The Santos story (or fairytale) gets weirder and weirder with each passing day. This guy got elected on a bed of lies, and it’s obvious that he’s been a shyster for a long time.
The Santos story (or fairytale) gets weirder and weirder with each passing day. This guy got elected on a bed of lies, and it’s obvious that he’s been a shyster for a long time.
Santos is beyond mysterious and bizarre. Where did his $$$ come from? Hints of Russia for a small portion but really a 'musical chairs' type explanation. When $$$ source is revealed I think that is when the music stops and everyone races for a chair and the ca ca hits the fan. Time frame unknowable.
Don't they have to elect a Speaker before any business can be done? When does Santos expect to be sworn in? I read somewhere just now that Brazilian law is after him.
Until the Speaker is elected, the House will be run by the Clerk of the House of Representatives, the Honorable Cheryl L. Johnson - https://clerk.house.gov/About#OverviewContact The members-elect are not sworn in until the Speaker is chosen.
In Michigan the newly elected member of the Michigan Supreme Court was sworn in Sunday by Governor Gretchen Whitmer. She is a black woman whose husband took two months of family leave to care for their new born daughter. She is the granddaughter of a man lynched many years ago for asking for a receipt from a store in the South. Justice is moving and the pace seems to be quickening. Hallelujah and Amen.
Susan, I was thinking along similar lines this week, watching the circus set up. It's going to be interesting to see if the House extremists manage to demand their way right out of having any influence at all. It seems to be leaning that way. So, I wonder who will end up being speaker? Why do some people think it might be Santos? At this rate, he may end up not in the House at all. I think McCarthy is on the slide out. Even if he manages to pull something off, he will owe so many conflicting interests that not much is likely to get done. And it's a good setup for Dems to reclaim house in 24.
So Cathy what happens if Santos is tossed. A few years ago our neighboring state, Nevada, purposefully elected a dead man to their state legislature in order to claim the seat for the Republican Party. Said party then appointed a Republican candidate to fill the so called vacancy.
And Cheryl Johnson is not just a “clerk” or a black woman but is highly educated (law student from Howard Univ) but effectively handled the Smithsonian’s recent acquisition of the African American Museum. She is in charge of the House while these schmucks are infighting. The House is in good hands.
Thanks for the excellent civics lesson Cathy. I was not aware of the Clerk of the House position, and was wondering what was going to happen if the Republicans could not choose a Speaker in a timely fashion. I was also unaware that new members could not be seated until a speaker is chosen. If that is the case, do the old members continue to vote? Looks like the Honorable Cheryl L. Johnson (who has a pretty impressive bio, I might add) will be a pivotal figure in the coming days or weeks, even.
I believe that newly-elected members can vote. If they can’t, McCarthy can never get 218 votes, and at least some Republicans would have demanded that Santos resign. And if now-former members could vote, Hakeem Jeffries would become Speaker today.
Keystone Kev is laser focused on becoming Speaker. I doubt if he knows rules of the House. I doubt that he knows much of anything except how to count to the number he needs to become Speaker. He is an embarrassment. I am trying to get ready for the dumpster fire that is coming in the House. I am trying out a new single malt, so that may be in play from time to time.
'Kevin McCarthy Fails Math for First Time Since High School'
January 3, 2023
'WASHINGTON (The Borowitz Report)—In a historic setback, Representative Kevin McCarthy has failed a math test for the first time since high school.'
'Witnesses in Congress said that the California lawmaker sat ashen-faced as it appeared that, once again, he was no match for arithmetic.' (Satire, NewYorker)
No 118th House Biz until a Majority Leader is elected. This means no seating of any newly elected Reps such as serial Santos. Brazil & the US have a mutual extradition Treaty circa 1960's. Lula in charge in Brazil where criminal proceedings may go forward in abstentia.
Praying for the 14th Amendment Section 3 to be used for any that had sworn an oath to support and defend the Constitution prior to January 6. Remove them (TFG included) and put someone else in their place.
How do you think the present DOJ would react to a request for Santos’ extradition? Hint: I bet he wouldn’t get bail there, and as far as I know, they don’t have a speedy-trial provision in the constitution.
No trial necessary in Brazil as Santos admitted years ago to a 'misunderstanding' although I would want to know the exact word(s) Santos spoke in Portuguese to try to cover his Fraud. Fraud was the Brazillian charge. There is a mutual US - Brazil Extradition Treaty. Update: On the case stats in Brazil , the Rio de Janeiro Prosecutor's spokeswoman is Maristella ... .
Just means the criminal adjudication in Brazil can go forward without the physical presence of the wayward defendant. I understand Santos does have counsel in the US communicating with the Brazilian authorities. Apparently, the Brazilians have old admissions from Santos just like his current scams.
Thanks, Cathy - that's what I understood it to mean. My little "smile" symbol wasn't big or yellow enough. I scratched around for a smiley, but it refused to be copied.
How can they have not known where he was? A google search will probably turn up my dog let alone an actual physical address. I don't think they were looking very hard because Bolsanaro was in charge.
Here's a clue: George Santos is an optometrist on Martha's Vineyard. It's not an uncommon name, and apparently he's used other names as well. I'm easy to find online because my name is unusual. When I'm fact-checking a manuscript, I *love* unusual names. (Just had to track down a John Allen who was in Congress ca. 1800. Knowing he was in Congress helped. If I had to find a contemporary John Allen without knowing much about him, it would be hard.)
Btw, the Santos case is from 2008. Bolsonaro didn't take office till 2019.
Has the issue of where he was born ever been made clear? Something I read earlier suggested Brazil. This makes me sound like Trump (ugh) but a serious question. Everything else he has said is a lie.
Not that I've seen. I'm not sure his citizenship has been established either. A born-in-Brazil naturalized citizen could serve in Congress. A non-citizen most definitely could not.
As someone pointed out, Santos has begun his tenure with one more lie. He posted a self-congratulatory message on his website about being sworn in. Then took it down when it was publicly pointed out that NO ONE has been sworn in because there's no Speaker of the House.
