Yesterday was not a bad day for those of us that had no expectation that Sinema, Manchin, and any other Democrats hiding behind them, would agree to changes or removal of the filibuster. The Democrats have not been good at dealing with the enemy for a long time and taking up the national voting rights legislation NOW! Who got the jump o…
Yesterday was not a bad day for those of us that had no expectation that Sinema, Manchin, and any other Democrats hiding behind them, would agree to changes or removal of the filibuster. The Democrats have not been good at dealing with the enemy for a long time and taking up the national voting rights legislation NOW! Who got the jump on the crucial feature of Democracy - free and fair elections?
Most importantly, the Department of Justice indicted 11 Oath Keepers for seditious conspiracy and other charges. It is a paramilitary organization, which recruits people who have served in the military, law enforcement and as first responders. The Department of Justice is at the wheel and its foot on the gas pedal. Going up the ladder or a few more tiers and the charge will be one of treason. DOJ is GOING TO THE HEART OF THE COUP D'ETAT. The U.S. House Select Committee to Investigate the January 6th attack on the Capitol is doing a sensational job, and the wheels of justice are moving. Yesterday was a good day, and as long as those wheels of justice keep moving there will be more good days ahead.
P.S. There has got to be payback to Sinema for delivering her coup de grace right before President Biden was to speak. That was low.
There are three major Democratic Donors (all women) who are so pissed at Sinema they are going to start a long term negative-ad campaign against her and recruit an opponent to knock her off in the 2024 primary (if she hasn't switched parties by then).
The rest of what I have to say about that Green traitor (you can NEVER trust a Green to be anything else) has to be filed under "If my thoughts and dreams could be seen/they'd probably put my head in a guillotine."
Ms. Enema is horrible and will be a one-term candidate. She betrayed the progressives she was supposed to help represent by taking up with the enemy. I will not cry when she is ousted.
Here is a question: Could Schumer punish Manchenema by not letting them serve on any committees? Would that be too dangerous? I just think they have to be curbed somehow.
I don’t think she’s smart enough to be a mole. She must have been feeling terribly left out with all of the attention on Manchin. Every time I see her she reminds me of a me too, never an original thought, so she took the opportunity yesterday to stick a knife 🔪 in the president, being clueless as to what she was doing and looking for a moment of fame. Timing is everything and her timing for the good of this nation couldn’t have been worse. Insipid!
Unfortunately, Sinema’s speech was well crafted and sounded like a reasonable call to “end the disease of division” to those not aware of the danger. She gives cover to Republican obstruction.
And yes Fern, her preemptive speech before Biden’s was an insult. She and Manchin are true saboteurs.
We keep hearing suggestions that the only reason Democrats like Manchin and Sinema are refusing to help eliminate the filibuster is that they are beholden to special interests from whom they benefit economically. In fact, a lot has already been written about Manchin's (understandable) connection to Big Coal, and it appears the corruption includes members of his family, but what is the hard proof of that? Is there nothing that might be begging for investigation by the Justice Department?
And what about Sinema? On the front page of today's (14 Jan) digital NYT, I read this:
"WASHINGTON — President Biden’s campaign to push new voting rights protections through Congress appeared all but dead on Thursday, after it became clear that he had failed to unite his own party behind his drive to overhaul Senate rules to enact the legislation over Republican opposition.
In an embarrassing setback for Mr. Biden, Senator Kyrsten Sinema, Democrat of Arizona, stunned her colleagues just hours before the president was slated to make his case to them in person at the Capitol by taking the Senate floor to declare that she would not support undermining the filibuster to pass legislation under any circumstances."
I mean, is she just a MAGAmoron who has managed to infiltrate Democratic Party? How did she get the DEM nomination in AZ? Was her position in any way foreseeable? Why would a so-called "free spirit" want anything to do with a GOP all walking in Fascistoid lockstep? It seems to me we must assume the worst and that she has been bought and paid for. But by whom? Names, dates, and numbers are needed. Have I just missed it?
She was running against Karen Fann, a huge cult Republican, who is president of AZ senate currently and was Republican Party of AZ leader. So Democrats were happy to get her to keep Senate Democratic......same as Manchin. Change in attitude towards her now but AZ Democrats need a good opposition candidate.
