Dear Professor Cox Richardson,
I think the White Christian Nationalist wing of the Republican party should be named and shamed. Instead, you just wrote about "enforcing religion." I think the language you chose is too mild.
It's not just "religion" they want to enforce, it's a particular variety of white people's Christianity. They ar…
I think the White Christian Nationalist wing of the Republican party should be named and shamed. Instead, you just wrote about "enforcing religion." I think the language you chose is too mild.
It's not just "religion" they want to enforce, it's a particular variety of white people's Christianity. They are White Christian Nationalists bent on shaping our laws and our public sphere to fit their religious doctrines. This, in a supposedly secular nation, is offensive and illegal, even unconstitutional.
So calling it "religion" is like George Santos calling his pack of lies "resume embellishment", in my world.
I am senior clergy in a minority faith, and have been a religious rights activist for decades, so it's a sensitive issue to me personally. Thank you for considering my point.
I agree with you wholeheartedly. What they are doing is NOT following Christ. I saw a quote a few days ago - maybe on here somewhere - that said instead of fighting to put Christ back in Christmas, let’s fight to put Christ back in Christian. Better words were never spoken!
Dianna Beers "I saw a quote a few days ago - maybe on here somewhere - that said instead of fighting to put Christ back in Christmas, let’s fight to put Christ back in Christian."
Just to add on:
“𝘗𝘶𝘵 𝘊𝘩𝘳𝘪𝘴𝘵 𝘣𝘢𝘤𝘬 𝘪𝘯 𝘊𝘩𝘳𝘪𝘴𝘵𝘪𝘢𝘯.” Gosh, I wish I’d have come up with that. I didn’t. The author is lost to me, but I saw it sometime this week on social media somewhere.
“𝘗𝘶𝘵 𝘊𝘩𝘳𝘪𝘴𝘵 𝘣𝘢𝘤𝘬 𝘪𝘯 𝘊𝘩𝘳𝘪𝘴𝘵𝘪𝘢𝘯.” Whew. That’s strong stuff, folks. It may have come from those who oppose the trite “𝘗𝘶𝘵 𝘊𝘩𝘳𝘪𝘴𝘵 𝘣𝘢𝘤𝘬 𝘪𝘯 𝘊𝘩𝘳𝘪𝘴𝘵𝘮𝘢𝘴” because Starbucks has red holiday cups that don’t have a Crèche or a Christian Cross or a pagan-inspired Christmas tree on the front. Who knows? --Joey Kennedy, Alabama Political Reporter
Christ would have been surprised that he is worshipped as a god (or more correctly, demi-god.) Every historic attempt to reform Christianity has failed, because the the institution of a church always survives. It's one saving grace is Christ's spiritual message of love, not a religious worship of a "Christ" that never existed.
Not only are they not following Christ, they represent what disgusted Jesus the most--hypocrisy. When I found out that trump had won the presidency and I fervently asked God to allow the GOP to self-implode, not only did I not expect Him to answer my prayer so cleverly, but as He always does, to best it! The infighting has already begun in earnest and will continue breaking up in smaller and smaller groups until everybody is against each other. And then out of nowhere George Santos, a guy who reflects the GOP psychosis to a T, appears to pissoff his constintuents and further divide, divide, divide. It's all so divinely delightful!
In a lot of ways I agree Caroline. Words matter. Witness just for one for instance, the hatchet job (deviously brilliant execution) the far right has done on just one word: Liberal. Repeating it over and over again, associating it with 'anything' wrong and a direction the wrongs come from - over and over for decades till the media even picks it up and repeats it completely out of any contextual meaning and truth. Now it's parroted as synonymous with far extreme outcomes of communism, socialism, etc., which as we know and history shows has been the prime highway for autocracies. Parroting the falsehoods and all the while enjoying the fruits of a liberal democracy, chock full of requisite checks and balances, which the hard rightist's are hard at work destabilizing.
First time today in Swedish media I notice 'fossil gas' is called by it's real name, instead of 'natural gas'. That was in connection with Finland opening a LNG terminal to import gas replacing Russian gas. 'natural gas' is green washing and there has been a long time waiting for words to change.
Sorry to argue, Olof, but I must dissent. "Natural gas" is just that, a natural byproduct of a chemical process that long-burried and heated organic material undergoes. It will be produced naturally whether it's used by humans or not. It was called that before the alarms about global warming started ringing. It IS natural, though now we know that it's use needs to be minimized.
So, "Natural" is not greewashing. Your short-on-history and short-on-science and short-on-economics comment is due to brainwashing.
I am absolutely shocked that in HCR posts that someone resorts to name calling and demeaning (brainwashed)! It’s fine you have an opinion on various topics (although it seems the article below sort of blows that up a tad), but this forum, for me, is for educated discussions and not the sort of divisive rhetoric we find elsewhere.
You are exactly right. Ad hominem is not welcome here. It’s condescending and divisive. Shuts off thoughtful communication. Thanks for calling you like you (and I) see it.
Thanks, Christy, for pointing us to this fascinating Yale Study on the terms natural gas and methane options. Seems "natural" has a positive response vs. methane. Didn't know that 70%+- percent of natural gas is methane.
Sandra, there is a good analysis & update on "natural" gas venting & flaring authored by Nicole, Zoha & Sarah at insideclimatenews.org. on 2/25/2022. Attention LFAA Authors: the subject is worthy of book length treatment including a chapter on old Fred C. Koch circa 1940.
Jerry Helfand, as to 'brainwashing', you would benefit from reading the link about climate communication below, posted by Christy. Your argument with Olof's comment is confusing. To quote the Yale study,
'Natural gas is composed of 70-90% methane, a potent greenhouse gas and major contributor to global warming. The American public perceives “natural gas” much more favorably (76% favorable) than other fossil fuels like oil (51% ) or coal (39%). They also believe natural gas is much less harmful to human health than is coal or oil.
'How much does natural gas benefit from its name, which includes the word “natural”?'
Olof's post pointed to the public's lack of knowledge about what 'natural gas' is and, therefore, unaware of its major contribution to global warming.
Getting our facts straight and the use of language in that regard are paramount in rescuing earth and ourselves.
I read the link. Yes, I agree, though the new bits of info I learned from the comments is that many didn't know that natural gas is mostly methane with some other gasses of higher molecular weights. I didn't know that so many didn't know this fact. In that sense, I would agree that methane, which is provided in a much more pure form to households after gas processing, should be used. Consumers should know what they are using.
However, as we transition to a higher proportion of renewable sources within our total energy mix, we will continue as a species to require hydrocarbon based sources for decades to come, even as the transition accelerates. Vilifying a key source of energy while it is needed by humans to live is counterproductive.
From your reply, Jerry, it appears that you do not understand the nature of our dialogue having to do with how the use of language influences the opinion of people with regard to 'natural' gas. Commenters who replied to your 'argument' concerning Olof's lesson about the nomenclature for what is essentially methane gas recognize the importance of knowing what has been called 'natural' gas consists of. It makes a big difference. No one was 'vilifying' your claim, but took exception with you calling Olof, 'short-on-history and short-on-science and short-on-economics comment is due to brainwashing.' Several of us didn't take well to your incorrect assessment of Olof's teaching. 'Counterproductive', Jerry, so goes your resistance to an essential counterpoint.
Think of the gas as a product. That is how the industry set gas as a “bridge,” fuel to transition from coal without sacrificing comfort.
The Sierra Club even supported natural gas for years.
But the extraction of product itself destroys water quality surface and subsurface, in some areas conveys radioactive elements and just transmitting it to maintain normal comfort levels is destroying watershed integrity in many areas.
But the “natural,” term developed by the.industry does create benign even beneficial aura. Like mentholated filtered cigarettes are healthy.