And some viewers bought it ... even The Hill platform mindlessly repeated the Con. Today's House session started with a warning to the behavior of newly elected members who have NOT been sworn in ... I have to go back & listen again. UPDATE: Meanwhile, the 7th vote was 19 for Donalds, 1 for Trump (Gaetz after running in from a Fox news interview to make his vote for tfg), and 1 "present". No Kevin.
I know people are crowing about that, but OTOH it's not impossible that his webmaster posted the page in the reasonable (at the time) expectation that he would be sworn in shortly and then took it down when the clown show got under way. It's *possible* that Santos is doing his own web work, but I wouldn't assume that.
I would not assume that either, but I do believe Santos has a computer platform in his Space Coast condominium to communicate with Brazillian contacts & other Floridian & NY District marks.
The Santos difference is his last name and his skin color. He is of Hispanic, not Anglo descent and his skin is dark, not white. For those two reasons, he may be in a bit of trouble with Republican Americans (but maybe not) who will NOT view him as worth supporting like they did with Trump who also lied with every breath.
If Santos was Anglo, there would not even be any news stories about him. Just a normal Republican lying at every breath like Trump.
Interesting that descendants of Southern Italians are OK, but not Hispanics. When Friedrich Drumpf decided to leave Bavaria and try the New World, thousands of Italians from the Veneto were doing likewise, but they went to Brazil instead of America - mainly to work in the coffee plantations. Among them numerous members of the Bolzonaro family - in Veneto dialect the "z" sounds like "s", so that's how they were registered. That makes him technically Italian, not Hispanic. Now, in Italy the northerners have a poor opinion of the "gente della Bassa" (anywhere south of Naples), which includes anyone whose name begins "De" and ends in "s". But time and politics heal all wounds, and the ex-President of Brazil and the hopeful-President of the USA may fall on each other's necks like brothers. We'll soon see.
Yeah Mike. That is the way it goes. I am so proud to be made up of among other blood some of Hispanic origin. I think it hardens my edge. Let’s face it some blades dull far too soon. When you think about chance and DNA and a grandfather of long ago being found drifting off the coast of South Carolina as a 3 year old clinging alone amidst the bodies and wreckage of a Spanish galleon taken by pirates and left adrift one concludes just how breathtakingly lucky one has become as that tenuous strand is your lifeline. Throw in some scotch and some Irish whiskey along side the tequila and I would be willing to bet that is only a beginning. We are one. Although people demean others we are the humans. Demeanors come in last place in the human race.
I'm with you on the money and I can't wait to find out! I vote that it's from the Russians. They behave like Putin did when he gave trump the once over and got his number, then all he had to do was praise him to get the concessions he wanted (they're in the translator's notes that were torn up). Santos is not someone one would call smart...plus he's got some kind of mental disorder. Where else can the Russians find a better candidate to vote for their interests, such as deny funding to the Ukraine?
I would think that the constituents who voted Santos in would want to recall him in a special election? We’re not hearing anything from people in his district.
He will probably be noted in some History books and time will tell where the $$$s came from. Russia is a good guess! However, we don't really know who all is behind tfg! I wonder why he had a bank account in China? So many questions and so few answers!
There's that, but there's also the fact that the GOP's House majority is pretty slim, and the caucus is fractured, to put it mildly. Also fractious, come to think of it. If Santos resigns or is expelled, I think there's a pretty good chance that a Democrat will win the special election to replace him. (Everyone who voted for Santos ought to be doing penance, or community service, or something.)
That's exactly why the GOP doesn't want Santos to be expelled. And BTW if it was a Democrat who lied about his background and had charges pending in Brazil, you can bet the Repubs would clammering for his removal!!
I am also puzzled by the Santos story but in a different way.
I think the Santos story is BIG because he is of Latin descent, has a Hispanic last name and his skin is dark. He has the wrong last name and the wrong skin color.
Americans don't care about the lying. They care that Santos is not a white Anglo.
In 2016 a serial liar, philanderer, rapist, wife beater and well known, long time crook named Donald Trump ran for President. The vast majority of what he said on any given day was a lie.
Republican Americans coaelesced around him and spent four years either licking his shoes or rolled over on their backs as he continued to lie every day. Most days, those behaivors looked like full support for Trump.
George W. Bush also told huge lies: Remember weapons of mass destruction? Nothing happened to him and Americans died for that lie.
Daddy Bush I also lied. Remember Willie Horton? That was a huge lie.
Reagan lied constantly as well and I will enumerate two of them: 1) There was a black woman in Chicago with 15 addressesses collecting 15 welfare checks and 2) "I did not sell weapons to Iran the then send the money to a bloodthirsty dictatorship in Latin America".
So, since most Republicans lie constantly and have since Ronald Reagan, I think the Santos story is "big" NOT because he also lied.
Again, I think the Santos story is BIG because he is of Latin descent, has a Hispanic last name and his skin is dark. He has the wrong last name and the wrong skin color.
Americans don't care about the lying. They care that Santos is not a white Anglo.
Bill Clinton's serial philandering, including forcing himself on a young girl in the OVAL OFFICE, and the fact that Democrats did not convict him in his Impeachment trial was the platform that Republicans used to acquit Trump for lying and being nasty dude.
Clinton's serial phliandering and Hillary's support for that cost her the White House.
WORSE, if Bill Clinton had managed to keep his pants on in the Oval Office Al Gore would have won and there would never have been 20 years of shoot em up in Afghanistan and Iraq.
Bill Clinton was just one rolling disaster. Now we find out he was in routine attendance with Jeffrey Epstein.
Monica has stated she was in love with him, she did what she did willingly. While I would wish every president had a sterling character, IMO, what Bush did, sending our military off to fight unjust wars and millions of people either killed or displaced, much more egregious.