Says it all. I wonder if she has a clue that she's a national embarrassment and destined to occupy U.S. history's hall of shame. Probably not. Acute self-absorption is a blinding force.
Damn, Fern! Between you and HCR I can rest assured that the arc of justice is moving. Frankly, I think Sinema has a DSM diagnosis: Borderline Personality Disorder, Narcissism, and possibly Bipolar Disorder. And also accepting bribes disorder.
Terribly British and all that...;stiff upper lip and all! What Manchenema needs is a metaphorical knife in the guts. A Corleone proposition "that they can't refuse".....but that's not "nice", is it?
The distinction is perhaps a little too subtle for the Manchenema brigade to comprehend and unfortunately assumes they are sincere and not just blocking for the Republicans sake. Morning Lynell.
I bow to your superior knowledge of military organizations, Fern, but currently Mancheenema have the metaphorical tanks and they are blasting Biden out of the water while making him look weak and unproductive to the voting population. I come back to Stalin's supposed quote "How many divisions has the Pope got?....and Jean Paul 11 saw off the Iron Curtain and the USSR.
No thanks, Fern, we have enough idiots of our own. She might feel at home with many of our "greenish" loonytunes but they are more interested in killing each other for ideological purity than in fighting the good fight to win.
Roger Stone should be terrified, he recruited the Oath Keepers who were there supposedly to protect him but somehow ended up in an insurrection that resembled Stone's Brooks Brothers Riot. I believe a snippet of convo between Stone and Rhodes on Jan. 6th included Rhodes asking .."so are we doing this?" and Stone replying in the affirmative.
I hope his arrogant A$$ gets everything it deserves, such as a prison sentence for life. Alpha maleness is insidious right now...worldwide. No scruples, no compassion, just money, fun ,and games regardless of the suffering of others.
Fern I recall someone speaking of folks having their “15 minutes of glory.” Sinema, who identifies herself as “bisexual and bipartisan,’ has morphed from being a Green supporter of Ralph Nader in 2000 to being a well-frocked loose cannon today. Whatever else occurs, she will become a political footnote before she reaches 50. If her senseless obstructionism contributes to a McConnell Senate in 2023, she will be in a political wasteland. By the 2024 senatorial election, even in Arizona she will be discarded. A psychiatrist would have a full-time challenge with this bright (PhD) but not intelligent butterfly. (Check the Spanish word—mariposa).
Ralph helped give us W, Sinema a Trojan horse - goal to screw Dems again. She is in my sights, and not in a good way. Joe B - They are not your “friends.” Get real
Jeri, I believe that Ralph Nader's contributions to the health and welfare of the USA earned him enduring respect from many Americans. We would have been better off had we adopted more of his positions.
'Ralph Nader American political activist, author, and attorney noted for his involvement in consumer protection, environmentalism, and government reform.
'Nader was first propelled into the national spotlight with the 1965 publication of his journalistic exposé Unsafe at Any Speed. Though he had previously expressed an interest in issues of automobile safety while a law student, Unsafe at Any Speed presented a critical dissection of the automotive industry by claiming that many American automobiles were generally unsafe to operate. Nader researched case files from more than 100 lawsuits then pending against General Motors' Chevrolet Corvair to support his assertions.[15]'
'In the 1970s, Nader turned his attention to environmental activism, becoming a key leader in the antinuclear power movement, described by one observer as the "titular head of opposition to nuclear energy".[26][27] The Critical Mass Energy Project was formed by Nader in 1974 as a national anti-nuclear umbrella group, growing to become the largest national anti-nuclear group in the United States, with several hundred local affiliates and an estimated 200,000 supporters.[28] The organization's main efforts were directed at lobbying activities and providing local groups with scientific and other resources to campaign against nuclear power.[29][30]'
'Throughout the 1970s and 1980s, through his ongoing work with Public Citizen, Nader continued to be involved in issues of consumer rights and public accountability. His work testifying before Congress, drafting model legislation, and organizing citizen letter-writing and protest efforts, earned him direct credit for the enactment of the Freedom of Information Act, Foreign Corrupt Practices Act, Clean Water Act, Consumer Product Safety Act, and Whistleblower Protection Act.' (Wikipedia)
100% true and admirable. In fact, I was a big fan, and he expressed my views better than anyone, back in the day when the environment, wildlife protections, and the nuclear threat were my biggest concerns. Not our very survival from a political party gone rogue. His giant ego helped with this in my humble opinion. W/Dickie should have been squashed like bugs.