Jerry Heifand, your comment was civil disagreement, until you decided to include that last paragraph: “ So, "Natural" is not greewashing. Your short-on-history and short-on-science and short-on-economics comment is due to brainwashing.” You may or may not have noticed that this discussion forum commenting on Professor Richardson’s letters is populated by intelligent people who respect one another. Commenters here do not insult one another (although we may indulge in humor at the expense of the forces of ignorant and hate out there in the world). Perhaps you would consider making amends to Olof for making several unwarranted characterizations of his level of knowledge.
Yep, and one of the major contributors of this Natural Gas (methane) in the atmosphere are Cow Farts. They've even made studies on its effect. Perhaps Sweden should become vegetarian to remedy this.
Hearng hamburger commercials I have begun to flinch. The EU has asked cattle and sheep farmers to grow more wheat to feed more people. I was visiting a farming friend in France from whose window I had always seen beasts and was instead seeing a wheat field. I learned why. (If I’m repeating this is these columns, please forgive.)
Elizabeth, with reference to methane, 'What is natural gas? Natural gas is a fossil energy source that formed deep beneath the earth's surface. Natural gas contains many different compounds. The largest component of natural gas is methane, a compound with one carbon atom and four hydrogen atoms (CH4). (USEnergyInformation)
Not terribly clever or amusing, and belies the lethal nature of the predicament we are in. Perhaps when the waters rise to your chin you'll reconsider the sarcasm.
Richard, you sound overly distressed about a comment, which does not in any way reflect my quite small carbon footprint. I don't own a carbon fueled car & ride a bike most of the time. Are you suffering from gas pains or something?
"a natural byproduct of a chemical process that long-burried and heated organic material undergoes. It will be produced naturally whether it's used by humans or not." So are not all fossil fuels "natural" in that meaning? The thing is not that fossil fuels are "produced" under ground, it's that we use them above ground. My post was a reply on the theme 'words matter'. Your arguments don't hold, and your straw men on 'science', 'history', 'economics', and brainwashing are irrelevant.
What Christy's Yale-link below tell about how people think about facts, depending on use of words, is just what I would call green-washing.
I have seen different figures on how much the shift from oil and gasoline to fossil gas has lowered the CO2-emissions in the US, 20-30%. The amount of leaks in the vast handling of methane, and their consequences on climate are of course difficult to estimate. I am not arguing that, on the contrary I see this powerful shift as yet another remarkable sign of American pragmatism. Confronted with the challenges of climate change, most of what I see happening is about technology and what is profitable. When it comes to the hard part, of people changing their habits, I am convinced words matter.
True, but that does not mean that a change in nomenclature wouldn't be beneficial to our coming to terms with it's nature, including it's downside. Our overuse of the resource has a toxic nature, belied by the term "natural." Global warming is natural in that it is the environments reaction to man-made CO2, but the consequences are a disaster, "natural" or not.
What bunk! Brainwashing??? And so it all begins, again. Around and around we spin. In the winter of our discontent is it a sweater or a web? Me thinks the elves are back. Fossil gas ! Refreshing, definitive , accurate. Natural gas okay too. As long as you go outside to purge these impulses I’m good with either.
Pat, global warming IS a clear and present danger. For all the doubters that abounded when Gore published an inconvenient truth, decades of research, most of it quite accurate, should have been enough to allay doubts. How to go about addressing the challenge is straightforward from the point of view of a straight comparison of climatic effects of various energy sources. However, when one considers the sheer scale of the needed transformation and the technical challenges that need to be overcome to achieve it, and considering the energy needed by billions of people worldwide to survive, the transition is simply not simple, easy, nor evenly implemented. Villifying the other side based on language nuances delays the cooperation and thus the solutions needed.
'nuances'! Have you ever heard of propaganda, disinformation, the 'subtle' use of 'nuances' in controlling the knowledge and behavior of the people?
'What is natural gas? Natural gas is a fossil energy source that formed deep beneath the earth's surface. Natural gas contains many different compounds. The largest component of natural gas is methane, a compound with one carbon atom and four hydrogen atoms (CH4). (USEnergyInformation)
So that means you are positively sold on going hell bent for better energy alternatives and I applaud your forward thinking, but while “Villifying the other side based on language nuances” you digress. Responsibility is terrifying, eh. You need not throw grenades at Olof for your logic to shine.
Actually, altho I am old and sometimes called a 'fossil' my farts are methane, a natural gas, same as the problematic natural gas that comes from the ground, first used by the Chinese in 500 BCE.
A-L My mother was born in Scotland and raised in Egypt, where my grandfather was director of customs under the Anglo-Egyptian Protectorate (until 1922), After the loss of India and much of the empire, Brexit was the final nail in the imperial empire.
Rob, for a good time ask Alexa to fart she will ask you what kind of fart. A big fart, a little fart, a squeaky fart, a juicy fart. If your little grandkids are around they’ll be rolling on the floor laughing. The variety is endless.
Grandkids are an easy audience. Back in the '90s I got my grandsons a book "Grossology" which explained every gross bodily function; poop, snot, stinky feet, farts etc. with illustrations. It even had a plastic vomit on the cover of the original. They loved it. I just got my great-grandson a copy, it is still in print (no plastic vomit tho).
In matters flatulatory, the odorless variety, long known affectionately as the "SBD" kind, "Silent But Deadly", are the worst. In a similar vein, apropos of nothing at all, I offer this charming little vignette of history:
Thank you, Olof, for your excellent point regarding the labeling of the fossil fuel called 'natural' gas. More on climate and energy follow.
'War scrambled the global energy landscape'. Excerpts from Climate Forward, NYTimes newsletter:
Russia used its fossil fuel riches to fund its invasion of Ukraine. It went on to use its oil and natural gas as a weapon, thoroughly upending the global energy landscape. The war drove up the prices of almost everything else that needs energy to be produced and shipped around the world, including, most alarmingly, food.
Europe faced a reckoning. Having relied so much on Russian gas for light and heat , European Union lawmakers scrambled in 2022 to find alternate sources of energy. The world’s gas producers were all too happy to comply, including the United States, the world’s largest gas exporter, which promised to ship liquefied natural gas for many years to come.
Watch what happens in 2023. Will Europe build more pipelines and more gas import terminals to lock in reliance on hydrocarbons for electricity and heat? Or will Russia’s war in Ukraine speed its shift to renewables?
The International Energy Agency said there were signs that the energy crisis could act as an “accelerant” to a clean energy transition, only to caution that “even in a world of high and volatile fossil fuel prices, it cannot be taken for granted that today’s cost advantages for clean, efficient equipment will translate into more sustainable investment choices.”
Oil and gas made a killing.
Even as the war laid out the strategic risks of relying on fossil fuels, oil and gas producers made record profits as demand surged for oil and gas from anywhere but Russia. Net income in the sector is expected to reach a record $4 trillion in 2022, double that of the previous year, according to the I.E.A. The consulting firm Deloitte has projected increases in natural gas investment in 2023.
Democracy delivered two tipping-point elections.
In May, Australians ousted the conservative coalition that had made one of the world’s most climate-vulnerable countries also among the most recalcitrant when it came to reducing its emissions of planet-warming gases. The new government, led by the Labor Party, passed a law requiring Australia to sharply cut its emissions by 2030 and then a budget to ramp up renewable energy.
In October, Brazilians rejected their incumbent, climate-science-denying president, Jair Bolsonaro. Newly elected Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva is to be inaugurated on Jan. 1. Reining in Amazon deforestation will be one of his biggest challenges.
The United States delivered a landmark law.
History’s biggest polluter finally passed big climate legislation, with big climate money attached.
The $370 billion package nudges businesses to shift to renewable energy and makes public money available for research into new climate innovations. “What we’re seeing is the green shoots of a new kind of industrial policy,” David Victor, a professor at the University of California, San Diego, said at a Brookings Institution event this month.