No, I don't believe there was any force exerted on his or her part. Both of them knew what they wanted from their relationship from the start. Bill underestimated Monica. And, no matter how many times Bill swore to people ("I did not have sex with that woman, Miss Lewinsky"), he still got caught by the infamous blue dress. Bill approached his friend Vernon Jordan (who was on the Revlon board of directors) to get Monica a job as an administrative assistant at Revlon. Later, when I read that, I laughed out loud. Did Bill really believe Monica would settle for being an admin. asst. at Revlon in New York? I thought, "Buddy, Monica's got a lot bigger plans than that." Monica made some $$$ on the whole escapade (e.g., paid TV interviews, product ensorsements, a book, et al). I've wondered a few times in the past years if Monica and Bill were still "dating."
I agree with you that every lowlife who participates or turns a blind eye to sexual abuse of minors should be jailed for the rest of their lives. New revelations about Clinton visiting Epstein’s perverted world should probably land him in jail. But by that reasoning, Trump should also go to jail for whatever he got out of his much longer and more open association with Epstein, don’t you think? And if we follow your logic, Matt Gaetz and Jim Jordan should also be in jail for their openly discussed but for some reason ignored proclivities, shouldn’t they? Also the rumors about McCathy’s sexual activities should be brought out in the open and investigated. Do you think that every Republican Congresswoman who allegedly participated in these alleged activities should be booted out of office? Should McCarthy? And, if they turn out to be false, the people propagating that set of lies need to be found and prosecuted for slander and defamation, yes? Why trot out old news, if,if, if, when your complaining conveniently focuses blame on Democrats and distracts from currently on-going potentially illegal behavior that demonstrates bad judgement, moral depravity and lack of self-control in the Republican ranks? Long ago, while Clinton was campaigning for his first term as President, I happened to meet a lovely older woman who had worked for the State Department for many years. She was appalled that Clinton was running, and probably going to win. She told me that his “inability to keep it in his pants “ was well known and made him a security risk. Clearly Trump is much more of an ongoing security risk, than Clinton. Please let’s talk about current events, here.
Yeah but the “current events” the Repubs want to talk about is one of Biden’s kid’s computer. I am far more interested in what’s on Trump’s kids’ computers. And Ginnie Thomas’ computers. Oh well.
You should listen to the Linda Tripp tapes. They still exist. Monica Lewinsky was literally besotted with Clinton and perceived herself as wife number 2 ala Libby Dole. Lewinsky stalked the president. Staff repeatedly tried to reasign the intern, who, by the way was in her 20s. Not a kid. That famous photograph of her along a fence happened because she got to the event 3 hours early and positioned herself front and center.
I don't think he forced himself on her. I'm sure she would have said so. That being said, I wish he had been able to control himself. He was one of the best presidents - period !
Well said. I voted for Bill C. twice, but his endless skirt-chasing and lying did cost the dem. party the WH (as you wrote) which subsequently put the U.S. in more useless wars, draining the U.S. Treasury and putting the blood of so many soldiers and civilians on U.S. hands. And the beat goes on....
Trump(s), Clinton(s), and Jeffrey Epstein represent the three sides of a power triangle ruling the U.S., a demoralizing triad who fule the nation's [and often the world's] present and future. Why can't we get honest, upfront people to run the U.S. government?
With all the factors weighing people down these days, I find a touch of political humor to be very good medicine. This moment in the trump-hillary "debates" is very therapeutic. I give thanks to the Dane(?) who made this gift for us all. Genius. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8Wde1fFvPg
Possibly, but I think Zeeshan Aleem of MSNBC has a better take on it: Republicans in particular are uneasy with Santos's lying in a way that they aren't with the lies and distortions that are endemic on the right because Trump et al.'s lies pander to the Republican base while Santos's lies are entirely about himself.
Mike S, your Reagan and Bush 1 & 2 examples would seem to support Aleem's thesis. However, you might want to take another look at your claim that "Americans don't care about the lying. They care that Santos is not a white Anglo." (1) "Americans" is a huge and diverse group. Are you really talking about *all* Americans? Could we maybe have some evidence, or at least a coherent argument? (2) I'm 71 years old, I've been paying attention to politics since I was in my mid-teens, and I haven't seen anything like this. That's one reason I'm paying attention to this story. Another reason is that I want to know why this didn't become national news till after the election.
I don't know where I saw it, I think perhaps on "Beau of the Fifth Column" youtube but I could be mistaken, but wherever it was the line was "the Republicans don't care that he lied, they care that he got caught"
Happy New Year, Mike S. I've scrolled down and seen a couple of your comments and you are hot out of the gates this year, as one of the other commenters frequently notes; "sizzling". Indeed!
See the Zeeshan Aleem link I posted just above. He suggests that the difference between Santos and the other mendacious Republicans is the kind of lies they tell: most Republicans lie to whip up and/or please their base, but Santos's lies were all about himself. I'm inclined to agree.
Mike, I never even gave his heritage a thought. You are right about the bipartisan lies that have been spread through the years by both sides. Santos' victory was also the result of the courts throwing out the redistricting plan that the NY legislature passed. Finally, you have to consider the Hispanic shift to the GOP over the past two election cycles.
In short, they both lie, but the Republicans do a better job of it.
Republicans supported Herschel Walker, a man with multiple personality disorder and a long record of domestic violence so yeah, they have no standards.
K With Walker and Santos, the Republicans have standards that reflect Jobba the Hutt and Newt Gingrich. It feels like going from a. Lincoln to a Yugo [voted absolutely worst post-WW II auto.]
But at least some of them are showing some ambivalence about Santos that they didn't about Walker. Some of that public ambivalence is coming from Republicans on Long Island and around NYC: they *know* this isn't going to play well in their neighborhood.
He is likely not a US citizen (his claim to have been born in the US is specious as he now admits he was born in Brazil; naturalization papers are public--but require FOIA requests--so the NYT is trying to figure it out), so has now very possibly committed multiple felonies in addition to the usual grift. It'll be super interesting if there's a temporary appointment by the governor in the 3rd District.
Linda Santos has so many aliases and falsifications that he may be a stateless person. How delightful if it could be established that he is not an American citizen. Then we could ship our Republican trash abroad.
