About the 10 year old girl... the PBS NewsHour reported that the girl was actually 9 years old when she was raped. The callous attitudes of Bopp and others of his ilk are totally reprehensible.
About the 10 year old girl... the PBS NewsHour reported that the girl was actually 9 years old when she was raped. The callous attitudes of Bopp and others of his ilk are totally reprehensible.
I agree 100%, but the past cannot be changed so the focus should shift to all the additional physical and psychological-mental harm that the child would endure for the rest of her life if FORCED to carry the baby to term at great risk to herself. Comparisons of these two types of trauma.... well, I don't even know where to begin, but it is true that the first was the result of one despicable individual whereas the second would have been the result of a coordinated effort by elected politicians to control women's bodies. -- I keep thinking "What would those self-righteous politicians have done if it had been their own 9 year old daughter?"
They would have sought an abortion that wasnтАЩt an тАЬabortion,тАЭ because if youтАЩre self-righteous and you say it isnтАЩt an тАЬabortion,тАЭ then itтАЩs not. Duh.
And the Newspeak is not limited to the issue of abortion. With very few exceptions (thank goodness that there are a few in the GOP with a spine who are now telling the truth to the Jan 6th Committee), the invertebrate Republicans lie whenever it suits their purposes then label it the TRUTH. ANd on the other side of the coin they label the truth as FAKE NEWS. I fear that it will take quite some time to return to the "normal" politics of Left and Right.
Two women I know here in Portugal were born of Jewish mother's in Nazii consentration camps in 1942 of SS father's. You can not imagine the psychological turmoil they have experienced all their lives.
My thoughts as well, would the self-righteous arses take responsibility? hell No. would the rapist? Hell no. The first rape despicable, the second, unconscionable.
I am always reminded of Margaret Beaufort who was married to Edmund Tudor when she was very young...12 or 13 maybe and became PG immediately. When she bore Henry (who later became Henry VII), Edmund was already dead and the birth was very difficult for her. She never had any more children and tried to make sure that the females in her family did not undergo the same as she had, making sure that they were old enough before traveling to be married as in the case of Margaret Tudor to the Scottish king. I realize that this is long ago history and not a rape, but very young bodies should not be bearing children even now when medical standards are much better. All of the people who have been these disgusting comments should be ashamed.
Yes, I thought of it immediately. Nice to know that someone shares my interest in Tudor history. I read a bio of her not too long ago. Remarkable woman.
Yes, Shakespeare wrote a great role for her in Richard III.
Dynastic marriages were usually arranged at birth, and the children were wedded with enormous ceremony - and witnesses - at puberty. This continued until the Napoleonic era. Marie-Antoinette was 14 when she was sent from Vienna to Paris to marry the shy 15-year-old who unfortunately became king of France at 19 when the heir to the throne, his elder brother, died of smallpox. She was spared an early pregnancy because although her mother sent her full instructions, her boy husband didn't know what to do (it's all there in the letters!). When her brother came to visit her in Paris he had a quiet talk with his brother-in-law, and the first child was conceived, seven years into the marriage.
I believe that Margaret Beaufort became the ward of Edmund Tudor and he married her...as she was a Beaufort and descended from John of Gaunt and Katherine Swynford through the Beauforts....made legit, but weren't supposed to be in line for the throne. Often the elite were married very early by proxy usually and then cohabited when they were deemed old enough.
Yes. I am also reminded of old men with very young wives. When we visited the Tyler plantation in Virginia, the grandson of John Tyler was still alive.
'James Bopp: What Citizens United Means for Campaign Finance'
OCTOBER 30, 2012
'Attorney James Bopp was the intellectual architect behind the landmark Citizens United case that was decided by the Supreme Court. The Citizens decision held that independent political spending is a form of protected speech. Bopp told FRONTLINE that he believes further deregulation of political spending would improve the democratic process. This is the edited transcript of an interview conducted on July. 27, 2012.'
I am not deceived, and I DO respect what you are saying. I do believe, just not through the "Christian" religion, but that's a subject for another day. I do thank you for your thoughts
After studying the Holy Bible's Scripture for a time the message Our FATHER in Heaven gives us to embody is:
(Proverbs 13:24)
Observe, it is the rod of a parent, directed by GOD's wisdom, (and NOT our own contemporary wisdumb), and by HIS love, and it is designed for good instruction & life long habits, not the rod applied to the back of, in this case, a politically elected public servant as I believe you are referencing.