The big breakthrough at this year’s climate negotiations was an agreement to create a fund to help poor countries cope with the irreversible economic losses and damages made worse by the pollution spewed by wealthy nations. Expect calls in 2023 for real money.
The sun came through.
Something extraordinary happened amid so much suffering.
Solar power grew so fast that the I.E.A. concluded that it could outshine coal as the largest source of global electricity by 2027.
To be sure, coal use grew a bit this year, particularly in countries seeking to get off Russian oil and gas. But the direction of change was clear: Renewables are set to double in the 2022-27 period, as compared with the previous five years, and to surpass coal’s share of total energy by 2025.
Also, in December, researchers at the Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory cracked the code on what might eventually be a way to produce limitless, zero-carbon energy. Watch where this still-experimental nuclear fusion research goes next year, and beyond. (NYTimes-climate) See gifted article below.
Winding up the year with bathroom humor, perhaps the most universal jokes, as they are the oldest. For the best laughs, there’s Aristophanes and Rabelais.
I find it extremely ironic that by definition, Christ was a Liberal in his day. The Founding Father “Patriots” were Liberals in their times
Expressing this notion to the Cognitive Dissonance Crowd gives them Head Explodey Words mean things. History happened, no matter how much these knuckledraggers protest
Take back the meaning of words. Make them eat them
And “Radical” has not gotten adequate usage to describe the far right. I keep thinking of the Paris mob and Robespierre. But then that’s history, a subject unknown to far too many of US.
The other horror in today’s letter: that there was no one to meet the Bidens at the White House. Another Trump (your choice descriptive curse word here) fiasco.
When I heard this, I couldn't help but recall when Barack and Michelle opened the door to welcome Trump and Melania to the White House. Trump pushed in past the Obamas, leaving Melania standing alone on the stoop. The barest glance between the Obamas, and as one they stepped forward smiling to enclose Melania between them, and gently usher her in with them. The contrast is striking, but not surprising.
How about the press conference at Blenheim Palace? Standing beside his host, Prime Minister Theresa May, tfg said that he thought Boris Johnson would make an excellent Prime Minister. Or in Paris, on Bastille Day, during the presidential goodbyes, he said to the 64-year-old Brigitte Macron "You know, you're in such good shape." Then, to the President of France, "She's in such good shape!"
You must have seen that amazing Polish film, "Danton"? and seen his statue, which stands on the site of his house? "De l'audace, encore de l'audace, toujours de l'audace". He didn't know how quickly Maximilien would follow him.
Interesting, this conversation about "greenwashing."
The largest (arguably sole) contributor to global climate change is humans, and our current human civilization. It doesn't matter if we are burning wood, or burning oil, or burning methane, or burning Unobtanium (from the fictional world of Pandora in the film Avatar). We are, because of our numbers, changing the climate balance because we convert material resources in exponentially growing numbers without any (significant) natural predators. Our "natural predator" is becoming the air itself, along with the water and soil. And, of course, our own wars against ourselves, based on real and imaginary slights and shortages.
What do you think would be a new appropriate label for them? White Christian Nationalists is a label they proudly wear. It disgusts me, as a Christian, to see that term used in connection with these people whose values are so antithetical to Christ's message.
How about NAZIs (oops! they were National SOCIALISTS), or Neo-confederates? Or, just get down to brass tacks and call them the HBSK - Hate and Bull S%#t Kleptocracy, or simply 'Haters'. I see them as SLS - Stupid Lost Souls. Whatever we call them, they will spin it to their liking, just as happened with "Deplorables". Thanks. Pay scant attention to this post, it was mostly a cathartic (or more accurately an emetic) exercise for me.
I think "Nazi" and "Fascist" are accurate labels for any and all Republicans (those hiding under rocks hoping Trump goes away and those at his feet licking them).
1. Republicans use violence to get what they want.
2. Republicans bottom feed the human population to source their events for violence.
3. Republicans use name calling and demonization and dehumanization to get votes.
4. Republicans use threats to get what they want.
5. Republicans are in partnership with a Propaganda Machine Fox News to lie.
Agreed! I heard an acquaintance say the christian nationalists are just about protecting our own nation first before… and I cut her off. I couldn’t stomach the lip service to these evil people. They’ve presented themselves so closely tied to being Nazis, it’s time to call them what they are!
Mike, this is not a criticism of your comments, which note a good list of problems. Please read it as a reflection, if you will. I personally struggle with the use of the Nazi label as a shorthand expressing disgust with the cultural and political behavior that we find odious in others. Despite the ignorance and hatred being demonstrated by the extreme right wing base or the "principles-bereft" Repug politicians who seem desperately determined to cling to their cushy positions, this label may serve as an all too convenient shorthand for unacceptable policy and actions. In addition, it may constitute a profoundly insensitive cultural appropriation on our part. I am trying hard to break my own habit of referring to the hateful words and deeds, now bursting out of the cultural closet, with this awful shorthand of a label. We owe the victims and their families of that horrible stretch in Europe's and our own history, a deeper reverence/understanding for the profound generational suffering, not to mention, our own country’s all too reluctant recognition of “the right thing to do”. Surely we must resist turning the reference into a mere cheap political tool, a label, an accusation. Even MTG has appropriated the term with an imbecilic link of the mask mandates to Nazi like orders. While I object to excluding groups of humanity as a political tool, as much as the next reflective person, but I do not want to use "Nazis" as a epithet of all that's wrong about "them" and all that's right about "us". Surely we owe the memory of the millions who have suffered, a profound and “always conscious” awareness of the differences. Just a thought….. Perhaps fascism can serve? Perhaps something else? Perhaps I am overreacting?
You are not over reacting. Applying "Nazi" to the White Christian Nationalist movement does disservice to the millions of Jews who suffered and died under Hitler.
Current events have left us DESCRIBING behaviors with words we already know rather than creating new names. I've always thought Deplorables was an accurate descriptor.
Actually there is already a similar coined term. Everybody’s responses sent me looking to see what already might be out there. Christofascists is a simple and very self explanatory term.
I don't tie Christ-anything to the behaviors of this group. I see this is a branch of thinking that is not even based off of Christianity, just like ISIS is not following Islam and there should be some other term. Perhaps an all encompassing term that includes every group that pretends that they are following an established religion when their practices are not fitting with believers of that faith. I like the "Neopagan" term of the Southern Poverty Law Center. However, using the term "Pagan" was offensive to practitioners who are members of this group, so perhaps the term best used in anti-Christians.
It seems to me that there should be a large class action lawsuit against these groups for getting any religious status at all, and getting tax exempt status. It the Supreme Court is going to back this, let us make them really busy with defending right wing so called "Christian" groups from being able to be treated as religions. If the Supreme Court upholds that, then they will uphold anyone who claims to be having a religion. One can then just as easily say that one is a Christian group who believes that aborting unwanted babies is sanctified. In the freedom of the faith one gets to have abortions. The same with LGBTQ+, so that what they support then has to be spread to everyone. How about human sacrifice? That is basically what these White Power Militia groups are practicing by murdering people. Let us tie that into the abortion laws. Of course, if it just gets punted back to the states, then Texas will certainly accept murder of people by religious groups because it already does with its' gun laws. I recently read about a man accidentally killing a 9-year-old girl who was in her parents care in Texas, while trying to shoot someone who had robbed him. Apparently, he was justified in his actions, so no consequences for just murdering someone's child. I assume these priorities exist elsewhere too.
For me the point is that they vehemently identify as Christians. Ignoring their self identity which is central to their unity feels a bit like sticking my head in the sand and just hoping it will all go away because after all they aren’t “real” Christians.
I prefer not to call them Nazis, because Nazi suggests a degree of extremism and organization that I don’t think applies. I think Fascists is a better fit. I imagine Spain under Franco as their ideal, where everyone knows their place and church and state work together to enforce nationalism and the patriarchy.
Fascists. Look up the definition. Describes wealthy libertarians to a T.
