Looks like low tide. Beautiful picture. I wish she would take a whole weekend off once in a while.
Very dedicated professor, preparing us to understand what's ahead. Knowledge is power, and she wants to make us very powerful indeed....
Have a good Sunday everyone! Love those who walk the path with you.
From HCR you mean? I wouldn’t worry unless say, three nights went by without any note. That’s just me though. We all need to take breaks now and then and for someone who posts so regularly it would feel odd to not hear from her but I would initially assume she was taking a break. Lord knows I do wonder how she keeps it up day after day + have a regular life and job. Her work, and especially combined with Ruth Ben-Ghiat’s Substack newsletter Lucid, is so very, very valuable during such tumultuous and trying times.
Gus I respectfully ask you to show that photo to a person of color and ask them if it is a "beautiful photo." I very much appreciate HRC's work and love, love the people commenting. However. I have a serious concern here so I will ask this question. Are we in danger of living in a bubble in these comments?
Barbara, I am making steady progress towards a bubble that is all that the Maker has created. A heart that doesn't know any difference in race or anything that would separate us from each other except good and evil. Since high school, I have answered 'human' on any form that asked my race. But as a human it requires me to work on my humanity and humility every day, as you can probably tell from some of my comments about Republicans as being all bad. I have made significant progress in the last year, possibly as a response to the encroaching evil of tribal racism we face each day. First Nation wisdom teaches that we are on the same Path, and where our individual paths cross, enchantment is possible. I work and study and pray to make that happen, and when I wished for us to "love those who walk the same path with you" I meant everyone.
Forgive me for not making that clear enough.
"Unity cannot exist, where exclusion is allowed to occur."
Oh! As for hanging together, the rope in the picture is a 'painter.' When the tide comes in and floats that dinghy, the painter will secure it. I am aware of people who, for good reason, see a noose in every rope -- and for whom the word 'hanging' evokes terrible pain. Forgive me for not noticing that in the picture. As a sailor I just see lines and weather and tides at first glance; I too have incredible pain in my ancestry, but I can never comprehend the pain of First People, Black People, Jews, or any other race or color. You all have one thing in common: The racism of some of my race.
Dear Gus: Thank You for your thoughtful and inciteful response. It has been a good day in these comments section with a group of folks having a caring and intelligent exchange of viewpoints. That is truly the best we can hope for.
Bill, I always fill in the 'Other' line, or over-write another choice. Why is it necessary to identify us like that? Unfortunately, I know the answer....
As with visual art, language harvests the minds of both the writer and the viewer, each bringing their own culture, background of experience to its meaning. "Hanging with friends", "hanging in there" speaks of enduring proximity and loyalty with one's intimates. So many, many words hold vastly different associations and meanings -- and for some are deep trigger words. This post comes from a loving author and I trust its integrity.
Thank you for this comment. 🙏❤️ I’m guessing no one is suggesting a lack of integrity? The discussion that has ensued does ask how much responsibility should we take on for how others perceive what we have not recognized?
Yes Kasumii, as a long time reader of your comments here, I knew that. And your comments have helped me to understand a different view. I think that is different than having the expectation that the artist should have seen your view and adjusted their message accordingly though. I cannot speak for you or how your comments were interpreted by others, I’m just asking a question and am grateful to you for thinking about it. 🙏❤️
Thanks for your post Lauri. I see lynching and hanging separately. Lynching is a violent act of murder against a person based solely on whatever the crowd doesn’t like about them when in truth they have done nothing wrong. Hanging is the act of hanging a person by the neck until they are dead. It used to be a lawful method of putting a person to death for their crimes. It is definitely one of the methods used in lynching.
You are correct that technically “no one narrative owns hanging”. However, hanging and the use of a noose, especially one forefront in any image, will almost always bring up to people some thoughts or slivers of thoughts on America’s history of slavery and genocide. It will almost always bring up the idea of using violence to get one’s way politically. And most recently, it will bring up the remembrance of the gallows and noose constructed on Jan 6th by those who wished/still wish to bring down our current government.
I wouldn’t say that any of the remarks made here were to suggest or demand or make anyone else walk “a narrow plank of reasoning”. We are each adding our own reactions to the photo and quote of today’s post. Just as you did. I am writing to add my thoughts to what you wrote. As you can to what I have just written.
Kasumii, Very good point! Distinguishing between lynching and hanging is helpful to at least think about. Of course, to the victim it's all the same....
I'm not really making a point here -- just thinking out loud....
Agree, Lauri and good morning. To tell you the truth, the picture reflects, to me, not a noose as usually imagined but a knotted loop on a fishing boat. The thought by the photographer brought to mind the thought of Ben Franklin. I did not associate lynching with it. I associated the concept of traitors and the parallel of current circumstance. And I also immediately thought of democracy (together the people) and autocracy (isolate the people).
Well said and true, we all react differently to things. Thanks for your reply.
Like Barbara, I too had a visceral reaction to the combined photo and post. I flinched. While you are correct that the rope is tied in knots and not as a lasso it is still a photo of a looped rope that is deliberately linked together with a quote about hanging. I don’t see how one could avoid putting the two together and even extrapolating out to the subject of lynching when they were presented together. But again, this is my take on the matter.
Looks like low tide. Beautiful picture. I wish she would take a whole weekend off once in a while.
Very dedicated professor, preparing us to understand what's ahead. Knowledge is power, and she wants to make us very powerful indeed....
Have a good Sunday everyone! Love those who walk the path with you.
If we failed to get a note from her I would worry about her condition! She is amazing!