Herb Isn’t Santos the Poster Boy of Trumpian ethics? He scores a perfect ten regarding false credentials, phony finances, his ‘Jewish Catholicism,’ and an imaginary entrepreneurial career that echoes Trump. Of course he will be seated. How could the Republicans reject one of their own?
No, just a "stable genius of a lesser sort" if we rate genial lying by how it is leveraged to achieve undeserved power. I think Santos may never be seated, but he'll have some funny stories for his grandchildren if he ever has any. A "where is he now?" story in the making.
Question??? Where were the investigative reporters when this guy Santos was running?Why has all this stuff come out after he was elected? Did I miss something?
He was in a Jewish district claiming to be Jewish so he passed the main "acceptability" criterion. Nobody asked any other question after the main question was "settled".
There was one paper that wrote about his questionable resume & refused to endorse him. The very right wing Long Island Leader. Tiny paper with part time staff. The readership is Fox- friendly so no one wanted to “out” him.
Why didn't the Democrats know about all this before the election? Or if they did know why didn't they do a loud, Republicanesque campaign about it? It seems they were so sure their candidate would win that, in thier arrogant minds, there was no need to look into or publicize this shyster's background.
As did a local journal. But it didn't gain traction in the national press. They were too busy watching polling to due the work necessary in following a lead.
Barney I’ve asked the same question about Democratic opposition research and the media. I found that a local newspaper last September published some of Santos’s fabrications with no apparent impact. (Santos also was a failed congressional candidate in 2020).
As a former Foreign Service Officer Political Officer and a successful local political candidate for municipal council I am gobsmacked that Santos’s fabrications went unnoticed, even by his Republican supporters.
Clearly Santos is a prime candidate for the House Ethics Committee, unless he is criminally apprehended.
David Santos qualifies as a member of the degutted House Ethics Committee. As a ‘Jewish Catholic,’ he should seek guidance from the ethics committee of the Vatican and the Haridim.
Richard I acknowledge that the Democrats failed to do rigorous opposition research on George Santos’s ‘resume.’ Perhaps, naively, they could not imagine such humongous falsehoods.
When President Biden kept warning that Putin was going to invade sovereign Ukraine, many, including President Zelensky, could not believe that Putin would do something so outrageous.
As P. T. Barnum phrased it “You can fool some of the people all of the time, you can fool all of the people some of the time, BUT you can’t fool all of the people all of the time.”
Santos is the latest step in the evolution of the politics of T****. Lies and more lies, bigger and better. If we don’t see prosecution of the men in suits, and soon, this is where we are headed.
Jack I didn’t think it possible, but George Santos has out-Trumped Trump in falsehoods and venality. I am awaiting Santos’s book THE ART OF THE SCHLEMIEL.
The Santos story (or fairytale) gets weirder and weirder with each passing day. This guy got elected on a bed of lies, and it’s obvious that he’s been a shyster for a long time.
So what will the GOP leadership do?
Absolutely nothing.
Santos is beyond mysterious and bizarre. Where did his $$$ come from? Hints of Russia for a small portion but really a 'musical chairs' type explanation. When $$$ source is revealed I think that is when the music stops and everyone races for a chair and the ca ca hits the fan. Time frame unknowable.
Don't they have to elect a Speaker before any business can be done? When does Santos expect to be sworn in? I read somewhere just now that Brazilian law is after him.
Until the Speaker is elected, the House will be run by the Clerk of the House of Representatives, the Honorable Cheryl L. Johnson - https://clerk.house.gov/About#OverviewContact The members-elect are not sworn in until the Speaker is chosen.
Note this is yet another first for black women!
In Michigan the newly elected member of the Michigan Supreme Court was sworn in Sunday by Governor Gretchen Whitmer. She is a black woman whose husband took two months of family leave to care for their new born daughter. She is the granddaughter of a man lynched many years ago for asking for a receipt from a store in the South. Justice is moving and the pace seems to be quickening. Hallelujah and Amen.
Maybe the Republicans have done the best thing by accident again :-)
They rarely do the right thing on purpose.
Susan, I was thinking along similar lines this week, watching the circus set up. It's going to be interesting to see if the House extremists manage to demand their way right out of having any influence at all. It seems to be leaning that way. So, I wonder who will end up being speaker? Why do some people think it might be Santos? At this rate, he may end up not in the House at all. I think McCarthy is on the slide out. Even if he manages to pull something off, he will owe so many conflicting interests that not much is likely to get done. And it's a good setup for Dems to reclaim house in 24.
So Cathy what happens if Santos is tossed. A few years ago our neighboring state, Nevada, purposefully elected a dead man to their state legislature in order to claim the seat for the Republican Party. Said party then appointed a Republican candidate to fill the so called vacancy.
A special election is held to fill the vacancy.
According to the Constitution Article I, Section 2, clause 4:
"When vacancies happen in the Representation from
any State, the Executive Authority thereof shall
issue Writs of Election to fill such Vacancies."
And Cheryl Johnson is not just a “clerk” or a black woman but is highly educated (law student from Howard Univ) but effectively handled the Smithsonian’s recent acquisition of the African American Museum. She is in charge of the House while these schmucks are infighting. The House is in good hands.
Thanks for the excellent civics lesson Cathy. I was not aware of the Clerk of the House position, and was wondering what was going to happen if the Republicans could not choose a Speaker in a timely fashion. I was also unaware that new members could not be seated until a speaker is chosen. If that is the case, do the old members continue to vote? Looks like the Honorable Cheryl L. Johnson (who has a pretty impressive bio, I might add) will be a pivotal figure in the coming days or weeks, even.
Yes Thanks Cathy! I learn something important every time you comment!
I believe that newly-elected members can vote. If they can’t, McCarthy can never get 218 votes, and at least some Republicans would have demanded that Santos resign. And if now-former members could vote, Hakeem Jeffries would become Speaker today.
I wonder if McCarthy even knew about “clerks”
Keystone Kev is laser focused on becoming Speaker. I doubt if he knows rules of the House. I doubt that he knows much of anything except how to count to the number he needs to become Speaker. He is an embarrassment. I am trying to get ready for the dumpster fire that is coming in the House. I am trying out a new single malt, so that may be in play from time to time.