James Buchanan wrote in his papers as discovered by Nancy MacLean in her book Democracy in Chains, that stealth would be required to implement the libertarian platform. He knew then if people knew the end results of the low to no taxes and regulation the people would reject them. Even the PACs funded by the Koch network today know this and it got publicized to their horror. The average libertarians and conservatives hang onto the philosophy of small government, freedom and liberty while refusing to see the endgame of no public schools, roads, police, hospitals, and more.
They also miss several points; as the infrastructure that supports their money grubbing lives crumbles due to lack of tax money for upkeep, and those people who work for their meager wages grow too indebted to buy their goods; there will be no roads to transport goods, no water for their customers to drink, no skilled employees to man their assembly lines and no one to cook the food they can’t procure
Libertarians can only exist AFTER someone else has filled the societal cookie jar; its like an annuity fund in depletion
Then you go “off grid”. I’m pretty sure most of them don’t plant gardens, raise meat, generate electricity or otherwise get their hands dirty. If some do, then good; let them practice individualism as a reality as opposed to the myth they embrace today
this statement: Libertarians can only exist AFTER someone else has filled the societal cookie jar; its like an annuity fund in depletion
I love this. So well stated.
While walking today, I thought of the ultimate hypocrisy is politics- libertarians working for the govt while undermining the very organization. They want no taxes, but take tax money for their compensation. They want no govt services, but happily benefit from them.
Dave - i am going to borrow your statement to use frequently!
They are Nazis. Plain and simple. And I join you in being sickened that the name Christian has been hijacked, as have words like evangelical or even quotes from Scripture. They have weaponized the words of Jesus whose repeated and final ask of his followers was that they love one another.
And “My words fly up, my thoughts remain below: Words without thoughts never to heaven go.” Hamlet, Sc III. That's what Shakespeare thought of "thoughts and prayers".
Hahaha… “I am humbled to receive this esteemed award. I’d like to thank my father, who gave me a love of language and word play, my mother, an artist who nurtured my creativity, my high school English teacher who challenged me…”
Wait, what social group or philosophy are we targetting here? Hmmm. Dumpster has spent his entire life using bullshit to prevail. Let’s take apart his methods:
BU = Beat Up? Born Ugly? Bully Underlings? Brutal Upbringing
BULL = Build Up Little Lies? Brought Up Lying? Brutal Upbringing Launches Loveless
S = Sleaze? Sucker? Sock? Savage? Sycophant? Self-Hating?
This does spell BULLSHITTER, but it’s unsatisfying, somehow hollow and trying too hard. I’ll have to think about it some more. Somebody else have at it!
Elizabeth Your mother and father would probably be proud of you. Others might wonder why you devote so much time to these bizarre word games. My dad would have found my bizarre humor tasteless and time wasting. Thus I am delighted to find you, a kindred soul, on LFAA. I know of no one who could have slithered from COWSHIT to BULLSHITSKY so smellily.
Pat Was that ‘Christ on a crunch’ eating Jesus gum balls? A modern day loaves and fishes parable? Sounds like a gathering of Christ-less evilgelicals. Oi vey, Mother of Mary, Allah u Akhbar.
Yep. Extremists no matter the belief system end up being very similar. It's why we need to look seriously at the fact that religion is the only socially sanctioned delusion. Extremists are delusional in that they believe they "know the truth" and use religion to justify any means to impose it on others. If we can finally acknowledge that accepting religion is not the same as accepting truth and in fact, people are drawn to versions of religion that is congruent with their psychology and serves their purposes.
Yours looks pretty appealing, too! A fellow teacher ate someone else’s lunch in the staff room because it was left unattended for a few minutes. He thought it was up for grabs. Made the weakest of apologies when the lunch’s owner returned. He thought it was fair game as nobody spoke up. So libertarian that he thought insurance was wrong. Everyone should “take responsibility” for their own.
Georgia PRACT members would be Pra(o)ctologists. Reminds me of the whirly bird, who flew in narrowing concentric circles until it flew up its own ass hole. Now I’m being asinine.
Carol I recall a fascinating documentary on the gradual whiting of Semite Jesus over centuries and, in the African Catholic Church, the darkening of Jesus more recently. Now there are Black Jesuses. Must be puzzling for Christ-less white suprematists.
Wonder why it took the Catholic Church ten centuries before they glorified the Virgin Mary, when it only took three centuries to condemn Mary Magdalene (discoverer of Jesus’s empty tomb) as a ‘whore.’
And to whom did Peter report when there were three Popes at the same time?
J I remember a movie from, I believe, the 1950s: THE GREATEST STORY EVER TOLD. I found it considerably more credible than Cecil B. De Millie’s THE TEN COMMANDANTS, which had some real whoppers based on a less-than-credible Biblical account.
Perhaps the most credible movie portrayal of Moses is in Singing in the Rain:
A-L Of course, a Semite Italian. In early Catholicism, the image of Jesus on the cross was not used, since it was not considered a good way to market a new religion. Of course this was long before Machiavelli,
Lynell, I am now on their site. I am not a Christian, but believe in all they so beautifully stated. Thank you for expanding my world. I live as part of a non-denominational ashram in western India. Meher Baba is our spiritual master (1894-1969) and he would have fully supported this group. He preached Love and Selfless Service as the only things that matter for us as human beings.
Jai Baba. My partner Jim & I were followers and made a couple of trips to Ahmednagar & Baba's Samadhi at Meherabad. This was in 1975 & 77. If interested in this personal history, I am at roboyte@att.net.
Morning Lynell, and thanks for that link. I am debating (internally) whether to engage in a "discussion" with my former colleagues. At the moment, I am disinclined, since one of them just posted an "everyone lies" defense of Santos. This is a former sergeant of mine, also a former pastor, defending that lsos (lying sack of 💩). I cannot fathom how they have sunk to where they've sunk.
Hey Ally, It’s so tempting to go to battle with those who are spouting gross
lies. But a better use of your precious life energy is giving support to those you agree with and giving support to those
who might be confused or undecided. For those on the far right it is all about power games and feeding their hate addiction. Stay away imho! Blessings, Ned
Agreed. Engaging with these folks has become a lot like playing chess with a pigeon. (obscure comparison, I know. But they do tend to knock over the pieces, poop on the board, and flap off claiming they've won...) I really hate giving them free rent in my head, so I've pretty much quit engaging.
Ah, Ally. Great post! And did you see that Trump called the insurrectionists “Trashy”? Here’s my response to Robert Hubbell for posting this little gem of info from the Jan 6 committee: “OMG - Trump called the insurrectionists “trashy”!!! What did he want - a lot of Prada wearing male fashion models who would look good at one of Ivanka’s lawn parties? To me this little anecdote says it all!!! I am anmazed and grossed out while also chortling with snarky laughter. Will Trump campaign on a platform of promising free upscale couture so his followers can show up to riots looking good and he can be proud of how they look? Steve Bannon looks pretty trashy to me. And just imagine how trashy Trump will look in his orange jump suit. Thank you, Robert, for highlighting this. Endless fun for late night comics and cartoonists! It hasn’t been this good since “cofveve”. We all need a good laugh in grim times.”
Ned, I'm an enormous fan of political cartoons--well, animation in general fascinates me--but my favorite cartoonist, prize-winning artist Mike Lukovich of the Atlanta Journal & Constitution, always draws Steve Bannon with flies buzzing around him, perhaps inferring Bannon as the P. O. S. that he is. Mike's most recent via Twitter:
What....camo isn't upscale??? And how about the guy with horns and face paint. The ones we see around here like the Proud Boys are dressed in their best military wannabe outfits and with all kinds of stuff hanging off them in addition to their weaponry.
I have to wonder if fpotus would have been more impressed if the proud boys had shown up in their “uniforms”. Since I can’t post a photo, I’ll link to an article about the kilt maker.
