After my second miscarriage, which ended in a hospital emergency department, I did not see a doctor for two weeks (my choice). By the time I did he sent me to the hospital immediately with a severe infection for en emergency D&C, which saved my life. This was forty years ago. This is another way women will now die, or be disabled, due to…
After my second miscarriage, which ended in a hospital emergency department, I did not see a doctor for two weeks (my choice). By the time I did he sent me to the hospital immediately with a severe infection for en emergency D&C, which saved my life. This was forty years ago. This is another way women will now die, or be disabled, due to the overthrow of Roe. Those six “justices” have blood on their hands.
As does the entire Republican Party, without whose concerted efforts over 5 decades Roe would still stand. The Federalist Society should be designated a terrorist organization.
As should Opus Dei, the secret Roman Catholic organization to which some members of the Supreme Court belong. And, by the way, FBI Director Wray is a member of The Federalist Society as is his former schoolmate ... wait for it ... Brett Kavanaugh. See a pattern here?
Women are allowed to be members of the Federalist Society. Amy Comey Barrett, for example, was a member. There are fewer women in the Federalist Society than men, probably because women in general are more enlightened.
Am not sure enlightened is the correct term. Less amenable to consistently toeing the line while in law school is a better way to put it.
Amy Coney Barrett was a perfect pick for the Federalist Society because of the particular Catholic cult she was raised and lives in. She was already "A Handmaiden."
Thank you for this information. It has been reported that there is a lot of Catholic "dark money" in the Society. Given the RC presence and influence, I wondered if women would even been admitted. By the way, I have renamed Amy to Amy Commie Barrett.
This is happening now. Same as during the pandemic. Patient Privacy laws make reporting these very personal and private tragedies public knowledge. As the son of a doctor and nurse, women are at risk in the red and swing states. This will only continue to get worse and worse. The Supreme Court has failed all.
Yes, Ted, and thank you. That is the thing it so hard to grasp--this is now and it is real and you are certainly right. It can only get worse. Women are going to start dying in numbers--mostly poor women, mostly black and brown women, mostly women who have no options. It is easy, even with everything that is screaming at us, to look away, to think it can't really be this bad, somebody will come up with a plan. There was an article in the Washington Post in the last few days explaining how much good the new governor here in Virginia is doing for parents by allotting money for model schools. He ran on a platform of giving parents the right to get the teaching of critical race theory (i.e. history) out of the classroom. The article was written by one of the leading lights of the evangelical/Trump crew. No background provided. Thank goodness, the comments section lost its collective mind! Even I have trouble believing in organizations like Opus Dei and the Federalist Society. But they aren't a bad dream.
And let me put in a word for my favorite, and often overlooked monster, Mike Pence, member in good standing of the FS, bankrolled by the remaining Koch brother (who has renounced Trump but not his policies), a history of supporting conversion camps for gay teens and, unfortunately, presentable.
I have been out of the country for several weeks and I feel like I have returned to a nightmare. The more I think about and absorb the implications of overturning Roe the more sick to my stomach I become. No one has the right to force a pregnant person to bear an unwanted child. No one. I'm adopted and I am fully aware that I might not be here if abortion had been legal in 1951. Roe is about choice and every pregnant person should have the right to choose whether or not to bear a child. Evangelical Christians and right-wing Catholics have no right to impose their beliefs on the rest of us. These are ancient battles and it is discouraging to have to fight them again. This is also an attack on the poor who are already overburdened. This is simply wrong.
It is wrong at every level, I agree, but Christianity has a long history of imposing itself, swiftly and violently, on a lot of folks over the centuries. And if anyone needs a cover story for a blatant power move, some group of Christians usually volunteers. I am a cradle Episcopalian and have ranted and raved about all this for years. Only recently have I finally thrown in the towel. At the core of the repeal of Roe and of more to come--all of which is going to involve bloodshed in one way or another--is the strike at the principle of the separation of church and state. The people at the helm in the Roe decision believe there should be no separation, that American should be a Christian nation, governed by a minority of its citizens who are not only Christians but the most right wing Christians. They are, in my opinion--and I don't use words like this very often--evil people. You can probably divide them into two groups--the true believers and the simply power mad. Some, no doubt, are both. Bill Barr comes to mind.
An inexcusably long ramble here, and I wish I could offer encouragement on your re-entry but my belief is that your instinct is right on--you have returned to a nightmare and it doesn't look like getting anything but worse.