It was discussed last night on MSNBC. I usually have it running in the background and I happened to catch that before I hopped into bed last night.
'Kevin McCarthy Fails Math for First Time Since High School'
January 3, 2023
'WASHINGTON (The Borowitz Report)—In a historic setback, Representative Kevin McCarthy has failed a math test for the first time since high school.'
'Witnesses in Congress said that the California lawmaker sat ashen-faced as it appeared that, once again, he was no match for arithmetic.' (Satire, NewYorker)
If the members-elect are not sworn in until after a speaker is chosen then how does the GQP have a majority to vote on who will be speaker?
According to the government document: House Practice: A Guide to the Rules Chapter 33 Oaths p. 631:
"Until a Member-elect has subscribed to the oath, he does not enjoy
all the rights and prerogatives of a Member of Congress. Deschler Ch 2
Sec. 2.1. Members who have not taken the oath are not entitled to vote
or to introduce bills. Manual Sec. 300; 8 Cannon Sec. 3122. However,
unsworn Members have participated at the beginning of a session in
organizational business, such as the election of the Speaker."
https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/GPO-HPRACTICE-108/html/GPO-HPRACTICE-108-34.htm
Thank you.
No 118th House Biz until a Majority Leader is elected. This means no seating of any newly elected Reps such as serial Santos. Brazil & the US have a mutual extradition Treaty circa 1960's. Lula in charge in Brazil where criminal proceedings may go forward in abstentia.
Maybe those Reps who took part or supported 6 Jan. ,can be un-elected too. It's worth s try.
That would be justice, of course. But NEVER going to happen. But Santos? If he is allowed in Congress, that is truly appalling.
If he is, it's a travesty, and will make this Congress the laughing-stock of the world.
It would fit in perfectly with the rest of the crazies! All the Republicans want is another stop Biden vote! Kinda like all those guys from Indiana!
Praying for the 14th Amendment Section 3 to be used for any that had sworn an oath to support and defend the Constitution prior to January 6. Remove them (TFG included) and put someone else in their place.
https://www.pogo.org/report/2022/11/the-constitutions-disqualification-clause-can-be-enforced-today
Yes! The 14th Amendment covers their bad behavior regarding insurrection so they much be removed in order to fulfill their oath to the Constitution!
Sounds very reasonable to me, but it's a bit late for today.
How do you think the present DOJ would react to a request for Santos’ extradition? Hint: I bet he wouldn’t get bail there, and as far as I know, they don’t have a speedy-trial provision in the constitution.
No trial necessary in Brazil as Santos admitted years ago to a 'misunderstanding' although I would want to know the exact word(s) Santos spoke in Portuguese to try to cover his Fraud. Fraud was the Brazillian charge. There is a mutual US - Brazil Extradition Treaty. Update: On the case stats in Brazil , the Rio de Janeiro Prosecutor's spokeswoman is Maristella ... .
Gosh! What do they have to abstain from? (Sorry... :)
Just means the criminal adjudication in Brazil can go forward without the physical presence of the wayward defendant. I understand Santos does have counsel in the US communicating with the Brazilian authorities. Apparently, the Brazilians have old admissions from Santos just like his current scams.
Oh, dear! you didn't pick up "abstentia" either? I was so sure that you would, or I wouldn't have been so crass. (Red face emoji).
I believe that means Brazil can proceed with prosecuting Santos even if he is not physically present in Brazil -- in absentia - absent.
Thanks, Cathy - that's what I understood it to mean. My little "smile" symbol wasn't big or yellow enough. I scratched around for a smiley, but it refused to be copied.
Brazil is interested in him for an alleged fraud from 2008 but until this blew up they didn't know where he was. Now they know big-time. https://www.cnn.com/2023/01/02/politics/george-santos-brazil-fraud-case/index.html
How can they have not known where he was? A google search will probably turn up my dog let alone an actual physical address. I don't think they were looking very hard because Bolsanaro was in charge.
Here's a clue: George Santos is an optometrist on Martha's Vineyard. It's not an uncommon name, and apparently he's used other names as well. I'm easy to find online because my name is unusual. When I'm fact-checking a manuscript, I *love* unusual names. (Just had to track down a John Allen who was in Congress ca. 1800. Knowing he was in Congress helped. If I had to find a contemporary John Allen without knowing much about him, it would be hard.)
Btw, the Santos case is from 2008. Bolsonaro didn't take office till 2019.
Lula back in charge now.
thanks for the info.
Has the issue of where he was born ever been made clear? Something I read earlier suggested Brazil. This makes me sound like Trump (ugh) but a serious question. Everything else he has said is a lie.
Not that I've seen. I'm not sure his citizenship has been established either. A born-in-Brazil naturalized citizen could serve in Congress. A non-citizen most definitely could not.
Maybe they will extradite him.
Hopefully!
As someone pointed out, Santos has begun his tenure with one more lie. He posted a self-congratulatory message on his website about being sworn in. Then took it down when it was publicly pointed out that NO ONE has been sworn in because there's no Speaker of the House.
And some viewers bought it ... even The Hill platform mindlessly repeated the Con. Today's House session started with a warning to the behavior of newly elected members who have NOT been sworn in ... I have to go back & listen again. UPDATE: Meanwhile, the 7th vote was 19 for Donalds, 1 for Trump (Gaetz after running in from a Fox news interview to make his vote for tfg), and 1 "present". No Kevin.
I know people are crowing about that, but OTOH it's not impossible that his webmaster posted the page in the reasonable (at the time) expectation that he would be sworn in shortly and then took it down when the clown show got under way. It's *possible* that Santos is doing his own web work, but I wouldn't assume that.
I would not assume that either, but I do believe Santos has a computer platform in his Space Coast condominium to communicate with Brazillian contacts & other Floridian & NY District marks.
Aha. 2+2.
Yes! It may take a while!
Santos is no more "bizarre" than Trump.