From HCR you mean? I wouldn’t worry unless say, three nights went by without any note. That’s just me though. We all need to take breaks now and then and for someone who posts so regularly it would feel odd to not hear from her but I would initially assume she was taking a break. Lord knows I do wonder how she keeps it up day after day + have a regular life and job. Her work, and especially combined with Ruth Ben-Ghiat’s Substack newsletter Lucid, is so very, very valuable during such tumultuous and trying times.
Robert Hubbell on Substack is another valuable supplement to HCR and Ruth Ben-Ghiat.
Gus I respectfully ask you to show that photo to a person of color and ask them if it is a "beautiful photo." I very much appreciate HRC's work and love, love the people commenting. However. I have a serious concern here so I will ask this question. Are we in danger of living in a bubble in these comments?
Barbara, I am making steady progress towards a bubble that is all that the Maker has created. A heart that doesn't know any difference in race or anything that would separate us from each other except good and evil. Since high school, I have answered 'human' on any form that asked my race. But as a human it requires me to work on my humanity and humility every day, as you can probably tell from some of my comments about Republicans as being all bad. I have made significant progress in the last year, possibly as a response to the encroaching evil of tribal racism we face each day. First Nation wisdom teaches that we are on the same Path, and where our individual paths cross, enchantment is possible. I work and study and pray to make that happen, and when I wished for us to "love those who walk the same path with you" I meant everyone.
Forgive me for not making that clear enough.
"Unity cannot exist, where exclusion is allowed to occur."
Richard Wagamese, Ojibway author, Embers ch.1
Oh! As for hanging together, the rope in the picture is a 'painter.' When the tide comes in and floats that dinghy, the painter will secure it. I am aware of people who, for good reason, see a noose in every rope -- and for whom the word 'hanging' evokes terrible pain. Forgive me for not noticing that in the picture. As a sailor I just see lines and weather and tides at first glance; I too have incredible pain in my ancestry, but I can never comprehend the pain of First People, Black People, Jews, or any other race or color. You all have one thing in common: The racism of some of my race.
I despise the word 'race.' It separates us.
Dear Gus: Thank You for your thoughtful and inciteful response. It has been a good day in these comments section with a group of folks having a caring and intelligent exchange of viewpoints. That is truly the best we can hope for.
Thank you Gus. I'll start using "human" as well unless it's a copyright issue. Sometimes we forget that we are merely human.
Bill, I always fill in the 'Other' line, or over-write another choice. Why is it necessary to identify us like that? Unfortunately, I know the answer....
Excellent question Barbara. Thank you for posting it.
As with visual art, language harvests the minds of both the writer and the viewer, each bringing their own culture, background of experience to its meaning. "Hanging with friends", "hanging in there" speaks of enduring proximity and loyalty with one's intimates. So many, many words hold vastly different associations and meanings -- and for some are deep trigger words. This post comes from a loving author and I trust its integrity.
Thank you for this comment. 🙏❤️ I’m guessing no one is suggesting a lack of integrity? The discussion that has ensued does ask how much responsibility should we take on for how others perceive what we have not recognized?
Christy, Very concise wisdom, gently offered. This is the most empathy filled respectful conversation I think I have witnessed on this forum.
Interesting question Christy. I’m going to ponder that further.
Speaking for myself, not once in today’s comment was I referring to integrity.
Yes Kasumii, as a long time reader of your comments here, I knew that. And your comments have helped me to understand a different view. I think that is different than having the expectation that the artist should have seen your view and adjusted their message accordingly though. I cannot speak for you or how your comments were interpreted by others, I’m just asking a question and am grateful to you for thinking about it. 🙏❤️
This was brought home to me this morning, shockingly, thanks to other commenters.
We are in that danger, but I don't think it's exactly what I think you think it is.
https://www.npr.org/podcasts/510053/on-point
see the podcast featuring (African American) linguist John McWhorter.
Thanks for your post Lauri. I see lynching and hanging separately. Lynching is a violent act of murder against a person based solely on whatever the crowd doesn’t like about them when in truth they have done nothing wrong. Hanging is the act of hanging a person by the neck until they are dead. It used to be a lawful method of putting a person to death for their crimes. It is definitely one of the methods used in lynching.
You are correct that technically “no one narrative owns hanging”. However, hanging and the use of a noose, especially one forefront in any image, will almost always bring up to people some thoughts or slivers of thoughts on America’s history of slavery and genocide. It will almost always bring up the idea of using violence to get one’s way politically. And most recently, it will bring up the remembrance of the gallows and noose constructed on Jan 6th by those who wished/still wish to bring down our current government.
I wouldn’t say that any of the remarks made here were to suggest or demand or make anyone else walk “a narrow plank of reasoning”. We are each adding our own reactions to the photo and quote of today’s post. Just as you did. I am writing to add my thoughts to what you wrote. As you can to what I have just written.
Kasumii, Very good point! Distinguishing between lynching and hanging is helpful to at least think about. Of course, to the victim it's all the same....
I'm not really making a point here -- just thinking out loud....
Agree, Lauri and good morning. To tell you the truth, the picture reflects, to me, not a noose as usually imagined but a knotted loop on a fishing boat. The thought by the photographer brought to mind the thought of Ben Franklin. I did not associate lynching with it. I associated the concept of traitors and the parallel of current circumstance. And I also immediately thought of democracy (together the people) and autocracy (isolate the people).
Well said and true, we all react differently to things. Thanks for your reply.
Like Barbara, I too had a visceral reaction to the combined photo and post. I flinched. While you are correct that the rope is tied in knots and not as a lasso it is still a photo of a looped rope that is deliberately linked together with a quote about hanging. I don’t see how one could avoid putting the two together and even extrapolating out to the subject of lynching when they were presented together. But again, this is my take on the matter.
"No one narrative owns hanging." In this Country unfortunately they do.