroing in on what Schumer said today about Netanyahu and on what Pressman said about Orban. Two “strongmen” as Ruth Ben-Ghiat professes. I was extremely happy that Schumer addressed how tyrannical Bibi has become. He really was a golden boy, in his youth. He was sensible and was not driven to what we see today. Very few Israelis and Jews want to be associated with him or his ideals now. The vengeance, the revenge mission, on Hamas has gotten completely out of hand. Over 30,000 dead and most are children. I have said it more than once that when he allowed the Ultra Orthodox to move over into the West Bank and then expand their occupation, he was inviting war. He has absolutely made it extremely hard on us Jews here in the US and throughout the world. Bibi, like the Donald, cannot and should not be trusted one iota. It seems all of these men want to make our lives miserable. They’ve succeeded.
Not to forget how miserable he made the lives of the Palestinians.
Both men really want to have power to keep their sorry asses out of jail.
Well said Marlene
So hard to tolerate the Bibi view of the world, he is doing more damage than Adolf. Chump is doing more damage than anybody. Wins that, hands down.
Jeri, while Bibi is blinded by rage at Hamas, well deserved embarrassment, and fear of prosecution, there's no fucking way he's "doing more damage than Adolf ".
Adolf invaded peaceful neighbors based on a sick ideology, like Putin had recently, and devized a plan to exterminate all Jews and acted on that plan, killing 6 million of them while also killing millions of others and starting a world war that killed millions more. The Arabs signed onto that "final solution" for Jews and have never given it up, and the outcome of that is Hamas, which continues to pledge annihilation of all Jews in Israel, to start, and all Jews ultimately.
To equate Bibi's "over the top" response to that Oct 7 attack AND THE CONTINUED ROCKET ATTACKS FROM HAZA INTO ISRAEL, to Hitler's, Putin's, and Hamas's actions may sound poetic, but is naive and wrong.
Bibi needs to be pushed from office, and though Isrealis hate being told to do anything, a 2 state solution needs to be imposed. As well, Hamas does indeed need to be defeated because of those continued rocket attacks and continued threats. But just as the Biden administration is stating, a credible plan to protect civilians needs to be in place.
While on the one hand, Israeli soldiers in Gaza are actually fighting a full scale urban war with well armed and trained Hamas soldiers fighting back and launching rockets to Israel, they do have the means to provide safe passage back north without delaying so much as to give Hamas time to regroup. (That would be giving up control of timing of military operations and against American military philosophy. )
Israel is losing the public opinion war, the civilian toll is horrific, but this is an actual war. Israel is responding to an actual threat, not made up.
Oh, and by the way, Israel is not built on stolen land. That's a whiny argument based on wishful thinking by the losers of a war (a series of wars). That's just like MAGA arising from resentments by losers of the American Civil War. Lessons from that tell us Hamas must be defeated militarily and a 2 state solution must be imposed.
I should have stated my point better. Every word you say is on target. My point is that after WW2, Jews had the sympathy and the good will of most of the world (from my prospective, anyway.) I know I was in their corner when Vanessa Redgrave was an outspoken advocate for Palestinians. I thought Arafat was a moron and made things worse. That good will is basically gone, and the tribal hatred of the Jewish people is at fever pitch again. Quite a u-turn from Holocaust recognition and sympathy. Of course, the ups and downs are never flatlined it seemed that progress was possible. But this fiasco has put all Jewish people back in the sights of haters of every stripe. I blame Netanyahu and his ego run amok for the effort to kill a viable two state solution and find a solution for his criminal charges all in one fell swoop. He has put all Jewish people in a Catch 22. And all supporters on a tightrope. No, Hitler’s evil is unsurpassed. But Netanyahu’s actions may also reverberate for centuries. BTW, my husband was a WW2 buff and we watched a documentary by Hitchcock on the concentration camps, etc. I asked him if I should tape it. He said no, it’s the worse thing I have ever seen. And he had seen plenty.
Thank you for clarifying, Jeri. Those documentaries that site footage from the concentration camps are very harrowing to watch. I've also talked to survivors in person. What I couldn't stomach after an hour, they lived with for months. They only survived because they were able bodied and selected to work.
They got to Auswich close enough to the end of the war to avoid starving to death before being rescued.
We watched some of the interviews with survivors and they are hard to forget. Real people and their pain. There are so many stories of courage, remembrances, and loss that reverberate. More every day as the atrocities pile up.
Having parents who were Holocaust victims, gave my sister and I generational trauma. We are not alone, of course, but being brought up in the South did not help things for us to achieve the goals our parents set out for us. Neither one of us married a Jewish guy and they weren’t doctors or lawyers as they had wished. My guy was raised Catholic but doesn’t follow his religion. My sister never married and she’s happier than a clam! I have no regrets. Left home at 18 to go to school in DC and then in 1974, left for the San Francisco Bay. I still feel, to this day, I had the best of three worlds.