Thank you for your sincere perspective, George - I agree with your interpretation. Actually, I was making an irreverent reference to twisted, perverse sexual obsession that results in this kind of denial and neglect that accepts, allows or justifies rape of any kind - especially of a child - so disassociated from love at the heart of life and wise parental guidance. I appreciate the reminder of love at the core of these teachings -so often distorted, misinterpreted and maligned by deviant minds and corrupted hearts - thank you for applying the rod of truth to this discussion, redirecting attention to the essential meaning.
George: ... too often, buried between the lines of misinterpretation and misapplication of fundamental truths - witness those who lord over others in malicious, oppressive, murderous, rapist ways, all in the name of God ... so, how do we bring it back around to universal love ...?
Oh Steve - according to Faux its ok now - someone was actually charged so it might be true! BUT they still want to go after the dr. Reprehensible? Absolutely. Honestly cant believe the stupidity & complete lack of empathy displayed - by supposed news orgs but even worse by the people who have been voted (!) into office.
About the 10 year old girl... the PBS NewsHour reported that the girl was actually 9 years old when she was raped. The callous attitudes of Bopp and others of his ilk are totally reprehensible.
Even more frightful than a ten-year-old being forced to take on the responsibility for a life, is what the nine-year-old child endured.
I agree 100%, but the past cannot be changed so the focus should shift to all the additional physical and psychological-mental harm that the child would endure for the rest of her life if FORCED to carry the baby to term at great risk to herself. Comparisons of these two types of trauma.... well, I don't even know where to begin, but it is true that the first was the result of one despicable individual whereas the second would have been the result of a coordinated effort by elected politicians to control women's bodies. -- I keep thinking "What would those self-righteous politicians have done if it had been their own 9 year old daughter?"
They would have sought an abortion that wasnтАЩt an тАЬabortion,тАЭ because if youтАЩre self-righteous and you say it isnтАЩt an тАЬabortion,тАЭ then itтАЩs not. Duh.
It's "Newspeak," straight out of "1984."
And the Newspeak is not limited to the issue of abortion. With very few exceptions (thank goodness that there are a few in the GOP with a spine who are now telling the truth to the Jan 6th Committee), the invertebrate Republicans lie whenever it suits their purposes then label it the TRUTH. ANd on the other side of the coin they label the truth as FAKE NEWS. I fear that it will take quite some time to return to the "normal" politics of Left and Right.
Gaslit Nation podcasts
Aren't forced birth and rape both war crimes?
And crimes against humanity, too.
Two women I know here in Portugal were born of Jewish mother's in Nazii consentration camps in 1942 of SS father's. You can not imagine the psychological turmoil they have experienced all their lives.
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My thoughts as well, would the self-righteous arses take responsibility? hell No. would the rapist? Hell no. The first rape despicable, the second, unconscionable.
That precious innocent child has forever been altered by the molestation of Evil's rape to now know the fear of paranoia forever.
the bell once rung
Can never be un-rung
They would have made sure there was an abortion in a nanosecond which makes them despicable hypocrites as well as unfeeling heartless soulless people.
I am always reminded of Margaret Beaufort who was married to Edmund Tudor when she was very young...12 or 13 maybe and became PG immediately. When she bore Henry (who later became Henry VII), Edmund was already dead and the birth was very difficult for her. She never had any more children and tried to make sure that the females in her family did not undergo the same as she had, making sure that they were old enough before traveling to be married as in the case of Margaret Tudor to the Scottish king. I realize that this is long ago history and not a rape, but very young bodies should not be bearing children even now when medical standards are much better. All of the people who have been these disgusting comments should be ashamed.
I've been surprised that no reporter has explained that a 10 year old body is not yet fully developed and a pregnancy is extremely high risk.
That fact was discussed with an Ob-Gyn on the PBS NewsHour.
But it's been conspicuously absent from most other print and video media reports.
That may come. Right now everyone is focusing on the disgusting responses.
Even horse breeders do not want females bred too young as they can develop swayback.
I didn't know that. Learn something every day here. Thanks for posting.
DidnтАЩt know that either!
Michele: that history was one of my first thoughts as well as she was unable to have any more children because of that too-young pregnancy.
Yes, I thought of it immediately. Nice to know that someone shares my interest in Tudor history. I read a bio of her not too long ago. Remarkable woman.
Yes, Shakespeare wrote a great role for her in Richard III.