I think the best we can do at this point--way beyond too late--is to finally acknowledge what's happening. There are still those among us feckless liberals who think it isn't so bad; it will work out; we'll win the mid-terms; Trump's people aren't always getting elected. That kind of willful denial will rob us of any chance at all and, in fact, that reluctance to look clearly at reality is partly responsible for where we are.
So, welcome home, Susan. Put on your heavy boots. We are surrounded by mud in all directions.
Thank you for that. The first thing I read when I got home was the recent edition of The Humanist, which I subscribed to along with lots of other publications after Trump was elected. I did so because I'm a good reader and he isn't, so I read, read, and read as a personal form of protest. As the Religious Right got more and more vociferous, I got more and more turned off by Christianity altogether, which isn't easy to say. Remember Gandhi--"I like your Christ. He is so unlike your Christians." Anyway, reading The Humanist seemed so balanced, hopeful, and ethical by comparison. Wandering around Florence and looking at all those patriarchs was eye-opening. Women do not want to go back to that. Nor do other marginalized people.
We have a rescue dog named Farley who is one of the most aware beings I've ever had the good fortune to meet. Someone described him as "assertive without being aggressive" which is why they thought he got on so well with other beings. Farley was dumped over a fence at two months of age and left to die. He was one day away from being euthanized when a friend of my husband rescued him and eventually gave him to us.
One day I heard Farley barking furiously and came to find a neighbor threatening to kill him with a 2 x 4 if he didn't stop. The neighbor is afraid of dogs and Farley sensed that. He also sensed that he was in danger and all that barking was his way of saying "I'm not going over that fence again." Heavy boots in hand and ready to do what's necessary to get us through the mud.
More important that WE care. I’m very much in favor of this option: “A small contingent of Democrats is floating the idea of taking a rare and dramatic step in the aftermath of the Supreme Court decision to overturn the landmark 1973 ruling in Roe v. Wade: impeaching justices who ruled to strike down the constitutional right to abortions.
The radically extreme justices are throwing out precedents left and right. That means that no decision is settled, and the next court can throw out what this court has done (great idea!). They are creating chaos and uncertainty, and people will die, not from a “back alley” abortion but because of denial of care for treatable conditions like miscarriages and ectopic pregnancies.
They aren’t “originalists.” They pick and choose pieces they want. The word word “woman” isn’t even in the Constitution—until the 19th Amendment—so women have no enumerated rights which the conservative justices "forgot" to include in their decision.
Alioto didn’t just strip women of their right of privacy/make their own medical decisions as men have—he set precedent to strip all women of all rights—except the right to vote. Which they will lose if felons for aiding & abetting or obtaining abortions—you heard it here first.
The fence around the SCOTUS building isn’t in the Constitution either. Take it down. Only the “pro-life” crowd is violent. Pack the court for fair Enlightenment decisions. The current situation is untenable and worse.
So much of this is untenable. Biden has to expand the Appellate Court number before he can add seats to the SCOTUS--and he won't do that (even though that's actually needed).
The fence is an insult to us all, and quite a message to the rest of the world.
McConnell has already said Biden will not get another SCOTUS seat--and Biden won't just go ahead, like Obama could've done with Garland--because they're institutionalists. Biden can't see that the institutions--Senate and SCOTUS--no longer exist as he knew them.
Definitely would have to win back the Senate to do that. plus, where does it stop? Frankly I'm not sure I understand their mandate. Is it to make laws or determine the constitutionality of them? If Congress didn't specifically make Roe a Right then it should. If making abortion illegal was unconstitutional by one Court is it their job to decide that a Court ruling is unconstitutional? So confusing! If a court ruling is unconstitutional then of course it should be overturned. But in this case the fox is guarding the hen house! Also, do I understand correctly that it wasn't illegal anywhere until after the Civil War. So the founding fathers didn't care? So the question, I guess, is should states have the right to decide if something is illegal without a federal law? My dad always said, "you can't legislate morals." Belief, religious or otherwise, should never be the basis of law making. In this case, is it the belief that a six week fetus is a person guaranteed protection under the constitution (which has no logical, legal, or medical support) the driving reason behind all this uproar. Of course they declared corporations are people because it is comprised of people (stock holders). Not to be confused with employees!