Having engaged briefly with a couple of your ex-colleagues, I would say they are not worth the energy and time it would take to type a response. Their beliefs are are the very reason that large segments of the population are wary of LE. All I saw was arrogance/hubris.
There was someone running in Oregon for political office some time ago who lied about himself. As I recall he went nowhere. No, not everyone lies on their resumes and in the voter's pamphlet. Oh yes, probably most of us have told a lie here and there, but not on the scale of Santos. I would be disinclined to take him on and I would hope you would save your energy for healing.
Yes, nothing he said was true....and then there is the $700000 he magically loaned the campaign when he was said to have lived a pretty challenged fiscal life prior. The big question, for me, is WHO or WHAT was behind that $700,000? Why would ANY lying, much less, indiscriminate lying on a resume be tolerated for a position as important as leading our country? Republicans and Democrats alike should be calling for recall in his district and we should all be crying out "FOUL!!"
Yes there are. Two of the best (another former sergeant and my best friend in the department) had great fun at briefing once. Dan and I had both gotten haircuts from his sister in law and our hair was roughly the same length (men had restrictions on length; women did not, and “extreme hairstyles” were forbidden to both genders.
Sarge looked at Dan and said “Olsen, your hair is too long. House your hair is too short”. We had a good laugh.
It was reassuring to see this website. Thank you. I can't sign it, because I am no longer a Christian. I left at age 13. But I have enormous respect for what each of those church leaders espoused. Very encouraging!
Another good group is "Faithful America" they are a group that is against Christian Nationalist and thru their being so out spoken, have really put up opposition that has made a difference in many cases. Although I am not a Christian, I support them.
I went to the site, but couldn't sign on to their statement because I don't identify as a Christian. I am a Buddhist. I was disappointed, but I guess it makes sense since they are CHRISTIANS against Christian nationalism.
I tried to sign it, but the site wouldn't accept my signature without my confirmation that I identify as Christian. I don't know how yours went through unless you checked the I identify as Christian box.
Exactly. Since there was other way to sign the statement, I checked I was a Christian. They should either give one a “no” option or state only Christians can sign. I left a comment to that effect….
I agree with you, Caroline. Words matter. Lies are not “alternative truths”, “embellishments” or any other comfortable malarkey. Lies are lies. And the radical white nationalists who call themselves Christians are not pushing religious freedom or anything else that even resembles Christianity. They need to called out for who and what they are, loudly, distinctly, and frequently. They are hateful and violent.
While enforcing 'white people's Christianity' is true of the 'the White Christian Nationalist wing of the Republican Party' it is only one part of racist right wing Catholic extremist and GOP power broker Leonard Leo's agenda - Leo is at the hub of the dark money network which is promoting and funding this enforcement. Especially through the judiciary.
Through the Becket Fund, for instance, Leo makes common cause with other religious extremists who are expanding the Freedom to Worship to mean "Freedom of religion protects the right of conscience, not just in houses of worship but in workplaces, schools, hospitals, government offices, and anywhere else we go in this world,” (Leonard Leo, 2017)
This misreading of the First Amendment is used by Leo's Supreme Court cons to overturn the Separation of Church and State to deny civil rights protections and legitimize discrimination against a wide range of minorities in America. Just as the cons misreading of the Second Amendment is saturating America with guns and fueling the epidemic of gun violence - of which Leo's GOP allies in Congress outlaw tracking by the NIH.
Your point is well taken. The form of religious theocracy the Republican party is attempting to institute is fascist and white nationalist. Chris Hedges has written deeply about this movement in this country.
The attempt by these far-right Christian fascists is an offense against the principle of separation of church and state. Their attempt to weaken this principle is a dire threat to the integrity of our democracy in this country.
Being Jewish this call for a Christian nation really disturbs me to the point I'd like to leave. My brother's family has achieved permanent residence in Canada but I don't qualify. The Republican message really has me fearful for the future.
I am not Jewish or Christian, but my child attends a school that has both Christian and Jewish holidays off. Even if you don't qualify for permanent residence in Canada right now, you might find a way to do this. I know that many families sent their children to university in Canada in 2016 as a reaction to Trump's getting married. However, I know it is hard to get Canadian citizenship and permission to work there. If the USA becomes a Christian nation you might be able to apply to Canada under a different status than you have currently applied.
Shellee, Don’t leave! Your voice is needed! Did you know there are lawsuits in some of the worst red states challenging the new, horrific abortion laws based on religious freedom: Jewish teaching says only at birth is the fetus a viable human being. If those suits hold, we can reverse the damage done by the craven erasure of Roe v. Wade. I am the daughter of a Jewish mother and very lapsed Catholic father. I chose Buddhism and other non-denominational spiritual paths and also feel threatened in the US, or anywhere antisemitism is taking hold again, very publicly. I also feel afraid for every Black person in America, every woman, every openly gay person, every “different” person. “Different” from the white supremacists’ idea of “acceptable”. Please stay and fight. None of us are alone.
Thank you. "Religion" does not even refer to Christianity; it could mean most any human spiritual practice. There is a much wider world out there where religion and Christianity are not synonymous at all, and I do wish writers--especially mainstream Christian writers in the US--would attend to that difference.
Christofascism is my term for White Christian Nationalism. But given our dominant cultures' careful avoidance of historical knowledge, I suppose "fascism" might not immediately bring to mind racial supremacism in the same way it does to me. White Christian Nationalist Fascism is redundant, but might get the point across.
I don't think this is Christian of any kind, except in the practicers imagination. Christofascism sounds like an oxymoron. Can the two be connected together? It can be religion, but not really Christian was all I was saying. It is just that they call it Christianity, but I don't think it fits the bill. I do not agree that just because people call themselves something makes them that thing. My mom and I were just discussing atheist Muslims yesterday. Is Islam a religion that accepts an atheistic viewpoint the way that some do? No! Therefore I think the two things rule each other out. Does following the teachings of Christ include misogyny and racism? Does it promote violence? No!
I do not care whether they are "really" Christian or not. They call themselves Christian, they believe they are Christian, and they would call most mainstream, liberal Christians false angels of light.
That is not my fight at all, since I am not Christian at all--except that part of the culture that I probably will always carry with me, having been brought up among these Christofascists.
They want to combine *their version* of Christianity with fascist authoritarianism, capitalist hyper-productivity, and private-sector-based efficiency in all things, especially violence.
The no-true-Scotsman fallacy is in fact a fallacy, and it applies here. It matters not one whit whether what they are doing is in harmony with your interpretation of the New Testament. They are still Christofascists.
If you have a problem with that, please take it to your local evangelicals and explain to them why they cannot use the term Christian to characterize themselves.
I call them pseudo "Christians." They are not really Christian, because the Bible does not make a case for White Supremacy. Also, they clearly don't believe in a God that is merciful and kind. Their God is racist and sexist. How does that make sense? So, given that they have a different God from the Christian God, I believe they really have a pagan religion worshiping "Whiteness and maleness."
Well, that is sadly ironic. I am so sorry you are using the word "pagan" above to describe Christians you dislike and disdain.
With a capital P, the word Pagan is normally used in modern times to identify polytheistic people who worship the Old Gods, like Zeus, Lugh, and Odin, along with a panoply of Goddesses, like Hera, Freyja, and Brighid.
That's exactly what kind of senior clergy I am. I am a Pagan priestess, devoted to the many Gods and Goddesses of antiquity. I have spent decades defending our rights to worship as we please in this country, despite the dislike and disdain most Christians dish on Paganism.
And with a small p, the word Pagan has now been used in a slur, in a thread my comment began. My cup runneth over with Christians fighting among each other for dominance over who gets to call themselves Christian.
It is so sad to see Christians refusing to admit that members of the Christian family of sects are Bad Actors in our country's political system. They call themselves Christians, yet other Christians say they are not Christians. Welcome to religious cognitive dissonance. You-all are ALL Christians. Police your ranks, but don't accuse Christians of being Pagans because you personally dislike the way they express their Christianity.
