I'm surprised the House impeachment team has not mentioned the quasi-criminal strategy the Trump reelection strategists put into practice to get Republicans to vote in person, thus exposing themselves to Coronavirus infection, so that the early vote count would be high in the first period and decline precipitously as mail-in ballots star…
I'm surprised the House impeachment team has not mentioned the quasi-criminal strategy the Trump reelection strategists put into practice to get Republicans to vote in person, thus exposing themselves to Coronavirus infection, so that the early vote count would be high in the first period and decline precipitously as mail-in ballots started to be counted, allowing the Trump people to shout "Fraud." This was a massive operation launched well before the election as states were considering unusual voting measures to reduce making polling stations super-spreader events. Trump wittingly and deliberately pushed Republican voters to put themselves in harms way to suit Trump's mad scheme. The influence campaign and planning this required shows a staggering and morally damnable willingness to expose people to mortal danger. This was an important part of the creation of the "stolen election" campaign. I would like to see more investigation into the role Stephen Miller played in some of Trump's more artful manipulations aimed at giving Trump mobster-like power and the least oversight possible.
In March 2020 the NYT published data saying that if all precautions were followed, 82,000 Americans would die from Covid-19; if none were taken, 2.2 million would die. The difference is the total of avoidable deaths. Well guess what, 82,000 is way behind in the rear-view mirror; 2.2 mil is quite possible; and we must learn to live with Covid for years, possibly decades. There is the true measure of Trumpsky's malfeasance and dereliction of duty, even before losing the election and then conspiring to overthrow it. Manslaughter, negligent homicide, crimes against humanity -- take your pick. He's guilty of at least one, maybe all. If there's justice on Earth, may he receive the full measure due.
I do NOT see the possibility of 2.2M deaths. Once people get vaccinated, the odds of severe illness plummet. Yes, we will have to live with Covid-19, but it will then be as the other Covid illnesses are... a cold or flu.
Do not get me wrong, Chump’s herd immunity plan, let everybody get sick to achieve it; is evil. But then, he is an evil, vile person.
That 2.2 million figure was an upper limit based on doing nothing. We did a little before Kushner and others decided to let the virus run its course. I have written before that if we had followed Australia’s lead that we would have 10,000 dead. DJT is responsible for more than 456,000 deaths. He is America’s greatest mass murderer.
The NYT projections came before effective vaccines, before we could hope that a major medical breakthrough could be made so rapidly. 2.2 mil deaths is less likely now, of course, but still possible. Consider all the maskholes who WILL NOT take precautions, and millions who won't get vaccinated. I expect a dangerous transition while vaccination proceeds, but many people ease up on precautions like social distancing, masking, opening businesses and schools, etc. Relief and a false sense of security are real factors.
Based on studying the history of disease for much of the past 30 years. I'll share my worst projection:
The first 50 years of Covid-19 will be the worst. The next 400 won't be so bad.
Alarmist? Maybe, but it reflects knowledge of the course of pneumonic and bubonic plague (the Black Death). After the BD peaked in the mid-14C, it hung around until the 18C. The course of a disease's history often progresses from pandemic > epidemic > endemic. It could take decades or centuries for Covid-19 to become as benign as cold or flu -- and both are still deadly to non-immune populations.
N Cook, Born to Die
A Crosby, Germs, Seeds and Animals
R Gottfried, The Black Death
C Gregg, Plague
W McNeill, Plagues and Peoples (best history of disease)
This is right on the head of the nail...and the mutations continue. IMHO, 400 years is a fair estimate, and other pandemics will happen with endless habitat incursion and the warming climate.
Except if vaccines don’t roll out faster, mutations could bring rise to a strain that is immune to the vaccine, and/or more deadly, and/or faster spreading. I hope 2.2 million is not possible, but we have to stay vigilant and push for better vaccine roll out.
When we look back we will see a huge jump in deaths over the period of the pandemic that were not attributed to Covid. The true morbidity and mortality will take some time to be known. It won’t be pretty. All I can think of when I think of this is that Orange faced mobster grinning gleefully while rallying his sheep to their deaths.
I disagree. Natural selection = evolution. ‘Natural’ herd immunity, using your name for it, causes peoples’ immune systems to fight a reinfection, causing the virus to mostly die out w/very few hosts around. I spent decades in science.
Doesn't natural herd immunity mean that a significant number of the herd will die off from the novel pathogen before the select stronger members gain immunity? like Native Americans with introduced smallpox and Polynesians with measles on first exposure to Europeans who had attained a degree of herd immunity.
Yes European death rates for small pox were in the region of 33% (Black Death plague...50%) whereas the Native Americans eventually lost 95%. herd immunity can take a long time! this is a lot faster than Darwin suggested for "evolution".
Herd immunity is a veterinary term, referring to a vaccination program designed to prevent further deaths in a population. Or, one can simply "stand back and stand by" (sorry, couldn't resist) and let natural selection do it's thing.