One of my brothers like to throw the statement about not being able to legislate morals into any argument he wasn't winning. I loved to take the air out of his bags by pointing out that legislating morals wasn't the point. The point is that we can and do legislate behavior. Morals may become part of the argument, but the case is won or lost by proving wrongful behavior. We're trying.
And yes, no state had laws relating to abortion in the year before mid 1850s (corrected typo). It was up to women whether or not to get an abortion until the takeover of health care by male physicians, who began to stake out markers in the mid-50s.
And that is what this (and schools and corporations and all the rest of the "issues" being thrown at us, and the rights we're being told aren't rights are all about. Power. Control.
We're seeing it all laid out in the Jan 6th Committee Hearings. Yes, that's about the insurrection. But it is mostly about power and who gets to wield it. The good news is that the Republicans are running out of targets and are starting to tear at each other. Hope, hope, hope, hope.
This is so cruel and so wrong. And so terribly arrogant and sad. To make ordinary people suffer for your personal ideology should not be permitted. No sane person would subscribe to imposing preventable suffering on others. This is the work of mad men and women who have no hearts.
They do indeed and that they did this to support "Christian Values" sickens me. it's about choice. It's about healthcare. It's about time to get rid of these creeps.
Heartbreaking indeed. I've been pregnant four times and I cannot imagine the pain of knowing your unborn child has died and being forced to carry it to term anyway. This is beyond the pale. These people are monsters.
After my second miscarriage, which ended in a hospital emergency department, I did not see a doctor for two weeks (my choice). By the time I did he sent me to the hospital immediately with a severe infection for en emergency D&C, which saved my life. This was forty years ago. This is another way women will now die, or be disabled, due to the overthrow of Roe. Those six “justices” have blood on their hands.
As does the entire Republican Party, without whose concerted efforts over 5 decades Roe would still stand. The Federalist Society should be designated a terrorist organization.
As should Opus Dei, the secret Roman Catholic organization to which some members of the Supreme Court belong. And, by the way, FBI Director Wray is a member of The Federalist Society as is his former schoolmate ... wait for it ... Brett Kavanaugh. See a pattern here?
Every Republican judge on SCOTUS is (or was) a member of the Federalist Society.
Since Law School. Talk about grooming!
I see a pattern forming
Exactly.
I believe women Justices, or women period, are not allowed into the Society
Women are allowed to be members of the Federalist Society. Amy Comey Barrett, for example, was a member. There are fewer women in the Federalist Society than men, probably because women in general are more enlightened.
Am not sure enlightened is the correct term. Less amenable to consistently toeing the line while in law school is a better way to put it.
Amy Coney Barrett was a perfect pick for the Federalist Society because of the particular Catholic cult she was raised and lives in. She was already "A Handmaiden."
Direct correlation, those aware of their having less privilege, naturally ask why. Those answers come to the compassionate, as enlightenment.
Thank you for this information. It has been reported that there is a lot of Catholic "dark money" in the Society. Given the RC presence and influence, I wondered if women would even been admitted. By the way, I have renamed Amy to Amy Commie Barrett.
That is reprehensable. Barr is also Opus Dei.
Which is, apparently, funded by more dark money than God has.
Nice one!
OH!
100%.
Yes. Terrorists All.
This is happening now. Same as during the pandemic. Patient Privacy laws make reporting these very personal and private tragedies public knowledge. As the son of a doctor and nurse, women are at risk in the red and swing states. This will only continue to get worse and worse. The Supreme Court has failed all.
Yes, Ted, and thank you. That is the thing it so hard to grasp--this is now and it is real and you are certainly right. It can only get worse. Women are going to start dying in numbers--mostly poor women, mostly black and brown women, mostly women who have no options. It is easy, even with everything that is screaming at us, to look away, to think it can't really be this bad, somebody will come up with a plan. There was an article in the Washington Post in the last few days explaining how much good the new governor here in Virginia is doing for parents by allotting money for model schools. He ran on a platform of giving parents the right to get the teaching of critical race theory (i.e. history) out of the classroom. The article was written by one of the leading lights of the evangelical/Trump crew. No background provided. Thank goodness, the comments section lost its collective mind! Even I have trouble believing in organizations like Opus Dei and the Federalist Society. But they aren't a bad dream.
And let me put in a word for my favorite, and often overlooked monster, Mike Pence, member in good standing of the FS, bankrolled by the remaining Koch brother (who has renounced Trump but not his policies), a history of supporting conversion camps for gay teens and, unfortunately, presentable.