To go up the ladder, you eventually end up with the defeated former president. Back in 1807, Aaron Burr, a former vice-president escaped conviction for treason because the plans he was making with his foot soldiers, similar to the Oathkeepers, were just plans and contrary to what happened on January 6, 2021, were never put into action. Chief Justice Marshall did not consider conspiracy without actions sufficient for conviction. But on January 6, there were actions. And any one of those refusing to appear before the House committee, if speaking under oath where they might tell what they know, can tie those actions to the defeated former president. That's why they won't show up.
Jack Chief Justice Marshall, in his circuit court capacity, was trying Aaron Burr for treason. Marshall loathed President Jefferson (for whom Burr was a bete noir) and was a friend of Alexander Hamilton, who Burr had killed in a duel. Marshall, in Marburv Madison, used convoluted judicial interpretation. Whatever his thinking, Marshall acquitted Burr of treason because, in accordance with the Constitution, there were not at least two witnesses of this act.
I saw (for the first time ever) KS speaking and she was wearing a cross around her neck. Has she always been religious? She was talking about wanting to stop divisiveness. But she doesn't apparently want to acknowledge where it's coming from.
After Simena's preemptive strike on President Biden's effort to reform Senate rules and pass the critical voting rights legislation, I found myself reminding myself that we have to views of government, progressive and conservative, at play. That we have two parties, Democrats and Republicans, hides that reality. Sadly for my party, the conservatives within don't incite progressives across parties to move together toward their common progressive agenda forward. Our traditional congressional seating charts don't help either.
Yesterday was not a bad day for those of us that had no expectation that Sinema, Manchin, and any other Democrats hiding behind them, would agree to changes or removal of the filibuster. The Democrats have not been good at dealing with the enemy for a long time and taking up the national voting rights legislation NOW! Who got the jump on the crucial feature of Democracy - free and fair elections?
Most importantly, the Department of Justice indicted 11 Oath Keepers for seditious conspiracy and other charges. It is a paramilitary organization, which recruits people who have served in the military, law enforcement and as first responders. The Department of Justice is at the wheel and its foot on the gas pedal. Going up the ladder or a few more tiers and the charge will be one of treason. DOJ is GOING TO THE HEART OF THE COUP D'ETAT. The U.S. House Select Committee to Investigate the January 6th attack on the Capitol is doing a sensational job, and the wheels of justice are moving. Yesterday was a good day, and as long as those wheels of justice keep moving there will be more good days ahead.
P.S. There has got to be payback to Sinema for delivering her coup de grace right before President Biden was to speak. That was low.
There are three major Democratic Donors (all women) who are so pissed at Sinema they are going to start a long term negative-ad campaign against her and recruit an opponent to knock her off in the 2024 primary (if she hasn't switched parties by then).
The rest of what I have to say about that Green traitor (you can NEVER trust a Green to be anything else) has to be filed under "If my thoughts and dreams could be seen/they'd probably put my head in a guillotine."
Ms. Enema is horrible and will be a one-term candidate. She betrayed the progressives she was supposed to help represent by taking up with the enemy. I will not cry when she is ousted.
Here is a question: Could Schumer punish Manchenema by not letting them serve on any committees? Would that be too dangerous? I just think they have to be curbed somehow.
That moniker for the "senator" from Arizona tickles my junior high humor.
And Senators Manchenema!
I thought Don Quixote already represented La Mancha in the Senate.
I like your moniker for her!
Me too!
Shine on, Marlene!
Unfortunately, "can't live with 'em, can't kill 'em." Do that and they become independent and caucus with Mitch.
😃🙂🙃😃
TC, name names. Better than 3, there looks to be organized moneyed groups:
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/elections/could-sen-kyrsten-sinema-face-primary-these-progressives-are-trying-n1280392
That came from an article in Puck News - Teddy Schlieffer knows who is who but he said he wasn't mentioning names and hasn't.
Okay, that's something, TC, but not ENOUGH!
Re-read the additional. :-)
What a delight!
If you want more of TC’s sizzlin’ comments on this topic, see his essay on Substack today. Especially if you feel the need to spit on Sen Sinema’s fan club. The one in Russia. https://tcinla757.substack.com/p/god-damn-kyrsten-sinema-all-to-hell?r=l2aa7&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web&utm_source=direct.
