The DOJ needs to indict and arrest Trump, bring him to trial quickly with the documents case, get him into a cell without his cell phone, then methodically throw the book at him.
Then, assuming the sky has not fallen in the meantime, they should begin arresting everyone else who contributed to the events of Jan. 6th. This needs to happen…
The DOJ needs to indict and arrest Trump, bring him to trial quickly with the documents case, get him into a cell without his cell phone, then methodically throw the book at him.
Then, assuming the sky has not fallen in the meantime, they should begin arresting everyone else who contributed to the events of Jan. 6th. This needs to happen before the GOP has finished wrecking Congress.
Also, if there is a criminal case in Georgia to be made against Trump and his assorted flunkies, now is the time to make it.
This needs to dominate the news cycle, not the travails of pissy little Kevin and associated bratty neofascisti.
Mike, until I'm blue in the face and Hell freezes over, if necessary. Unless proven wrong, I will continue to believe that we are a nation of laws, despite our many past failures in this respect.
How will Garland live with himself if he fails to save our nation? I'm sure he knows what needs to be done. If not, maybe a few million people gathering peacefully on the Mall would help him understand.
David, I do believe it is time to show our support for the indictment of Trump AND sitting members of Congress who are election deniers, seditionists and insurrectionists. A gathering on the Mall may be in order to support our Justice department and make it crystal clear there are consequences outlined in our Constitution for dealing with traitors and their supporters.
Yup. Not a protest: but a large showing for a full disclosure and accounting of what happened by DOJ following through on Jan 6 committee recommendations (and anything else they have on the table). I'm ready to go to WaDC, anyway- part of my personal Reclaim America plan. It'd be great to be there with a few hundred thousand other like-minded folks.
Karen, I think you might be right. This is all so unprecedented that we don't have any point of reference But maybe because of that the kind of solid measured show of citizen --not. sure what the wording would be-- proposal/request/support-- might leave the mountain no choice but movement
Good morning, David.I almost forget that Merrick Garland was chosen by Obama to be a Supreme Court justice, a position for which he is, both by training and temperament, perfectly suited. Biden gave him the consolation prize of his current job and he accepted, it seems to me, without a whole lot of thought about what might be coming. I just hope he has a bit of an edge that we've seen once or twice and can come out swinging when he needs to.
I also agree with Linda that a piece must be missing. And Garland livers in the shadow of the complete humiliation of Mueller who let himself be forced to speak when the evidence wasn't there
Nice comment, Dean I think Mueller had plenty of evidence, especially for several charges of obstruction of justice, but he allowed himself to get bushwhacked by Bill (that two-faced bastard!) Barr, and the MSM let it pass so as not to seem biased. I mean heck, the President was their golden goose, and it was too soon to dump on Trump.
I hope Garland and Smith are too savvy to get bushwhacked this time.
Well, Mueller begged them not to insist on his testifying and he said repeatedly in response to direct questions that, no, he didn't have enough to indict. And I am definitely not remembering his exact words. I did read them but my memory is long gone for that kind of detail. What I do remember clearly is that what they wanted was for Mueller to hand them something they could use in a court of law and he couldn't or wouldn't do it. I completely agree with you about Bill Barr. Reading up on Barr was how I first ran across that word "Dominionist." Very creepy idea. And Barr has a bad history. He was awful until he saw the ship might be sinking and he would be smarter to get off. An opportunist. I nearly couldn't watch his testimony to the Jan 6 committee. I realize they had to use a lot of horrible people but he lied with such ease. Anyway, my reference to Mueller as a comment on Garland is that Garland surely remembers the terrible humiliation they put Mueller through, browbeating him unmercifully. It was a convincing show of just how brutal people can be in that arena. No matter which side they're on. And that's enough about that. Those images of that good, stoic man have stuck with me.
Liz, I may have missed something, but the infamous OLC memo of 1973(?) was just ... a memo, not a law or a SCOTUS decision. And I understand that an institutionalist and conservative like Mueller was not interested in setting precedents. But if he had clearly said that in any other similar case he would recommend indictment, and that the only reason he felt he couldn't do that was the OLC memo, and had done so before Barr claimed his "right" to characterize and summarize Mueller's report before the press had read and analyzed the original, then we might have dealt with Trump sooner rather than later. Now it's water under the bridge, and Trump is just a private citizen and as subject to prosecution as any other citizen.
But failure of our public servants to see past what they consider to be "precedent" and imagine the dire consequences of their acts in the context of our history is a real problem. Courage is not easy, but there are times when nothing less will suffice.
"an old man with diminished auditory acuity, a little lost in a cavernous hearing room trying to locate who was speaking . . . and he wasn't into the Dems gotcha theatre."