Why does anyone think the Founders staked our democracy firmly on separation of Church and State? They saw what happened in Europe between various Christian sects fighting over who was the REAL Christian, and wanted none of that nastiness to touch our secular democracy.
I did not mean offense to Pagans. I am using it in the sense that it is a religion based on perceived "ethnicity."
However, I am neither Christian or Pagan, although I have been called Pagan, so I am speaking about this based on my understanding of White Nationalist "Christianity" as being influenced by Norse mythology--Odinism.
I would have been more accurate to say heathen instead of pagan. I apologize and did not mean to be offensive, merely descriptive. I do not agree that this is all Christianity. You cannot just name something Christian and it is Christian. You have to follow agreed upon ideas of what Christ's teachings are. Odinism is not just a sect of Christianity, it is a set of beliefs that are incongruous with Christian teachings.
It is not descriptive of Christianity to call it Odinism. Odinism is a separate religious entity, and one that is distinctly unwelcome in most Pagan circles nationally, for the same reason that many Christians do not want to be associated with White Christo-Fascists
Most of Heathenry is not Odinism either. For example, my favorite Heathens are politically liberal, enthusiastically accepting of LGBTQIA people, and recognize the divinity of Loki, as long as they personally do not have to attend any of the Lokean Rites.
Meanwhile, people who profess Odinism are none of those things, ordinarily. People who call themselves Odinists are usually misogynist to the max, hate LGBTQIA people, and are generally clueless about ancient Norse Paganism. However, we Leftist Heathens do not go around saying the Odinists are not Heathen. They are just not our particular favorite kind of Heathen.
Honestly, the quibbling among Christians about who gets to call themselves Christian is what has led to numerous wars throughout history.
I think it's a bunch of phony double-talk for people to refuse to acknowledge that people with whom they deeply disagree politically are Christians. Christians are people who venerate Jesus and think he's a God, whatever whack-a-doo aspects of religion and religiosity they might profess.
People get to choose their religious label themselves in the Freedom of Religion scheme we have going here in the USA. No one is consulting you or any other experts in the finer points of doctrine when they claim their preferred religious label.
So you CAN in fact name yourself Christian and then you are a Christian. And it's sadly interesting and revealing that so many Christians try to deny that so many Christians are downright evil.
All anyone has to do is look at the Nazis: all of the Nazis were Christians, and prayed to Jesus on Sunday while committing genocide against European Jewry, LGBTQIA people, the disabled, and Jehovah's Witnesses, who are fellow Christians, the other six days of the week. Massive hypocrites, yes, the Nazis were massive hypocrites. And yes, the Nazis were also Christians.
In the USA, we never really know who is what kind of religion unless we know a person personally. So "I did not mean to be offensive," is simply not good enough. It's a better idea to consider not calling Christians who are hateful by another religion's name entirely. Would you have written, "those people aren't really Christians, they are Hindus..... or Jews.... or, gasp, Unitarians...."
I hope you've learned a lesson from calling Christians "pagan" in a public forum. Your apology is accepted, thank you.
And here's an article for you, on what Christians did once they gained power in the 3rd century of the common era. Christians lie about that particular time period a great deal. The article is from 2010, but the events were in the 3rd century, so the date does not matter.
I am wondering if you know what paganism is. Or if you know that the Catholic church usurped the festivals and ceremonies of the practitioners of paganism - Saturnalia became Christmas. Here is more. For me, there is no place more ¨holy¨ than nature where the presence of a mystery greater than any human can describe can be felt and the responsibility for the care understood. Also remember the tortures and murders (the Crusade, the Inquisition, Queen Elizabeth I, Salem witch trials, etc.) all fine Christians. https://bigthink.com/the-present/pagan-roots-of-catholicism/
I don't know as a practitioner, and I know that on the outside one never truly understands. I have had feminist friends who are self proclaimed Pagans, and because I am not Christian I have been called both Pagan and Heathen by people, but it is more complex than that. I presume you did not read my links or you would have seen that I am going by the definition of Paganism that I posted. It would include the elements of the White Supremacist so called Christianity that I have discussed. I would point out that in the Salon article that John posted called "Christian fascism is right here, right now: After roe, can we finally see it?" the author, Chris Hedges, a theologian also says that the Christian fascist movement has elements of paganism in it.
Worship of Odin and using the Nazi Hakenkreutz (Swastica) are historically pagan practices. I am not the only one to use the word Pagan, to describe the elements of the so called White Supremacist Movement. The Southern Poverty Law Center calls it Neo-Paganism, which is perhaps the term I should have used.
If you read Prof Kathleen Belews book, Bring the War Home: The White Power Movement and Paramilitary America she says that there was a merging of the White Power Militia groups and the White Evangelical Church in the 1990s after the Oklahoma City bombing of the Federal building, but these elements of Odinism are mixed in.
I am sorry that using the word Pagan to apply to bad people was so distracting that many could not see the substance of what I was saying. This is cultural appropriation, but I have no problems with people taking from cultures the elements that they like. What I am saying, which is why I removed the word Pagan, and said I would replace it with Heathen, is that Christianity follows the teachings of Christ. Racism, sexism, homophobia anti-immigrant stances are not part of the teachings of Christ and therefore even if someone calls themselves "Christian," if they embrace these ideas I call it "pseudo Christianity." And yes, I do know about the repression of the Catholic church as an outsider, and the Spanish Inquisition, the Crusades, the Salem witch trials etc... I live in a religiously diverse community in which families are mixed by color, country, language as well as religion. Good friends are Ottoman historians and I know about the fate of Muslims and Jews under Isabella and Ferdinand, although Kristin Downey implies that Isabella had less influence than her priest and husband over the treatment of both the Indigenous people here, and in the Inquisition in Europe, in her book Isabella: The Warrior Queen, which I read aloud to my daughter who was in middle school at the time. I also know that the Ottoman Empire welcomed Jews and Muslims who were in danger in Spain and other parts of Europe during this time and was in that way a very tolerant society. At the same time, Pagan is a term applied by Christians to those who did not worship one God, and yes, Odinism has elements of worship of Nature, but their ideas of nature might be different from yours. They might see nature as forcing women to have babies when they don't want them because their pregnancy was a natural occurrence. They might be living off the land, and hunting and fishing. A friend who is an aquatic eco-biologist worked on conservation projects up in the Pacific Northwest and was telling me about colleagues she had who felt that a Black man working with them should leave because he makes "people uncomfortable." and everyone who makes people uncomfortable should just go. This woman was into nature and had a form of racist Christianity. Many things can go from good to bad with a slight twist, so you can share some things as a Pagan in common with White Supremacists. From having learned about why Martin Luther left the Catholic Church and what aspects of it he found untenable, like the selling of letters that would absolve people of their sins in heaven known in German as Ablassbriefte (Letters of Indulgence), I understand the historical corruption in the Catholic Church. In seventh grade we studied Judaism, Islam, Christianity, Hinduism, and Buddhism in school as part of our Social Studies curriculum. I think back then it was billed as "world religions", and this covered most of who was in our school other than the sizable Secular population. Later on, I ran a group which looked at minority religions in the school, and tried to be more aware of how the school could accommodate them, such as the food needs of people practicing Jainism, or scheduling tests during times of fasting in Islamic religions or the Christian Orthodox church and their different calendars.
I don't know where they get their ideas about "Christianity," but it sure ain't from any Bible based on the original New Testament. Or even the Old Testament. Seems more like rule by high priest warlord.
Dear Professor Cox Richardson,
I think the White Christian Nationalist wing of the Republican party should be named and shamed. Instead, you just wrote about "enforcing religion." I think the language you chose is too mild.