The Santos difference is his last name and his skin color. He is of Hispanic, not Anglo descent and his skin is dark, not white. For those two reasons, he may be in a bit of trouble with Republican Americans (but maybe not) who will NOT view him as worth supporting like they did with Trump who also lied with every breath.
If Santos was Anglo, there would not even be any news stories about him. Just a normal Republican lying at every breath like Trump.
Interesting that descendants of Southern Italians are OK, but not Hispanics. When Friedrich Drumpf decided to leave Bavaria and try the New World, thousands of Italians from the Veneto were doing likewise, but they went to Brazil instead of America - mainly to work in the coffee plantations. Among them numerous members of the Bolzonaro family - in Veneto dialect the "z" sounds like "s", so that's how they were registered. That makes him technically Italian, not Hispanic. Now, in Italy the northerners have a poor opinion of the "gente della Bassa" (anywhere south of Naples), which includes anyone whose name begins "De" and ends in "s". But time and politics heal all wounds, and the ex-President of Brazil and the hopeful-President of the USA may fall on each other's necks like brothers. We'll soon see.
Good comment! Interesting linguistic detail.
Yeah Mike. That is the way it goes. I am so proud to be made up of among other blood some of Hispanic origin. I think it hardens my edge. Let’s face it some blades dull far too soon. When you think about chance and DNA and a grandfather of long ago being found drifting off the coast of South Carolina as a 3 year old clinging alone amidst the bodies and wreckage of a Spanish galleon taken by pirates and left adrift one concludes just how breathtakingly lucky one has become as that tenuous strand is your lifeline. Throw in some scotch and some Irish whiskey along side the tequila and I would be willing to bet that is only a beginning. We are one. Although people demean others we are the humans. Demeanors come in last place in the human race.
The Republicans also got rid of Cawthorne, Mike
This is absurd.
I'm with you on the money and I can't wait to find out! I vote that it's from the Russians. They behave like Putin did when he gave trump the once over and got his number, then all he had to do was praise him to get the concessions he wanted (they're in the translator's notes that were torn up). Santos is not someone one would call smart...plus he's got some kind of mental disorder. Where else can the Russians find a better candidate to vote for their interests, such as deny funding to the Ukraine?
I would think that the constituents who voted Santos in would want to recall him in a special election? We’re not hearing anything from people in his district.
He will probably be noted in some History books and time will tell where the $$$s came from. Russia is a good guess! However, we don't really know who all is behind tfg! I wonder why he had a bank account in China? So many questions and so few answers!
Santos has one vote. Is that why the repubs who support McCarthy, and McCarthy, are looking the other way? This is typical repub strategy.
There's that, but there's also the fact that the GOP's House majority is pretty slim, and the caucus is fractured, to put it mildly. Also fractious, come to think of it. If Santos resigns or is expelled, I think there's a pretty good chance that a Democrat will win the special election to replace him. (Everyone who voted for Santos ought to be doing penance, or community service, or something.)
That's exactly why the GOP doesn't want Santos to be expelled. And BTW if it was a Democrat who lied about his background and had charges pending in Brazil, you can bet the Repubs would clammering for his removal!!
So would other Democrats.
Oh please GOD please!!
Stamps go up with month, I'd better order a bunch. If a writing campaign happens, I am so on it!!!!
That's thinking ahead! :-)
I'm real good with organization in the first week of January. After that.......
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They already have - I just searched at usps.com. 1st class Forever stamps 60 cents. Postcard Forever stamp now 44 cents.
I believe fist class is going to 63 cents near the mid month.
Thanks. Checked and verified. Apparently, I was at least one postage increase behind!
From USPS website: "Today, the United States Postal Service filed notice with the Postal Regulatory Commission (PRC) of price changes to take effect Jan. 22, 2023. The new rates include a three-cent increase in the price of a First-Class Mail Forever stamp from 60 cents to 63 cents." https://about.usps.com/newsroom/national-releases/2022/1007-usps-announces-new-prices-for-2023.htm
Herb,
I am also puzzled by the Santos story but in a different way.
I think the Santos story is BIG because he is of Latin descent, has a Hispanic last name and his skin is dark. He has the wrong last name and the wrong skin color.
Americans don't care about the lying. They care that Santos is not a white Anglo.
In 2016 a serial liar, philanderer, rapist, wife beater and well known, long time crook named Donald Trump ran for President. The vast majority of what he said on any given day was a lie.
Republican Americans coaelesced around him and spent four years either licking his shoes or rolled over on their backs as he continued to lie every day. Most days, those behaivors looked like full support for Trump.
George W. Bush also told huge lies: Remember weapons of mass destruction? Nothing happened to him and Americans died for that lie.
Daddy Bush I also lied. Remember Willie Horton? That was a huge lie.
Reagan lied constantly as well and I will enumerate two of them: 1) There was a black woman in Chicago with 15 addressesses collecting 15 welfare checks and 2) "I did not sell weapons to Iran the then send the money to a bloodthirsty dictatorship in Latin America".
So, since most Republicans lie constantly and have since Ronald Reagan, I think the Santos story is "big" NOT because he also lied.
Again, I think the Santos story is BIG because he is of Latin descent, has a Hispanic last name and his skin is dark. He has the wrong last name and the wrong skin color.
Americans don't care about the lying. They care that Santos is not a white Anglo.
Republicans lie, patriotic citizens die.
Democrats lie, impeachment results.
"I did not have sex with that woman"
"Depends on what the definition of is is"
Bill Clinton's serial philandering, including forcing himself on a young girl in the OVAL OFFICE, and the fact that Democrats did not convict him in his Impeachment trial was the platform that Republicans used to acquit Trump for lying and being nasty dude.
Clinton's serial phliandering and Hillary's support for that cost her the White House.
WORSE, if Bill Clinton had managed to keep his pants on in the Oval Office Al Gore would have won and there would never have been 20 years of shoot em up in Afghanistan and Iraq.
Bill Clinton was just one rolling disaster. Now we find out he was in routine attendance with Jeffrey Epstein.
Bill Clinton was just a low life liar as well.
