Seems to me that we've been under minority rule for the better part of the last 30 years. There are numerous issues that are popular with the public but that Republicans refuse to consider — gun control, minimum wage, ending citizens united, decriminalizing drugs, etc.
Seems to me that we've been under minority rule for the better part of the last 30 years. There are numerous issues that are popular with the public but that Republicans refuse to consider — gun control, minimum wage, ending citizens united, decriminalizing drugs, etc.
Yes. My FIL, as wonderful man as was, drilled in my head for years that available land will only be for so long. Dirt = $$. Buy land. Buy property. Real estate.
Right one of my exes was a shining example of that philosophy but think of that poor Vermont community that thought they at least had a quiet rural habitat and some white militia type bought a huge chunk of that land to use to train the militias—and his property rights are up against their right —he dares them to challenge him. I hope the Nytimes continues to follow this story.
It's painfully clear that Daniel Banyai, owner of Slate Ridge, the organization in question, is operating outside of the law. He has no permits for the use of his property as a gun range and paramilitary training. He has outstanding arrest warrants for gun violations, and an enormous cache of illegal weapons and still his neighbors can’t shut him down.
Is this where we are now in America? Where a group of angry, white (mostly) men (mostly) can arm themselves and terrorize an entire community with impunity?
And Slate Ridge is by no means unique. Similar armed camps are organized across the nation.
Once upon a time, mobs of armed, angry white men threatened mostly black Americans. We never really dealt with them then and now they endanger us all.
Hate has no allegiance to nation, color or creed. It’s a cancer that exploits any vulnerability and destroys everything it touches.
So I’m glad u looked into it— I was horrified when I read this article and I’ve been aware of the spreading of these fringe groups now because the Southern Poverty Law Foundation spreads information and map about which type of group is near you— there are lots in NH etc when you contribute to them the share maps and the latest. They are an organization with lots of funds to fight these groups in court. Perhaps they will help this Vermont horror show.
Yes, this is where we're at now. Cf. the string of outrages committed by the Bundy clan out west. Serial criminals who are never properly held to account.
Art imitates life: “Do you mean to tell me, Katie Scarlett O’Hara, that Tara, that land, doesn’t mean anything to you? Why, land is the only thing in the world worth workin’ for, worth fightin’ for, worth dyin’ for, because it’s the only thing that lasts.” Which is why many of the formerly enslaved were denied the opportunity to own land for many years.
I am hearing the sound track from Gone With the Wind as the father gives Scarlett the lesson of her life. Da da ya ya— I so love the film. Today while my son took my 87 year old husband for his second dose, I was trying to take a nap. Later the song Strange Fruit came to me— I used to listen to a lot of Billie Holiday.
Yes. I hear my FIL's words echoing in this so very much. His parents immigrated from Europe, he himself bought farmland and worked it hard. Yet in the end, through all kinds of sordid life events, the land really became a curse.
So very true. The fact that after all the horrible bloodshed in this country-/the first one that came to mind was that man who holed up in a Las Vegas hotel and just started shooting a concert crowd with military grade weapons and bullets.—we haven’t been able to budge the laws. There’s a Sandy Hook parent that started a movement to raise money to at least get the gun manufacturers to have some liability after that kind of disaster. I support that group and I can’t imagine how those parent feel after that massacre that our congress impeded any efforts.
Really, this is a travesty to not have laws that go further to prevent insane criminals getting their hands on weaponry. I have a college friend whose granddaughter was killed at Marjorie Stoneman. She was the youngest murdered, 14 years old.
If the south still has the notion that black people aren’t really fully human and I think a lot of them still do — this delusion was invented to protect their honor and their whole way of life. My husband’s eldest son married a wonderful brilliant and hardworking woman who is a true steel magnolia. One time she notably spoke up at a family gathering and said —growing up I thought dam Yankees was one word.
The argument can be made that the Constitution was designed for minority rule by giving the Senate the power it has. It was a necessary condition to get southern states to sign on. This fact was recognized and used throughout US history to keep slavery in place, to limit civil rights, ... The Republican party going back at least to Richard Nixon has used this fact to stay in power.
Tim, you are certainly right about the racist roots of contemporary Repo appeals. But I would add that constructing the Senate [and the electoral college as they thought it would function] as an anti-democratic bulwark was strongly supported by many Northern framers. They feared the "unruly passions" of popular majorities would lead to assaults on property and wealth--and they were probably right. The tensions between the Haves and Have-Nots were widespread, even beyond the Slave/Non-Slave divides. As other respondents have pointed out, constitutional protections of property--including but not limited to claiming persons as property--have shaped our history from its beginnings.
Seems to me that we've been under minority rule for the better part of the last 30 years. There are numerous issues that are popular with the public but that Republicans refuse to consider — gun control, minimum wage, ending citizens united, decriminalizing drugs, etc.
More than 30 years if you consider that in the beginning we were ruled exclusively by white men with property.
Yes. My FIL, as wonderful man as was, drilled in my head for years that available land will only be for so long. Dirt = $$. Buy land. Buy property. Real estate.
Right one of my exes was a shining example of that philosophy but think of that poor Vermont community that thought they at least had a quiet rural habitat and some white militia type bought a huge chunk of that land to use to train the militias—and his property rights are up against their right —he dares them to challenge him. I hope the Nytimes continues to follow this story.