It's not just "religion" they want to enforce, it's a particular variety of white people's Christianity. They are White Christian Nationalists bent on shaping our laws and our public sphere to fit their religious doctrines. This, in a supposedly secular nation, is offensive and illegal, even unconstitutional.
So calling it "religion" is like George Santos calling his pack of lies "resume embellishment", in my world.
I am senior clergy in a minority faith, and have been a religious rights activist for decades, so it's a sensitive issue to me personally. Thank you for considering my point.
Blessings on your work.
I agree with you wholeheartedly. What they are doing is NOT following Christ. I saw a quote a few days ago - maybe on here somewhere - that said instead of fighting to put Christ back in Christmas, let’s fight to put Christ back in Christian. Better words were never spoken!
Dianna Beers "I saw a quote a few days ago - maybe on here somewhere - that said instead of fighting to put Christ back in Christmas, let’s fight to put Christ back in Christian."
Just to add on:
“𝘗𝘶𝘵 𝘊𝘩𝘳𝘪𝘴𝘵 𝘣𝘢𝘤𝘬 𝘪𝘯 𝘊𝘩𝘳𝘪𝘴𝘵𝘪𝘢𝘯.” Gosh, I wish I’d have come up with that. I didn’t. The author is lost to me, but I saw it sometime this week on social media somewhere.
“𝘗𝘶𝘵 𝘊𝘩𝘳𝘪𝘴𝘵 𝘣𝘢𝘤𝘬 𝘪𝘯 𝘊𝘩𝘳𝘪𝘴𝘵𝘪𝘢𝘯.” Whew. That’s strong stuff, folks. It may have come from those who oppose the trite “𝘗𝘶𝘵 𝘊𝘩𝘳𝘪𝘴𝘵 𝘣𝘢𝘤𝘬 𝘪𝘯 𝘊𝘩𝘳𝘪𝘴𝘵𝘮𝘢𝘴” because Starbucks has red holiday cups that don’t have a Crèche or a Christian Cross or a pagan-inspired Christmas tree on the front. Who knows? --Joey Kennedy, Alabama Political Reporter
https://www.alreporter.com/2015/11/18/put-christ-back-in-christian/
They would oppose the Jesus of the first three Gospels even he walked on water across the Potomac.
Christ would have been surprised that he is worshipped as a god (or more correctly, demi-god.) Every historic attempt to reform Christianity has failed, because the the institution of a church always survives. It's one saving grace is Christ's spiritual message of love, not a religious worship of a "Christ" that never existed.
Great idea! Somehow they have put their "idea of Christ" in "Christian" and removed the real Christ that is told of in the bible!
Not only are they not following Christ, they represent what disgusted Jesus the most--hypocrisy. When I found out that trump had won the presidency and I fervently asked God to allow the GOP to self-implode, not only did I not expect Him to answer my prayer so cleverly, but as He always does, to best it! The infighting has already begun in earnest and will continue breaking up in smaller and smaller groups until everybody is against each other. And then out of nowhere George Santos, a guy who reflects the GOP psychosis to a T, appears to pissoff his constintuents and further divide, divide, divide. It's all so divinely delightful!
In a lot of ways I agree Caroline. Words matter. Witness just for one for instance, the hatchet job (deviously brilliant execution) the far right has done on just one word: Liberal. Repeating it over and over again, associating it with 'anything' wrong and a direction the wrongs come from - over and over for decades till the media even picks it up and repeats it completely out of any contextual meaning and truth. Now it's parroted as synonymous with far extreme outcomes of communism, socialism, etc., which as we know and history shows has been the prime highway for autocracies. Parroting the falsehoods and all the while enjoying the fruits of a liberal democracy, chock full of requisite checks and balances, which the hard rightist's are hard at work destabilizing.
First time today in Swedish media I notice 'fossil gas' is called by it's real name, instead of 'natural gas'. That was in connection with Finland opening a LNG terminal to import gas replacing Russian gas. 'natural gas' is green washing and there has been a long time waiting for words to change.
Sorry to argue, Olof, but I must dissent. "Natural gas" is just that, a natural byproduct of a chemical process that long-burried and heated organic material undergoes. It will be produced naturally whether it's used by humans or not. It was called that before the alarms about global warming started ringing. It IS natural, though now we know that it's use needs to be minimized.
So, "Natural" is not greewashing. Your short-on-history and short-on-science and short-on-economics comment is due to brainwashing.
I am absolutely shocked that in HCR posts that someone resorts to name calling and demeaning (brainwashed)! It’s fine you have an opinion on various topics (although it seems the article below sort of blows that up a tad), but this forum, for me, is for educated discussions and not the sort of divisive rhetoric we find elsewhere.
You are exactly right. Ad hominem is not welcome here. It’s condescending and divisive. Shuts off thoughtful communication. Thanks for calling you like you (and I) see it.
For anyone’s reading pleasure. Interesting conversation. I had to go take a look. https://climatecommunication.yale.edu/publications/should-it-be-called-natural-gas-or-methane/
Thanks, Christy, for pointing us to this fascinating Yale Study on the terms natural gas and methane options. Seems "natural" has a positive response vs. methane. Didn't know that 70%+- percent of natural gas is methane.
Sandra, there is a good analysis & update on "natural" gas venting & flaring authored by Nicole, Zoha & Sarah at insideclimatenews.org. on 2/25/2022. Attention LFAA Authors: the subject is worthy of book length treatment including a chapter on old Fred C. Koch circa 1940.
Excellent information in the link you posted about climate communication and the factual meaning of 'natural gas'. Thank you, Christy.
Jerry Helfand, as to 'brainwashing', you would benefit from reading the link about climate communication below, posted by Christy. Your argument with Olof's comment is confusing. To quote the Yale study,
'Natural gas is composed of 70-90% methane, a potent greenhouse gas and major contributor to global warming. The American public perceives “natural gas” much more favorably (76% favorable) than other fossil fuels like oil (51% ) or coal (39%). They also believe natural gas is much less harmful to human health than is coal or oil.
'How much does natural gas benefit from its name, which includes the word “natural”?'
Olof's post pointed to the public's lack of knowledge about what 'natural gas' is and, therefore, unaware of its major contribution to global warming.
Getting our facts straight and the use of language in that regard are paramount in rescuing earth and ourselves.
I read the link. Yes, I agree, though the new bits of info I learned from the comments is that many didn't know that natural gas is mostly methane with some other gasses of higher molecular weights. I didn't know that so many didn't know this fact. In that sense, I would agree that methane, which is provided in a much more pure form to households after gas processing, should be used. Consumers should know what they are using.
However, as we transition to a higher proportion of renewable sources within our total energy mix, we will continue as a species to require hydrocarbon based sources for decades to come, even as the transition accelerates. Vilifying a key source of energy while it is needed by humans to live is counterproductive.
From your reply, Jerry, it appears that you do not understand the nature of our dialogue having to do with how the use of language influences the opinion of people with regard to 'natural' gas. Commenters who replied to your 'argument' concerning Olof's lesson about the nomenclature for what is essentially methane gas recognize the importance of knowing what has been called 'natural' gas consists of. It makes a big difference. No one was 'vilifying' your claim, but took exception with you calling Olof, 'short-on-history and short-on-science and short-on-economics comment is due to brainwashing.' Several of us didn't take well to your incorrect assessment of Olof's teaching. 'Counterproductive', Jerry, so goes your resistance to an essential counterpoint.
Think of the gas as a product. That is how the industry set gas as a “bridge,” fuel to transition from coal without sacrificing comfort.
The Sierra Club even supported natural gas for years.
But the extraction of product itself destroys water quality surface and subsurface, in some areas conveys radioactive elements and just transmitting it to maintain normal comfort levels is destroying watershed integrity in many areas.
But the “natural,” term developed by the.industry does create benign even beneficial aura. Like mentholated filtered cigarettes are healthy.