Not exactly. Natural selection means more suited to survive and reproduce. Herd immunity refers to 70-80% vaccination to stop spread. Herd immunity as a term should not be applied to a natural spreading event. More spread more mutations, and the cycle of sickness and spread repeats.
It looks like that number is a worst case scenario of zero precautions taken. That's not the current case. With varying levels of risk mitigation we'll be hitting 500k soon enough, and the number will go up from there.
Potential for Mutations are high. Thus it could roar back. SARS had 9% mortality. MERS 29%. Both Corona viruses. Getting spread under control is so important.
So should every seditionist republican who signed their names to overturn our 2020 election. Not one of them should be allowed to be jurors in this case. It is so obvious it makes my blood boil to see these immature dunderwhelps thumbing their noses at our democracy and this trial. Why are the dems not speaking to that point?
Seditionist jurors sitting and mocking the trial of their lead seditionist? We are no going into the sixth year of constant insults to our democracy and our intelligence. Can all of these thickwiggits be brainwashed? They have violated their oaths of office and to the people for four years...it is so damned clear.
yes but with a cooperative judge in the right place it would be considered only as embarrassing as killing a Native American girl or guy in the wilds of the Dakotas or some such place......hardly meriting judgement let alone incarceration or probation!
Try viewing "Wind River." It's a feature film but it exposes the tragic plight of Native Amer women, who have been undervalued, dehumanized and brutalized for centuries. Even today there is no comprehensive data on rapes, assault and murder. A national disgrace.
Wind River has many merits: the mystery, acting, script, plot/character development. But everyone please note, there are several scenes with gut-wrenching violence. It's not for the squeamish.
Good point. That was a particularly macabre piece of Trump's theatre. But I think the house managers are right in choosing the more blatant pieces of Trump's reality TV style of coup.
I'm surprised the House impeachment team has not mentioned the quasi-criminal strategy the Trump reelection strategists put into practice to get Republicans to vote in person, thus exposing themselves to Coronavirus infection, so that the early vote count would be high in the first period and decline precipitously as mail-in ballots started to be counted, allowing the Trump people to shout "Fraud." This was a massive operation launched well before the election as states were considering unusual voting measures to reduce making polling stations super-spreader events. Trump wittingly and deliberately pushed Republican voters to put themselves in harms way to suit Trump's mad scheme. The influence campaign and planning this required shows a staggering and morally damnable willingness to expose people to mortal danger. This was an important part of the creation of the "stolen election" campaign. I would like to see more investigation into the role Stephen Miller played in some of Trump's more artful manipulations aimed at giving Trump mobster-like power and the least oversight possible.
In March 2020 the NYT published data saying that if all precautions were followed, 82,000 Americans would die from Covid-19; if none were taken, 2.2 million would die. The difference is the total of avoidable deaths. Well guess what, 82,000 is way behind in the rear-view mirror; 2.2 mil is quite possible; and we must learn to live with Covid for years, possibly decades. There is the true measure of Trumpsky's malfeasance and dereliction of duty, even before losing the election and then conspiring to overthrow it. Manslaughter, negligent homicide, crimes against humanity -- take your pick. He's guilty of at least one, maybe all. If there's justice on Earth, may he receive the full measure due.
I do NOT see the possibility of 2.2M deaths. Once people get vaccinated, the odds of severe illness plummet. Yes, we will have to live with Covid-19, but it will then be as the other Covid illnesses are... a cold or flu.
Do not get me wrong, Chump’s herd immunity plan, let everybody get sick to achieve it; is evil. But then, he is an evil, vile person.
That 2.2 million figure was an upper limit based on doing nothing. We did a little before Kushner and others decided to let the virus run its course. I have written before that if we had followed Australia’s lead that we would have 10,000 dead. DJT is responsible for more than 456,000 deaths. He is America’s greatest mass murderer.
The NYT projections came before effective vaccines, before we could hope that a major medical breakthrough could be made so rapidly. 2.2 mil deaths is less likely now, of course, but still possible. Consider all the maskholes who WILL NOT take precautions, and millions who won't get vaccinated. I expect a dangerous transition while vaccination proceeds, but many people ease up on precautions like social distancing, masking, opening businesses and schools, etc. Relief and a false sense of security are real factors.
Based on studying the history of disease for much of the past 30 years. I'll share my worst projection:
The first 50 years of Covid-19 will be the worst. The next 400 won't be so bad.
Alarmist? Maybe, but it reflects knowledge of the course of pneumonic and bubonic plague (the Black Death). After the BD peaked in the mid-14C, it hung around until the 18C. The course of a disease's history often progresses from pandemic > epidemic > endemic. It could take decades or centuries for Covid-19 to become as benign as cold or flu -- and both are still deadly to non-immune populations.
N Cook, Born to Die
A Crosby, Germs, Seeds and Animals
R Gottfried, The Black Death
C Gregg, Plague
W McNeill, Plagues and Peoples (best history of disease)
This is right on the head of the nail...and the mutations continue. IMHO, 400 years is a fair estimate, and other pandemics will happen with endless habitat incursion and the warming climate.