At least he knew how to run a government.
Yup, and a very talented straight-laced liar. I wouldn't want to be sitting across a poker table from Bill.
I voted for him twice because he was way better than the GOP (or third party) alternatives.
She never said he forced himself on her…EVER.
Last time I looked, philandering is not against the law.
A good share of powerful men can’t keep it in their pants.
Just another reason in a list of many to put more women into office. We take care of business‼️
Women flirt and start stuff also. But I agree that he didn't force himself on her. It would have been a whole another ballgame !
Monica has stated she was in love with him, she did what she did willingly. While I would wish every president had a sterling character, IMO, what Bush did, sending our military off to fight unjust wars and millions of people either killed or displaced, much more egregious.
No, I don't believe there was any force exerted on his or her part. Both of them knew what they wanted from their relationship from the start. Bill underestimated Monica. And, no matter how many times Bill swore to people ("I did not have sex with that woman, Miss Lewinsky"), he still got caught by the infamous blue dress. Bill approached his friend Vernon Jordan (who was on the Revlon board of directors) to get Monica a job as an administrative assistant at Revlon. Later, when I read that, I laughed out loud. Did Bill really believe Monica would settle for being an admin. asst. at Revlon in New York? I thought, "Buddy, Monica's got a lot bigger plans than that." Monica made some $$$ on the whole escapade (e.g., paid TV interviews, product ensorsements, a book, et al). I've wondered a few times in the past years if Monica and Bill were still "dating."
I think Linda Tripp showed Monica 'which way to go' ?
I agree with you that every lowlife who participates or turns a blind eye to sexual abuse of minors should be jailed for the rest of their lives. New revelations about Clinton visiting Epstein’s perverted world should probably land him in jail. But by that reasoning, Trump should also go to jail for whatever he got out of his much longer and more open association with Epstein, don’t you think? And if we follow your logic, Matt Gaetz and Jim Jordan should also be in jail for their openly discussed but for some reason ignored proclivities, shouldn’t they? Also the rumors about McCathy’s sexual activities should be brought out in the open and investigated. Do you think that every Republican Congresswoman who allegedly participated in these alleged activities should be booted out of office? Should McCarthy? And, if they turn out to be false, the people propagating that set of lies need to be found and prosecuted for slander and defamation, yes? Why trot out old news, if,if, if, when your complaining conveniently focuses blame on Democrats and distracts from currently on-going potentially illegal behavior that demonstrates bad judgement, moral depravity and lack of self-control in the Republican ranks? Long ago, while Clinton was campaigning for his first term as President, I happened to meet a lovely older woman who had worked for the State Department for many years. She was appalled that Clinton was running, and probably going to win. She told me that his “inability to keep it in his pants “ was well known and made him a security risk. Clearly Trump is much more of an ongoing security risk, than Clinton. Please let’s talk about current events, here.
Meredith,
As I have already said here ad nauseum: Rich whte men in America do not go to jail.
Period.
Madoff and Epstein did end up in prison. Maybe because they were Jewish?
Unfortunately, very true!!
Hope AND Pray 2023 is Better!!!
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Truth.
And Meredith - thats what the REqubs are saying right now - talk about "current" events!!!
Lets face it Clinton is & was a really great bullshitter who knew how government worked.
Trump was not & did not!!! Hopefully some day he also will not be "current events".
Yeah but the “current events” the Repubs want to talk about is one of Biden’s kid’s computer. I am far more interested in what’s on Trump’s kids’ computers. And Ginnie Thomas’ computers. Oh well.
You should listen to the Linda Tripp tapes. They still exist. Monica Lewinsky was literally besotted with Clinton and perceived herself as wife number 2 ala Libby Dole. Lewinsky stalked the president. Staff repeatedly tried to reasign the intern, who, by the way was in her 20s. Not a kid. That famous photograph of her along a fence happened because she got to the event 3 hours early and positioned herself front and center.
Didn't know all that !
I don't think he forced himself on her. I'm sure she would have said so. That being said, I wish he had been able to control himself. He was one of the best presidents - period !
Well said. I voted for Bill C. twice, but his endless skirt-chasing and lying did cost the dem. party the WH (as you wrote) which subsequently put the U.S. in more useless wars, draining the U.S. Treasury and putting the blood of so many soldiers and civilians on U.S. hands. And the beat goes on....
Trump(s), Clinton(s), and Jeffrey Epstein represent the three sides of a power triangle ruling the U.S., a demoralizing triad who fule the nation's [and often the world's] present and future. Why can't we get honest, upfront people to run the U.S. government?
With all the factors weighing people down these days, I find a touch of political humor to be very good medicine. This moment in the trump-hillary "debates" is very therapeutic. I give thanks to the Dane(?) who made this gift for us all. Genius. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8Wde1fFvPg
Ha ! Ha ! F.A.S. !
Last time I checked, is still alive.
Possibly, but I think Zeeshan Aleem of MSNBC has a better take on it: Republicans in particular are uneasy with Santos's lying in a way that they aren't with the lies and distortions that are endemic on the right because Trump et al.'s lies pander to the Republican base while Santos's lies are entirely about himself.
https://www.msnbc.com/opinion/msnbc-opinion/george-santos-lies-republicans-rcna63730
Mike S, your Reagan and Bush 1 & 2 examples would seem to support Aleem's thesis. However, you might want to take another look at your claim that "Americans don't care about the lying. They care that Santos is not a white Anglo." (1) "Americans" is a huge and diverse group. Are you really talking about *all* Americans? Could we maybe have some evidence, or at least a coherent argument? (2) I'm 71 years old, I've been paying attention to politics since I was in my mid-teens, and I haven't seen anything like this. That's one reason I'm paying attention to this story. Another reason is that I want to know why this didn't become national news till after the election.
Totally disagree Mike...Santos belongs to the pathological liars club, period!
I don't know where I saw it, I think perhaps on "Beau of the Fifth Column" youtube but I could be mistaken, but wherever it was the line was "the Republicans don't care that he lied, they care that he got caught"
Happy New Year, Mike S. I've scrolled down and seen a couple of your comments and you are hot out of the gates this year, as one of the other commenters frequently notes; "sizzling". Indeed!