Dynastic marriages were usually arranged at birth, and the children were wedded with enormous ceremony - and witnesses - at puberty. This continued until the Napoleonic era. Marie-Antoinette was 14 when she was sent from Vienna to Paris to marry the shy 15-year-old who unfortunately became king of France at 19 when the heir to the throne, his elder brother, died of smallpox. She was spared an early pregnancy because although her mother sent her full instructions, her boy husband didn't know what to do (it's all there in the letters!). When her brother came to visit her in Paris he had a quiet talk with his brother-in-law, and the first child was conceived, seven years into the marriage.
I believe that Margaret Beaufort became the ward of Edmund Tudor and he married her...as she was a Beaufort and descended from John of Gaunt and Katherine Swynford through the Beauforts....made legit, but weren't supposed to be in line for the throne. Often the elite were married very early by proxy usually and then cohabited when they were deemed old enough.
There is a reason that 50% of first time mothers during that period died during childbirth.
Yes. I am also reminded of old men with very young wives. When we visited the Tyler plantation in Virginia, the grandson of John Tyler was still alive.
English law cited in Dobbs came from the same period of time, I think.
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Yes Anne-Louise, the abuse of the child is being completely disregarded.
Bopp needs a terminal bopping.
I will volunteer to give him a right hook and upper cut.
TC, your comment reminds me too much of be bopping. He is not the music that we want to dance to!
Indeed!!!
IтАЩve got the shovel
I assume you mean of a vasectomy! Or, did you mean a lobotomy?
Is Bopp the same Bopp who wrote and brought Citizens United to Supreme Court? If so, heтАЩs been working for the right wing a very long time.
'James Bopp: What Citizens United Means for Campaign Finance'
OCTOBER 30, 2012
'Attorney James Bopp was the intellectual architect behind the landmark Citizens United case that was decided by the Supreme Court. The Citizens decision held that independent political spending is a form of protected speech. Bopp told FRONTLINE that he believes further deregulation of political spending would improve the democratic process. This is the edited transcript of an interview conducted on July. 27, 2012.'
https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/article/james-bopp-what-citizens-united-means-for-campaign-finance/
Fern
Thank you
Important knowledge...
And
concise in its dissemination!
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yep, not their child so they don't really care
Besides, IтАЩm sure they justify the sacrifice by looking toward THEIR bigger goals of authoritarianism, Christianity and hate
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Please do not be deceived:
Love and only love is Christianity...hate and authoritarianism are not that of CHRIST, never has been, never will be.
The Bible is so full of violence and straight up porn that it would be banned if it were anything but The Bible.
Religion is poison for a civil society. 'Dobbs' is a result of allowing religious fanatics positions of power i.e. the USSC.
The sooner humans ditch theocracy the better chance they have to find a way for 8 billion of us to share the planet and survive as a species.
'Humanity will only be truly free when the last king is strangled with the entrails of the last priest'
-Voltaire I think
That pretty much covers it.
I am not deceived, and I DO respect what you are saying. I do believe, just not through the "Christian" religion, but that's a subject for another day. I do thank you for your thoughts
... after all, doesn't scripture say to "spare not the rod" ...?
Kathleen Allen:
After studying the Holy Bible's Scripture for a time the message Our FATHER in Heaven gives us to embody is:
(Proverbs 13:24)
Observe, it is the rod of a parent, directed by GOD's wisdom, (and NOT our own contemporary wisdumb), and by HIS love, and it is designed for good instruction & life long habits, not the rod applied to the back of, in this case, a politically elected public servant as I believe you are referencing.
Thank you for your sincere perspective, George - I agree with your interpretation. Actually, I was making an irreverent reference to twisted, perverse sexual obsession that results in this kind of denial and neglect that accepts, allows or justifies rape of any kind - especially of a child - so disassociated from love at the heart of life and wise parental guidance. I appreciate the reminder of love at the core of these teachings -so often distorted, misinterpreted and maligned by deviant minds and corrupted hearts - thank you for applying the rod of truth to this discussion, redirecting attention to the essential meaning.
Kathleen Allen:
Love always and only.......
'Scripture' gives instructions for disciplining one's slaves.
... including wives and children by the 'master' of the house ... so much meaning and truth has been distorted and lost in translation ...!!
Don:
Wow!
Where's the love man!?
George: ... too often, buried between the lines of misinterpretation and misapplication of fundamental truths - witness those who lord over others in malicious, oppressive, murderous, rapist ways, all in the name of God ... so, how do we bring it back around to universal love ...?
Oh Steve - according to Faux its ok now - someone was actually charged so it might be true! BUT they still want to go after the dr. Reprehensible? Absolutely. Honestly cant believe the stupidity & complete lack of empathy displayed - by supposed news orgs but even worse by the people who have been voted (!) into office.