Thanks for reminder, Kim; the mutation aspect is another complicating factor.
Yes, The loss of habitat and biodiversity weaken our natural rings of pathogen defense.
Except if vaccines don’t roll out faster, mutations could bring rise to a strain that is immune to the vaccine, and/or more deadly, and/or faster spreading. I hope 2.2 million is not possible, but we have to stay vigilant and push for better vaccine roll out.
The beast can also mutate itself out of the "infectious" league!
I'll say it again, there is no such thing as "natural" herd immunity, that process is called natural selection.
When we look back we will see a huge jump in deaths over the period of the pandemic that were not attributed to Covid. The true morbidity and mortality will take some time to be known. It won’t be pretty. All I can think of when I think of this is that Orange faced mobster grinning gleefully while rallying his sheep to their deaths.
Totally. Read “The Great Influenza” Barry. Same mistakes, arrogance, minimizing, censorship. I think we r on the right track now I cam only hope
I disagree. Natural selection = evolution. ‘Natural’ herd immunity, using your name for it, causes peoples’ immune systems to fight a reinfection, causing the virus to mostly die out w/very few hosts around. I spent decades in science.
Doesn't natural herd immunity mean that a significant number of the herd will die off from the novel pathogen before the select stronger members gain immunity? like Native Americans with introduced smallpox and Polynesians with measles on first exposure to Europeans who had attained a degree of herd immunity.
Yes European death rates for small pox were in the region of 33% (Black Death plague...50%) whereas the Native Americans eventually lost 95%. herd immunity can take a long time! this is a lot faster than Darwin suggested for "evolution".
Yup
Herd immunity is a veterinary term, referring to a vaccination program designed to prevent further deaths in a population. Or, one can simply "stand back and stand by" (sorry, couldn't resist) and let natural selection do it's thing.
Like the deniers who refuse to take precautions of masking and distancing. Natural Selection - thinning the herd of its weakest minds.
Seeking herd immunity without a vaccine, as the Trumpsky admin did, is a crime against humanity. So much unnecessary suffering and death .... Tragic.
Ooops... well, I guess you would know, I am not sure...
Lol, I am not sure of anything these days, other than djt is an evil man.
Exactly...
Not exactly. Natural selection means more suited to survive and reproduce. Herd immunity refers to 70-80% vaccination to stop spread. Herd immunity as a term should not be applied to a natural spreading event. More spread more mutations, and the cycle of sickness and spread repeats.
It looks like that number is a worst case scenario of zero precautions taken. That's not the current case. With varying levels of risk mitigation we'll be hitting 500k soon enough, and the number will go up from there.
Not everybody has taken precautions. Some states carry on as if the pandemic is a hoax! Life as usual...
Potential for Mutations are high. Thus it could roar back. SARS had 9% mortality. MERS 29%. Both Corona viruses. Getting spread under control is so important.
Genocide
Could have gone higher than 2.2 if not mitigated. I’ve read as high as 6 mil. Just look at northern Italy. 7% mortality.
Stephan Miller should be on trial this week.
So should every seditionist republican who signed their names to overturn our 2020 election. Not one of them should be allowed to be jurors in this case. It is so obvious it makes my blood boil to see these immature dunderwhelps thumbing their noses at our democracy and this trial. Why are the dems not speaking to that point?
Seditionist jurors sitting and mocking the trial of their lead seditionist? We are no going into the sixth year of constant insults to our democracy and our intelligence. Can all of these thickwiggits be brainwashed? They have violated their oaths of office and to the people for four years...it is so damned clear.
"Dunderwhelps" and " thickwiggits"....great descriptive words!!!!
they are all on trial this week....in the court of public opinion.... hence the dramatized and televised Democrat show.
My take on impeachment https://dianefrancis.substack.com/p/american-un-exceptionalism
Yes me too. I smell Miller in everything egregious that Fake45 does.
Sounds like a massive case of manslaughter.
I was thinking Felony Murder.
yes but with a cooperative judge in the right place it would be considered only as embarrassing as killing a Native American girl or guy in the wilds of the Dakotas or some such place......hardly meriting judgement let alone incarceration or probation!
Try viewing "Wind River." It's a feature film but it exposes the tragic plight of Native Amer women, who have been undervalued, dehumanized and brutalized for centuries. Even today there is no comprehensive data on rapes, assault and murder. A national disgrace.
already done when it came out. Perfectly agree with your analysis
Good taste distinguishes you, Stuart.
Wind River has many merits: the mystery, acting, script, plot/character development. But everyone please note, there are several scenes with gut-wrenching violence. It's not for the squeamish.
The managers aren’t finished yet. They have 2/11 to continue their presentation.
Good point. That was a particularly macabre piece of Trump's theatre. But I think the house managers are right in choosing the more blatant pieces of Trump's reality TV style of coup.