I have been out of the country for several weeks and I feel like I have returned to a nightmare. The more I think about and absorb the implications of overturning Roe the more sick to my stomach I become. No one has the right to force a pregnant person to bear an unwanted child. No one. I'm adopted and I am fully aware that I might not be here if abortion had been legal in 1951. Roe is about choice and every pregnant person should have the right to choose whether or not to bear a child. Evangelical Christians and right-wing Catholics have no right to impose their beliefs on the rest of us. These are ancient battles and it is discouraging to have to fight them again. This is also an attack on the poor who are already overburdened. This is simply wrong.
It is wrong at every level, I agree, but Christianity has a long history of imposing itself, swiftly and violently, on a lot of folks over the centuries. And if anyone needs a cover story for a blatant power move, some group of Christians usually volunteers. I am a cradle Episcopalian and have ranted and raved about all this for years. Only recently have I finally thrown in the towel. At the core of the repeal of Roe and of more to come--all of which is going to involve bloodshed in one way or another--is the strike at the principle of the separation of church and state. The people at the helm in the Roe decision believe there should be no separation, that American should be a Christian nation, governed by a minority of its citizens who are not only Christians but the most right wing Christians. They are, in my opinion--and I don't use words like this very often--evil people. You can probably divide them into two groups--the true believers and the simply power mad. Some, no doubt, are both. Bill Barr comes to mind.
An inexcusably long ramble here, and I wish I could offer encouragement on your re-entry but my belief is that your instinct is right on--you have returned to a nightmare and it doesn't look like getting anything but worse.
I think the best we can do at this point--way beyond too late--is to finally acknowledge what's happening. There are still those among us feckless liberals who think it isn't so bad; it will work out; we'll win the mid-terms; Trump's people aren't always getting elected. That kind of willful denial will rob us of any chance at all and, in fact, that reluctance to look clearly at reality is partly responsible for where we are.
So, welcome home, Susan. Put on your heavy boots. We are surrounded by mud in all directions.
Thank you for that. The first thing I read when I got home was the recent edition of The Humanist, which I subscribed to along with lots of other publications after Trump was elected. I did so because I'm a good reader and he isn't, so I read, read, and read as a personal form of protest. As the Religious Right got more and more vociferous, I got more and more turned off by Christianity altogether, which isn't easy to say. Remember Gandhi--"I like your Christ. He is so unlike your Christians." Anyway, reading The Humanist seemed so balanced, hopeful, and ethical by comparison. Wandering around Florence and looking at all those patriarchs was eye-opening. Women do not want to go back to that. Nor do other marginalized people.
We have a rescue dog named Farley who is one of the most aware beings I've ever had the good fortune to meet. Someone described him as "assertive without being aggressive" which is why they thought he got on so well with other beings. Farley was dumped over a fence at two months of age and left to die. He was one day away from being euthanized when a friend of my husband rescued him and eventually gave him to us.
One day I heard Farley barking furiously and came to find a neighbor threatening to kill him with a 2 x 4 if he didn't stop. The neighbor is afraid of dogs and Farley sensed that. He also sensed that he was in danger and all that barking was his way of saying "I'm not going over that fence again." Heavy boots in hand and ready to do what's necessary to get us through the mud.
:’-(
Wish they or any Repub cult nut cared
More important that WE care. I’m very much in favor of this option: “A small contingent of Democrats is floating the idea of taking a rare and dramatic step in the aftermath of the Supreme Court decision to overturn the landmark 1973 ruling in Roe v. Wade: impeaching justices who ruled to strike down the constitutional right to abortions.
“The grounds for impeachment? Democrats say that some Trump-appointed justices lied when they previously said in their confirmation hearings that they wouldn’t overturn court precedent.” https://www.usnews.com/news/politics/articles/2022-06-29/could-democrats-impeach-supreme-court-justices-for-lying-in-the-wake-of-roe
The radically extreme justices are throwing out precedents left and right. That means that no decision is settled, and the next court can throw out what this court has done (great idea!). They are creating chaos and uncertainty, and people will die, not from a “back alley” abortion but because of denial of care for treatable conditions like miscarriages and ectopic pregnancies.
Increase the number of justices to make these "originalists" a minority.