Can't go to jail for thinking. I hope
She is as low as any “republican.” And she is deliberate. A mole it seems
I don’t think she’s smart enough to be a mole. She must have been feeling terribly left out with all of the attention on Manchin. Every time I see her she reminds me of a me too, never an original thought, so she took the opportunity yesterday to stick a knife 🔪 in the president, being clueless as to what she was doing and looking for a moment of fame. Timing is everything and her timing for the good of this nation couldn’t have been worse. Insipid!
I think her timing is determined by when the checks cash.
Better off playing poker with them first. Gives you the lay of their hand.
I'm sure that she is "owned". I doubt she has the ability to be a good mole.
Unfortunately, Sinema’s speech was well crafted and sounded like a reasonable call to “end the disease of division” to those not aware of the danger. She gives cover to Republican obstruction.
And yes Fern, her preemptive speech before Biden’s was an insult. She and Manchin are true saboteurs.
Sinema's hypocrisy, while not at the level of Mitch McConnell's, was on full display. https://twitter.com/Lawrence/status/1481688417293398017?s=20
Were the tears an act? I don’t understand the crying. One could imagine she had a gun to her head? What the heck?
Tears FOR the Dems….$$$ FROM the Repubs…look at her donors
Her words didn’t seem like she was feeling any “tears” for the Dems to me though? I thought I was hearing GOP talking points thru and thru?
Exactly, they were crocodile tears..
We keep hearing suggestions that the only reason Democrats like Manchin and Sinema are refusing to help eliminate the filibuster is that they are beholden to special interests from whom they benefit economically. In fact, a lot has already been written about Manchin's (understandable) connection to Big Coal, and it appears the corruption includes members of his family, but what is the hard proof of that? Is there nothing that might be begging for investigation by the Justice Department?
And what about Sinema? On the front page of today's (14 Jan) digital NYT, I read this:
"WASHINGTON — President Biden’s campaign to push new voting rights protections through Congress appeared all but dead on Thursday, after it became clear that he had failed to unite his own party behind his drive to overhaul Senate rules to enact the legislation over Republican opposition.
In an embarrassing setback for Mr. Biden, Senator Kyrsten Sinema, Democrat of Arizona, stunned her colleagues just hours before the president was slated to make his case to them in person at the Capitol by taking the Senate floor to declare that she would not support undermining the filibuster to pass legislation under any circumstances."
I mean, is she just a MAGAmoron who has managed to infiltrate Democratic Party? How did she get the DEM nomination in AZ? Was her position in any way foreseeable? Why would a so-called "free spirit" want anything to do with a GOP all walking in Fascistoid lockstep? It seems to me we must assume the worst and that she has been bought and paid for. But by whom? Names, dates, and numbers are needed. Have I just missed it?
her financial worth has risen dramatically since winning election and now her greatest fund raisers are republican donors.
🤬🤬🤬
She was running against Karen Fann, a huge cult Republican, who is president of AZ senate currently and was Republican Party of AZ leader. So Democrats were happy to get her to keep Senate Democratic......same as Manchin. Change in attitude towards her now but AZ Democrats need a good opposition candidate.
Video of her from 2010 flopping the other direction. https://briantylercohen.com/videos/
And this is beyond disgusting. It’s like she crapped all over something sacred to me. She really is despicable. https://mobile.twitter.com/SenatorSinema/status/1284497057365950464
Interesting... but why? Who is pulling her strings and what's in it for her?
YUP.
Here's TCinLA's take on Sinema from his Substack piece, "Another Fine Mess.": 1-13-22
https://tcinla757.substack.com/p/god-damn-kyrsten-sinema-all-to-hell?r=7ygy0&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email
https://www.opensecrets.org/members-of-congress/kyrsten-sinema/summary?cid=N00033983
Welsh, Carson et al….donates to National Repub Senatorial Comm,McConnell +++
Another source about her donors: https://www.forbes.com/sites/michelatindera/2021/12/07/more-than-50-billionaires-including-a-couple-of-trump-supporters-have-donated-to-senator-kyrsten-sinema/?sh=5348281c3a4d
Sinema:
https://mobile.twitter.com/goRubenRuben/status/1481783205237706752/photo/1
Says it all. I wonder if she has a clue that she's a national embarrassment and destined to occupy U.S. history's hall of shame. Probably not. Acute self-absorption is a blinding force.