Liz, I don't know what part you thought was poorly worded, but this description of Robert Mueller nearly brought me to tears. A strong and a fragile man who no one with any sense of decency would have involved in that brutal show. It outraged me then and it still does.
David, I have thought for several months that there is a hole in the case to make against Trump and the others. I don't think he has a bullet proof case. Maybe the weak link is the FBI, CIA or another larger player. I think what very little they can prove on Trump isn't worth the embarrassment the Democrats would have to withstand.
The hole is a jury of 12 human beings that will be harangued and lied to by Trump's lawyers for months on end.
By the time Trump's lawyers muddy up the water, make it look like Garland is lying and make Trump look like the victim, there is very likely to be at least ONE juror that votes to acquit.
So, still, bring it on. Let process proceed. He might get off like OJ, but at least our laws and our justice system will proceed, all the way up our corrupted "supreme court" no doubt. Right now, he is way overdue for an arrest.
Such as? Suicide? Assassination? A mysterious car crash? Food poisoning? Too many big Macs? Nuclear war? A hurricane with better aim? Another pandemic that only strikes GOP members of Congress? Hey, this is fun imagining all the the things that might happen instead of what desperately needs to happen.
Art, the Deus ex Machina has be be us, through our elected representatives, duly appointed officials, and as determined by law under the Constitution. Anything less will not begin to start solving our many problems.
Susan. I believe citizens born in the USA cannot have their citizenship revoked under any circumstances. They can be imprisoned for life, however, even executed, despite the barbarity of it.
I agree with you and it should have already happened by now, but I trust Garland, especially now that he's installed Jack Smith in charge, kind of like his guard dog. I foresee trump and cohorts getting indicted at the same time in pre-dawn raids....
Addressing your, "This needs to happen before the GOP has finished wrecking Congress": I have no fear that they are wrecking Congress--they're wrecking their own party! I am presently watching the chaotic vote in the House in utter glee as my prayers are being answered. The GOP is self-imploding in utter humiliation....
The DOJ needs to indict and arrest Trump, bring him to trial quickly with the documents case, get him into a cell without his cell phone, then methodically throw the book at him.
Then, assuming the sky has not fallen in the meantime, they should begin arresting everyone else who contributed to the events of Jan. 6th. This needs to happen before the GOP has finished wrecking Congress.
Also, if there is a criminal case in Georgia to be made against Trump and his assorted flunkies, now is the time to make it.
This needs to dominate the news cycle, not the travails of pissy little Kevin and associated bratty neofascisti.
David,
Recommendation: Do Not Hold Your Breath Waiting for Garland.
Mike, until I'm blue in the face and Hell freezes over, if necessary. Unless proven wrong, I will continue to believe that we are a nation of laws, despite our many past failures in this respect.
How will Garland live with himself if he fails to save our nation? I'm sure he knows what needs to be done. If not, maybe a few million people gathering peacefully on the Mall would help him understand.
David, I do believe it is time to show our support for the indictment of Trump AND sitting members of Congress who are election deniers, seditionists and insurrectionists. A gathering on the Mall may be in order to support our Justice department and make it crystal clear there are consequences outlined in our Constitution for dealing with traitors and their supporters.
Yup. Not a protest: but a large showing for a full disclosure and accounting of what happened by DOJ following through on Jan 6 committee recommendations (and anything else they have on the table). I'm ready to go to WaDC, anyway- part of my personal Reclaim America plan. It'd be great to be there with a few hundred thousand other like-minded folks.
Karen, I think you might be right. This is all so unprecedented that we don't have any point of reference But maybe because of that the kind of solid measured show of citizen --not. sure what the wording would be-- proposal/request/support-- might leave the mountain no choice but movement
Goodness it is a tangled web
Good morning, David.I almost forget that Merrick Garland was chosen by Obama to be a Supreme Court justice, a position for which he is, both by training and temperament, perfectly suited. Biden gave him the consolation prize of his current job and he accepted, it seems to me, without a whole lot of thought about what might be coming. I just hope he has a bit of an edge that we've seen once or twice and can come out swinging when he needs to.
I also agree with Linda that a piece must be missing. And Garland livers in the shadow of the complete humiliation of Mueller who let himself be forced to speak when the evidence wasn't there
Nice comment, Dean I think Mueller had plenty of evidence, especially for several charges of obstruction of justice, but he allowed himself to get bushwhacked by Bill (that two-faced bastard!) Barr, and the MSM let it pass so as not to seem biased. I mean heck, the President was their golden goose, and it was too soon to dump on Trump.
I hope Garland and Smith are too savvy to get bushwhacked this time.