They aren’t “originalists.” They pick and choose pieces they want. The word word “woman” isn’t even in the Constitution—until the 19th Amendment—so women have no enumerated rights which the conservative justices "forgot" to include in their decision.
Alioto didn’t just strip women of their right of privacy/make their own medical decisions as men have—he set precedent to strip all women of all rights—except the right to vote. Which they will lose if felons for aiding & abetting or obtaining abortions—you heard it here first.
The fence around the SCOTUS building isn’t in the Constitution either. Take it down. Only the “pro-life” crowd is violent. Pack the court for fair Enlightenment decisions. The current situation is untenable and worse.
So much of this is untenable. Biden has to expand the Appellate Court number before he can add seats to the SCOTUS--and he won't do that (even though that's actually needed).
The fence is an insult to us all, and quite a message to the rest of the world.
McConnell has already said Biden will not get another SCOTUS seat--and Biden won't just go ahead, like Obama could've done with Garland--because they're institutionalists. Biden can't see that the institutions--Senate and SCOTUS--no longer exist as he knew them.
13!
Definitely would have to win back the Senate to do that. plus, where does it stop? Frankly I'm not sure I understand their mandate. Is it to make laws or determine the constitutionality of them? If Congress didn't specifically make Roe a Right then it should. If making abortion illegal was unconstitutional by one Court is it their job to decide that a Court ruling is unconstitutional? So confusing! If a court ruling is unconstitutional then of course it should be overturned. But in this case the fox is guarding the hen house! Also, do I understand correctly that it wasn't illegal anywhere until after the Civil War. So the founding fathers didn't care? So the question, I guess, is should states have the right to decide if something is illegal without a federal law? My dad always said, "you can't legislate morals." Belief, religious or otherwise, should never be the basis of law making. In this case, is it the belief that a six week fetus is a person guaranteed protection under the constitution (which has no logical, legal, or medical support) the driving reason behind all this uproar. Of course they declared corporations are people because it is comprised of people (stock holders). Not to be confused with employees!
One of my brothers like to throw the statement about not being able to legislate morals into any argument he wasn't winning. I loved to take the air out of his bags by pointing out that legislating morals wasn't the point. The point is that we can and do legislate behavior. Morals may become part of the argument, but the case is won or lost by proving wrongful behavior. We're trying.
And yes, no state had laws relating to abortion in the year before mid 1850s (corrected typo). It was up to women whether or not to get an abortion until the takeover of health care by male physicians, who began to stake out markers in the mid-50s.
And that is what this (and schools and corporations and all the rest of the "issues" being thrown at us, and the rights we're being told aren't rights are all about. Power. Control.
We're seeing it all laid out in the Jan 6th Committee Hearings. Yes, that's about the insurrection. But it is mostly about power and who gets to wield it. The good news is that the Republicans are running out of targets and are starting to tear at each other. Hope, hope, hope, hope.
Very well put. I still hope. Sometimes It feels abusive. But I keep on hoping or I will go crazy with despair.
Agreed.
This is so cruel and so wrong. And so terribly arrogant and sad. To make ordinary people suffer for your personal ideology should not be permitted. No sane person would subscribe to imposing preventable suffering on others. This is the work of mad men and women who have no hearts.
Truth 💔🤬
However, a new slate of justices is not going to happen anytime soon.
Truth, very sad truth
Question to the group:
Which is likelier - impeachment or increase in number of justices?
Which can happen sooner?
Which can happen?
Court expansion. Impeachment, though warranted, is a pipe dream.
Increasing the number of justices would be faster. Vote totally blue.
Is there a petition?
Where do I sign?
Good thought! Wonder if Dr. Richardson would consider it?
Don’t forget the anti-abortion advocates with the blood on their hands also.
They do indeed and that they did this to support "Christian Values" sickens me. it's about choice. It's about healthcare. It's about time to get rid of these creeps.
A current, heartbreaking case in Texas. 💔🤬💔🤬💔 https://www.cnn.com/videos/health/2022/07/18/woman-carried-dead-fetus-texas-anti-abortion-ban-cohen-new-day-dnt-vpx.cnn
Heartbreaking indeed. I've been pregnant four times and I cannot imagine the pain of knowing your unborn child has died and being forced to carry it to term anyway. This is beyond the pale. These people are monsters.
To D & C, to the D and C. Good for venereal warts, STD, human papilloma virus, HPV, D & C, and C section only. Gynecologist’s dream.