Michael, ii found this interesting about her. First thing I’ve read that makes sense to me. https://mobile.twitter.com/Amy_Siskind/status/1481731676669632516
a source about the Sinema antidote:
https://www.primarysinema.com/
Damn, Fern! Between you and HCR I can rest assured that the arc of justice is moving. Frankly, I think Sinema has a DSM diagnosis: Borderline Personality Disorder, Narcissism, and possibly Bipolar Disorder. And also accepting bribes disorder.
Definately ABD. Gotta add "Accepting Bribes Disorder to the DSM-5!!
Get me past the idea of reviving the talking filibuster. In my mind, it doesn't change or remove it, but returns it to its original form.
Watch out for the green snakes who had a 'frank and full' conversation with Biden before Sinema beat him out.
I'm raising a glass of wine to Biden for his courage in the face of betrayal.
Terribly British and all that...;stiff upper lip and all! What Manchenema needs is a metaphorical knife in the guts. A Corleone proposition "that they can't refuse".....but that's not "nice", is it?
It has a cutting edge to it.
HA!
It may not be nice but it sure would be sweet.
But needed
🙂🙃😃😜
My Biden/Harris coffee mug is on overtime, kim!
For sure, Fern!
The distinction is perhaps a little too subtle for the Manchenema brigade to comprehend and unfortunately assumes they are sincere and not just blocking for the Republicans sake. Morning Lynell.
Sincere, surely you jest
Is it possible? Perhaps😂
What are you talking about, Stuart? There cannot be 3,000 to 5,000 'Manchenemas'! Where did you see them?
I bow to your superior knowledge of military organizations, Fern, but currently Mancheenema have the metaphorical tanks and they are blasting Biden out of the water while making him look weak and unproductive to the voting population. I come back to Stalin's supposed quote "How many divisions has the Pope got?....and Jean Paul 11 saw off the Iron Curtain and the USSR.
With a simple phrase. Without mentioning the USSR he said to a large gathering at an outdoor mass, “Do not be afraid.”
Don't Look Up
Stuart, Sinema is going to be blast out of her seat and land in your lap.
No thanks, Fern, we have enough idiots of our own. She might feel at home with many of our "greenish" loonytunes but they are more interested in killing each other for ideological purity than in fighting the good fight to win.
Yes they are, with deliberation and malice. Trojan Horses from the git go. And Joe still calls them friends???
He's known and "worked with" the front legs of the horse for a very long time.
I am so naive. Morning, Stuart.
ah Lynell, the ways of the world are often a little devious. A reading of Macchiaveli and Klauswitz is never superfluous.
Roger Stone should be terrified, he recruited the Oath Keepers who were there supposedly to protect him but somehow ended up in an insurrection that resembled Stone's Brooks Brothers Riot. I believe a snippet of convo between Stone and Rhodes on Jan. 6th included Rhodes asking .."so are we doing this?" and Stone replying in the affirmative.
I hope his arrogant A$$ gets everything it deserves, such as a prison sentence for life. Alpha maleness is insidious right now...worldwide. No scruples, no compassion, just money, fun ,and games regardless of the suffering of others.
you are so right on, as usual, dear Fern!
Great to see you, Kim. Of course, I'm going say, 'go to sleep'. without sleep and you still shine!
May I just say that you are wondrous, sleep or not...and I'm on pacific time and you are three hours away.
"There has got to be payback to Sinema"....
Well put Fern. Yes there should be.
Payback to Sinema, and money talks:
https://www.primarysinema.com/
Focus of my donations
Fern I recall someone speaking of folks having their “15 minutes of glory.” Sinema, who identifies herself as “bisexual and bipartisan,’ has morphed from being a Green supporter of Ralph Nader in 2000 to being a well-frocked loose cannon today. Whatever else occurs, she will become a political footnote before she reaches 50. If her senseless obstructionism contributes to a McConnell Senate in 2023, she will be in a political wasteland. By the 2024 senatorial election, even in Arizona she will be discarded. A psychiatrist would have a full-time challenge with this bright (PhD) but not intelligent butterfly. (Check the Spanish word—mariposa).