Well, Mueller begged them not to insist on his testifying and he said repeatedly in response to direct questions that, no, he didn't have enough to indict. And I am definitely not remembering his exact words. I did read them but my memory is long gone for that kind of detail. What I do remember clearly is that what they wanted was for Mueller to hand them something they could use in a court of law and he couldn't or wouldn't do it. I completely agree with you about Bill Barr. Reading up on Barr was how I first ran across that word "Dominionist." Very creepy idea. And Barr has a bad history. He was awful until he saw the ship might be sinking and he would be smarter to get off. An opportunist. I nearly couldn't watch his testimony to the Jan 6 committee. I realize they had to use a lot of horrible people but he lied with such ease. Anyway, my reference to Mueller as a comment on Garland is that Garland surely remembers the terrible humiliation they put Mueller through, browbeating him unmercifully. It was a convincing show of just how brutal people can be in that arena. No matter which side they're on. And that's enough about that. Those images of that good, stoic man have stuck with me.
Liz, I may have missed something, but the infamous OLC memo of 1973(?) was just ... a memo, not a law or a SCOTUS decision. And I understand that an institutionalist and conservative like Mueller was not interested in setting precedents. But if he had clearly said that in any other similar case he would recommend indictment, and that the only reason he felt he couldn't do that was the OLC memo, and had done so before Barr claimed his "right" to characterize and summarize Mueller's report before the press had read and analyzed the original, then we might have dealt with Trump sooner rather than later. Now it's water under the bridge, and Trump is just a private citizen and as subject to prosecution as any other citizen.
But failure of our public servants to see past what they consider to be "precedent" and imagine the dire consequences of their acts in the context of our history is a real problem. Courage is not easy, but there are times when nothing less will suffice.
"an old man with diminished auditory acuity, a little lost in a cavernous hearing room trying to locate who was speaking . . . and he wasn't into the Dems gotcha theatre."
Liz, I don't know what part you thought was poorly worded, but this description of Robert Mueller nearly brought me to tears. A strong and a fragile man who no one with any sense of decency would have involved in that brutal show. It outraged me then and it still does.
David, I have thought for several months that there is a hole in the case to make against Trump and the others. I don't think he has a bullet proof case. Maybe the weak link is the FBI, CIA or another larger player. I think what very little they can prove on Trump isn't worth the embarrassment the Democrats would have to withstand.
The hole is a jury of 12 human beings that will be harangued and lied to by Trump's lawyers for months on end.
By the time Trump's lawyers muddy up the water, make it look like Garland is lying and make Trump look like the victim, there is very likely to be at least ONE juror that votes to acquit.
So, still, bring it on. Let process proceed. He might get off like OJ, but at least our laws and our justice system will proceed, all the way up our corrupted "supreme court" no doubt. Right now, he is way overdue for an arrest.
Agree.
I agree the uniqueness of the Trump Legal Team’s deep feed bag would turn any trial into an endless circus.
The spectacle of January 6, is too large with too many highly placed participants to condense to straight forward prosecution.
I imagine Garland’s brighter bunch is figuring an alternate.
My suspicion is Deus Ex Machina is the only decent end to the fiasco of 45.
Such as? Suicide? Assassination? A mysterious car crash? Food poisoning? Too many big Macs? Nuclear war? A hurricane with better aim? Another pandemic that only strikes GOP members of Congress? Hey, this is fun imagining all the the things that might happen instead of what desperately needs to happen.
Art, the Deus ex Machina has be be us, through our elected representatives, duly appointed officials, and as determined by law under the Constitution. Anything less will not begin to start solving our many problems.
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Sadly, Mike, you have identified the hole.
So, let's see the hole
Lynn, I wish we could and just be done with this. The longer this drags on, the more fodder for the GOP.
I'd say the longer this drags on, the more fodder for Democrats and progressives, if only we knew what to do with fodder.
That is a maybe. With the current fragmented party a lot of mouths are in full yawn.
Are there wats to revoke Trump's citizenship? And his gang?
Susan. I believe citizens born in the USA cannot have their citizenship revoked under any circumstances. They can be imprisoned for life, however, even executed, despite the barbarity of it.
I agree with you and it should have already happened by now, but I trust Garland, especially now that he's installed Jack Smith in charge, kind of like his guard dog. I foresee trump and cohorts getting indicted at the same time in pre-dawn raids....
Addressing your, "This needs to happen before the GOP has finished wrecking Congress": I have no fear that they are wrecking Congress--they're wrecking their own party! I am presently watching the chaotic vote in the House in utter glee as my prayers are being answered. The GOP is self-imploding in utter humiliation....