It's painfully clear that Daniel Banyai, owner of Slate Ridge, the organization in question, is operating outside of the law. He has no permits for the use of his property as a gun range and paramilitary training. He has outstanding arrest warrants for gun violations, and an enormous cache of illegal weapons and still his neighbors can’t shut him down.
Is this where we are now in America? Where a group of angry, white (mostly) men (mostly) can arm themselves and terrorize an entire community with impunity?
And Slate Ridge is by no means unique. Similar armed camps are organized across the nation.
Once upon a time, mobs of armed, angry white men threatened mostly black Americans. We never really dealt with them then and now they endanger us all.
Hate has no allegiance to nation, color or creed. It’s a cancer that exploits any vulnerability and destroys everything it touches.
So I’m glad u looked into it— I was horrified when I read this article and I’ve been aware of the spreading of these fringe groups now because the Southern Poverty Law Foundation spreads information and map about which type of group is near you— there are lots in NH etc when you contribute to them the share maps and the latest. They are an organization with lots of funds to fight these groups in court. Perhaps they will help this Vermont horror show.
SPLC is my go-to for information on hate groups. I have donated to that wonderful organization for 25 years.
I found the ICAP posting about this in connection with voting interference (intimidation). If you'd like, I can copy the article.
Yes, this is where we're at now. Cf. the string of outrages committed by the Bundy clan out west. Serial criminals who are never properly held to account.
And serial politicians who are also never held to account
Same is going on in Idaho and Montana and here in WA. Scary.
Very
Also in Oregon, the state with the most KKK north of th Mason Dixion line.
What community I. Vermont ? I don’t know this story I grew up in Vermont
https://gunandsurvival.com/2020/10/30/militia-training-site-terrifies-neighbors-in-west-pawlet/
I read the article. Very scary. What most people don't know is that private militias are illegal in all 50 states. https://twitter.com/i/status/1327294270169116674
Thanks. Terrifying. I grew up in Rutland.
Art imitates life: “Do you mean to tell me, Katie Scarlett O’Hara, that Tara, that land, doesn’t mean anything to you? Why, land is the only thing in the world worth workin’ for, worth fightin’ for, worth dyin’ for, because it’s the only thing that lasts.” Which is why many of the formerly enslaved were denied the opportunity to own land for many years.
I much preferred the native American conception of land....that it could not be owned but can be part of all of our environments...collectively.
They are brilliant.
I am hearing the sound track from Gone With the Wind as the father gives Scarlett the lesson of her life. Da da ya ya— I so love the film. Today while my son took my 87 year old husband for his second dose, I was trying to take a nap. Later the song Strange Fruit came to me— I used to listen to a lot of Billie Holiday.
Yes. I hear my FIL's words echoing in this so very much. His parents immigrated from Europe, he himself bought farmland and worked it hard. Yet in the end, through all kinds of sordid life events, the land really became a curse.
The Trumpsky crime family has stocked up on land for decades. Using other people's money.
Sure.
So very true. The fact that after all the horrible bloodshed in this country-/the first one that came to mind was that man who holed up in a Las Vegas hotel and just started shooting a concert crowd with military grade weapons and bullets.—we haven’t been able to budge the laws. There’s a Sandy Hook parent that started a movement to raise money to at least get the gun manufacturers to have some liability after that kind of disaster. I support that group and I can’t imagine how those parent feel after that massacre that our congress impeded any efforts.
Really, this is a travesty to not have laws that go further to prevent insane criminals getting their hands on weaponry. I have a college friend whose granddaughter was killed at Marjorie Stoneman. She was the youngest murdered, 14 years old.
My heart breaks for these poor parents. The French were so sadly shaking their heads about Trump- very sorry I would say— didn’t vote for the thug.
I can't imagine that loss. Don't Republicans have children. Can they not even care.
If the south still has the notion that black people aren’t really fully human and I think a lot of them still do — this delusion was invented to protect their honor and their whole way of life. My husband’s eldest son married a wonderful brilliant and hardworking woman who is a true steel magnolia. One time she notably spoke up at a family gathering and said —growing up I thought dam Yankees was one word.
Their children go to private schools.
And there is ms green who says these events never happened
She’s dirt.
Yes and we have known about it all that time too! So what has been done to change it? Not much and surely not enough. Whose fault?
All of us
The argument can be made that the Constitution was designed for minority rule by giving the Senate the power it has. It was a necessary condition to get southern states to sign on. This fact was recognized and used throughout US history to keep slavery in place, to limit civil rights, ... The Republican party going back at least to Richard Nixon has used this fact to stay in power.
Tim, you are certainly right about the racist roots of contemporary Repo appeals. But I would add that constructing the Senate [and the electoral college as they thought it would function] as an anti-democratic bulwark was strongly supported by many Northern framers. They feared the "unruly passions" of popular majorities would lead to assaults on property and wealth--and they were probably right. The tensions between the Haves and Have-Nots were widespread, even beyond the Slave/Non-Slave divides. As other respondents have pointed out, constitutional protections of property--including but not limited to claiming persons as property--have shaped our history from its beginnings.
Yep
I should read through comments before posting! I mirror your assessment!
I agree