Nice, Keith! "Well-frocked loose cannon". Kyrsten Sinema in a NUTshell.
Ralph helped give us W, Sinema a Trojan horse - goal to screw Dems again. She is in my sights, and not in a good way. Joe B - They are not your “friends.” Get real
Jeri, I believe that Ralph Nader's contributions to the health and welfare of the USA earned him enduring respect from many Americans. We would have been better off had we adopted more of his positions.
'Ralph Nader American political activist, author, and attorney noted for his involvement in consumer protection, environmentalism, and government reform.
'Nader was first propelled into the national spotlight with the 1965 publication of his journalistic exposé Unsafe at Any Speed. Though he had previously expressed an interest in issues of automobile safety while a law student, Unsafe at Any Speed presented a critical dissection of the automotive industry by claiming that many American automobiles were generally unsafe to operate. Nader researched case files from more than 100 lawsuits then pending against General Motors' Chevrolet Corvair to support his assertions.[15]'
'In the 1970s, Nader turned his attention to environmental activism, becoming a key leader in the antinuclear power movement, described by one observer as the "titular head of opposition to nuclear energy".[26][27] The Critical Mass Energy Project was formed by Nader in 1974 as a national anti-nuclear umbrella group, growing to become the largest national anti-nuclear group in the United States, with several hundred local affiliates and an estimated 200,000 supporters.[28] The organization's main efforts were directed at lobbying activities and providing local groups with scientific and other resources to campaign against nuclear power.[29][30]'
'Throughout the 1970s and 1980s, through his ongoing work with Public Citizen, Nader continued to be involved in issues of consumer rights and public accountability. His work testifying before Congress, drafting model legislation, and organizing citizen letter-writing and protest efforts, earned him direct credit for the enactment of the Freedom of Information Act, Foreign Corrupt Practices Act, Clean Water Act, Consumer Product Safety Act, and Whistleblower Protection Act.' (Wikipedia)
100% true and admirable. In fact, I was a big fan, and he expressed my views better than anyone, back in the day when the environment, wildlife protections, and the nuclear threat were my biggest concerns. Not our very survival from a political party gone rogue. His giant ego helped with this in my humble opinion. W/Dickie should have been squashed like bugs.
Keith, I prefer the word 'piñata' for her before she turns into a footnote. Piñatas Sinema for Christmas! What say you?
To go up the ladder, you eventually end up with the defeated former president. Back in 1807, Aaron Burr, a former vice-president escaped conviction for treason because the plans he was making with his foot soldiers, similar to the Oathkeepers, were just plans and contrary to what happened on January 6, 2021, were never put into action. Chief Justice Marshall did not consider conspiracy without actions sufficient for conviction. But on January 6, there were actions. And any one of those refusing to appear before the House committee, if speaking under oath where they might tell what they know, can tie those actions to the defeated former president. That's why they won't show up.
Jack Chief Justice Marshall, in his circuit court capacity, was trying Aaron Burr for treason. Marshall loathed President Jefferson (for whom Burr was a bete noir) and was a friend of Alexander Hamilton, who Burr had killed in a duel. Marshall, in Marburv Madison, used convoluted judicial interpretation. Whatever his thinking, Marshall acquitted Burr of treason because, in accordance with the Constitution, there were not at least two witnesses of this act.
I saw (for the first time ever) KS speaking and she was wearing a cross around her neck. Has she always been religious? She was talking about wanting to stop divisiveness. But she doesn't apparently want to acknowledge where it's coming from.
Costume jewelry for Sinema. I’d like 5 minutes with her. Puta.
https://twitter.com/StevenBeschloss/status/1481862115933650946?s=20
Right on, dear Fern! We cannot, must not, stop believing and doing whatever we can!!
Agree 1000% about the DOJ. That in itself will be payback. As far as Sinema? I hope the Select Committee finds something to ask her to come testify.
After Simena's preemptive strike on President Biden's effort to reform Senate rules and pass the critical voting rights legislation, I found myself reminding myself that we have to views of government, progressive and conservative, at play. That we have two parties, Democrats and Republicans, hides that reality. Sadly for my party, the conservatives within don't incite progressives across parties to move together toward their common progressive agenda forward. Our traditional congressional seating charts don't help either.
Morning Fern. I, too, though yesterday a win for the Good Guys.