See the Zeeshan Aleem link I posted just above. He suggests that the difference between Santos and the other mendacious Republicans is the kind of lies they tell: most Republicans lie to whip up and/or please their base, but Santos's lies were all about himself. I'm inclined to agree.
Agreed!!
I wouldn't go that far about his race- he looks White enough. Supremacists will use a monkey if it does what it's told.
Mike, I never even gave his heritage a thought. You are right about the bipartisan lies that have been spread through the years by both sides. Santos' victory was also the result of the courts throwing out the redistricting plan that the NY legislature passed. Finally, you have to consider the Hispanic shift to the GOP over the past two election cycles.
In short, they both lie, but the Republicans do a better job of it.
Again, absurd.
Republicans supported Herschel Walker, a man with multiple personality disorder and a long record of domestic violence so yeah, they have no standards.
K With Walker and Santos, the Republicans have standards that reflect Jobba the Hutt and Newt Gingrich. It feels like going from a. Lincoln to a Yugo [voted absolutely worst post-WW II auto.]
But at least some of them are showing some ambivalence about Santos that they didn't about Walker. Some of that public ambivalence is coming from Republicans on Long Island and around NYC: they *know* this isn't going to play well in their neighborhood.
He is likely not a US citizen (his claim to have been born in the US is specious as he now admits he was born in Brazil; naturalization papers are public--but require FOIA requests--so the NYT is trying to figure it out), so has now very possibly committed multiple felonies in addition to the usual grift. It'll be super interesting if there's a temporary appointment by the governor in the 3rd District.
Linda Santos has so many aliases and falsifications that he may be a stateless person. How delightful if it could be established that he is not an American citizen. Then we could ship our Republican trash abroad.
Or just throw him overboard and be done with it.
I am very curious about this, and I won't believe anything he says unless he's got papers to prove it.
Herb Isn’t Santos the Poster Boy of Trumpian ethics? He scores a perfect ten regarding false credentials, phony finances, his ‘Jewish Catholicism,’ and an imaginary entrepreneurial career that echoes Trump. Of course he will be seated. How could the Republicans reject one of their own?
They must consider him to be a genius.
David If Trump was a ‘stable genius,’ does this make Santos an ‘unstable genius?’
No, just a "stable genius of a lesser sort" if we rate genial lying by how it is leveraged to achieve undeserved power. I think Santos may never be seated, but he'll have some funny stories for his grandchildren if he ever has any. A "where is he now?" story in the making.
Question??? Where were the investigative reporters when this guy Santos was running?Why has all this stuff come out after he was elected? Did I miss something?
He was in a Jewish district claiming to be Jewish so he passed the main "acceptability" criterion. Nobody asked any other question after the main question was "settled".
Mike I thought that he was a ‘Jewish Catholic,’ and now find that he is a gay Latino with Trump’s entrepreneurial integrity.
There was one paper that wrote about his questionable resume & refused to endorse him. The very right wing Long Island Leader. Tiny paper with part time staff. The readership is Fox- friendly so no one wanted to “out” him.
I say, let them keep doing what they are doing. This will let the fence sitters, see the far right for what they are.
Why didn't the Democrats know about all this before the election? Or if they did know why didn't they do a loud, Republicanesque campaign about it? It seems they were so sure their candidate would win that, in thier arrogant minds, there was no need to look into or publicize this shyster's background.
Actually the Democrat opponent did bring some of this up and was called a liar for telling just some of the truth.
As did a local journal. But it didn't gain traction in the national press. They were too busy watching polling to due the work necessary in following a lead.
I guess the truth didn't get any traction at the time.
Well, that works pretty well. Just ask Trump, the master of projection.
If he were a Republican there would have been a massive press campaign about it. Perhaps he mentioned it and then let it go?
Barney I’ve asked the same question about Democratic opposition research and the media. I found that a local newspaper last September published some of Santos’s fabrications with no apparent impact. (Santos also was a failed congressional candidate in 2020).
As a former Foreign Service Officer Political Officer and a successful local political candidate for municipal council I am gobsmacked that Santos’s fabrications went unnoticed, even by his Republican supporters.
Clearly Santos is a prime candidate for the House Ethics Committee, unless he is criminally apprehended.
You mean you think he'll be interrogated by the Ethics Committee? I wish!
More likely he'll be asked to become a member of the committee.
David Santos qualifies as a member of the degutted House Ethics Committee. As a ‘Jewish Catholic,’ he should seek guidance from the ethics committee of the Vatican and the Haridim.
Yes, let's blame the Democrats for a Republican fraudster! One more joker in a GOP deck of more than 400. Collect 'em all!
Richard I acknowledge that the Democrats failed to do rigorous opposition research on George Santos’s ‘resume.’ Perhaps, naively, they could not imagine such humongous falsehoods.
When President Biden kept warning that Putin was going to invade sovereign Ukraine, many, including President Zelensky, could not believe that Putin would do something so outrageous.
As P. T. Barnum phrased it “You can fool some of the people all of the time, you can fool all of the people some of the time, BUT you can’t fool all of the people all of the time.”
Trumpublicans and Putin take note!
His Democratic opponent was lacking here. All that mess should have come out DURING the campaign !
It did. Please be sure to read the whole story.
Santos is the latest step in the evolution of the politics of T****. Lies and more lies, bigger and better. If we don’t see prosecution of the men in suits, and soon, this is where we are headed.
Jack I didn’t think it possible, but George Santos has out-Trumped Trump in falsehoods and venality. I am awaiting Santos’s book THE ART OF THE SCHLEMIEL.
My nickname for Santos is supertrump. Also, why did it take so long to find out that almost everything he said was a lie? Where were the journalists?
Completely agree Jack
Just wait until after Brazil indicts him for theft....
Exactly. They are spineless and beyond power hungry at all costs.
90% of them - yes !
Perhaps because they're all shysters?