Vilifying (which is also counterproductive).
Jerry Heifand, your comment was civil disagreement, until you decided to include that last paragraph: “ So, "Natural" is not greewashing. Your short-on-history and short-on-science and short-on-economics comment is due to brainwashing.” You may or may not have noticed that this discussion forum commenting on Professor Richardson’s letters is populated by intelligent people who respect one another. Commenters here do not insult one another (although we may indulge in humor at the expense of the forces of ignorant and hate out there in the world). Perhaps you would consider making amends to Olof for making several unwarranted characterizations of his level of knowledge.
Yep, and one of the major contributors of this Natural Gas (methane) in the atmosphere are Cow Farts. They've even made studies on its effect. Perhaps Sweden should become vegetarian to remedy this.
Perhaps America should. This country is the worlds largest contributor of cow flatulence.
And the flatulence that comes from the mouths of the Republican Party. (Sorry, a slightly vulgar post.)
Hearng hamburger commercials I have begun to flinch. The EU has asked cattle and sheep farmers to grow more wheat to feed more people. I was visiting a farming friend in France from whose window I had always seen beasts and was instead seeing a wheat field. I learned why. (If I’m repeating this is these columns, please forgive.)
Another major sorce of methane is the melting of the "Frozen Tundra" ( not in Green Bay ) in the not-so-Permafrost in the Artic.
It’s actually mostly cow burps, rather than farts, that contain the methane: https://climate.nasa.gov/faq/33/which-is-a-bigger-methane-source-cow-belching-or-cow-flatulence/
Umm...how are they harvested (from whichever end of the animal)?
Elizabeth, with reference to methane, 'What is natural gas? Natural gas is a fossil energy source that formed deep beneath the earth's surface. Natural gas contains many different compounds. The largest component of natural gas is methane, a compound with one carbon atom and four hydrogen atoms (CH4). (USEnergyInformation)
As well as their burps...cows, that is.
Not terribly clever or amusing, and belies the lethal nature of the predicament we are in. Perhaps when the waters rise to your chin you'll reconsider the sarcasm.
Richard, you sound overly distressed about a comment, which does not in any way reflect my quite small carbon footprint. I don't own a carbon fueled car & ride a bike most of the time. Are you suffering from gas pains or something?
"a natural byproduct of a chemical process that long-burried and heated organic material undergoes. It will be produced naturally whether it's used by humans or not." So are not all fossil fuels "natural" in that meaning? The thing is not that fossil fuels are "produced" under ground, it's that we use them above ground. My post was a reply on the theme 'words matter'. Your arguments don't hold, and your straw men on 'science', 'history', 'economics', and brainwashing are irrelevant.
What Christy's Yale-link below tell about how people think about facts, depending on use of words, is just what I would call green-washing.
I have seen different figures on how much the shift from oil and gasoline to fossil gas has lowered the CO2-emissions in the US, 20-30%. The amount of leaks in the vast handling of methane, and their consequences on climate are of course difficult to estimate. I am not arguing that, on the contrary I see this powerful shift as yet another remarkable sign of American pragmatism. Confronted with the challenges of climate change, most of what I see happening is about technology and what is profitable. When it comes to the hard part, of people changing their habits, I am convinced words matter.
True, but that does not mean that a change in nomenclature wouldn't be beneficial to our coming to terms with it's nature, including it's downside. Our overuse of the resource has a toxic nature, belied by the term "natural." Global warming is natural in that it is the environments reaction to man-made CO2, but the consequences are a disaster, "natural" or not.
The snarkyness is uncalled for.
Frankly, I have to say that the snarkiness produced by this topic is something I've never encountered before on this forum.
What bunk! Brainwashing??? And so it all begins, again. Around and around we spin. In the winter of our discontent is it a sweater or a web? Me thinks the elves are back. Fossil gas ! Refreshing, definitive , accurate. Natural gas okay too. As long as you go outside to purge these impulses I’m good with either.
Pat, global warming IS a clear and present danger. For all the doubters that abounded when Gore published an inconvenient truth, decades of research, most of it quite accurate, should have been enough to allay doubts. How to go about addressing the challenge is straightforward from the point of view of a straight comparison of climatic effects of various energy sources. However, when one considers the sheer scale of the needed transformation and the technical challenges that need to be overcome to achieve it, and considering the energy needed by billions of people worldwide to survive, the transition is simply not simple, easy, nor evenly implemented. Villifying the other side based on language nuances delays the cooperation and thus the solutions needed.
'nuances'! Have you ever heard of propaganda, disinformation, the 'subtle' use of 'nuances' in controlling the knowledge and behavior of the people?
'What is natural gas? Natural gas is a fossil energy source that formed deep beneath the earth's surface. Natural gas contains many different compounds. The largest component of natural gas is methane, a compound with one carbon atom and four hydrogen atoms (CH4). (USEnergyInformation)
So that means you are positively sold on going hell bent for better energy alternatives and I applaud your forward thinking, but while “Villifying the other side based on language nuances” you digress. Responsibility is terrifying, eh. You need not throw grenades at Olof for your logic to shine.
Speaking of language nuances, it's "vilifying".
vilifying
Excellent comment. Thank you.
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Actually, altho I am old and sometimes called a 'fossil' my farts are methane, a natural gas, same as the problematic natural gas that comes from the ground, first used by the Chinese in 500 BCE.
Rob Were I a Brit, I would offer you a fart(h)ing for your methane.
I am/was a Brit, and since Brexit I wouldn't give you a penny for it. :)
A-L My mother was born in Scotland and raised in Egypt, where my grandfather was director of customs under the Anglo-Egyptian Protectorate (until 1922), After the loss of India and much of the empire, Brexit was the final nail in the imperial empire.
Rob, for a good time ask Alexa to fart she will ask you what kind of fart. A big fart, a little fart, a squeaky fart, a juicy fart. If your little grandkids are around they’ll be rolling on the floor laughing. The variety is endless.
Grandkids are an easy audience. Back in the '90s I got my grandsons a book "Grossology" which explained every gross bodily function; poop, snot, stinky feet, farts etc. with illustrations. It even had a plastic vomit on the cover of the original. They loved it. I just got my great-grandson a copy, it is still in print (no plastic vomit tho).
Prior to the Victorian era, this humor was enjoyed by all, young and old. Private correspondence is full of it.
Anyone who saw "Fanny and Alexander" will recall the scene where this is demonstrated (grandkids and all).
Great movie!!
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Lucky you, to have odorless farts. LOL. “Natural gas is an ODORLESS, gaseous mixture of hydrocarbons—predominantly made up of methane (CH4).”
Just kidding!
In matters flatulatory, the odorless variety, long known affectionately as the "SBD" kind, "Silent But Deadly", are the worst. In a similar vein, apropos of nothing at all, I offer this charming little vignette of history:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Le_P%C3%A9tomane
Talk about killer party tricks!!
All true! Thanks for that Wiki gem. ("A Passing Wind"!)
Thank you, Olof, for your excellent point regarding the labeling of the fossil fuel called 'natural' gas. More on climate and energy follow.
'War scrambled the global energy landscape'. Excerpts from Climate Forward, NYTimes newsletter:
Russia used its fossil fuel riches to fund its invasion of Ukraine. It went on to use its oil and natural gas as a weapon, thoroughly upending the global energy landscape. The war drove up the prices of almost everything else that needs energy to be produced and shipped around the world, including, most alarmingly, food.
Europe faced a reckoning. Having relied so much on Russian gas for light and heat , European Union lawmakers scrambled in 2022 to find alternate sources of energy. The world’s gas producers were all too happy to comply, including the United States, the world’s largest gas exporter, which promised to ship liquefied natural gas for many years to come.
Watch what happens in 2023. Will Europe build more pipelines and more gas import terminals to lock in reliance on hydrocarbons for electricity and heat? Or will Russia’s war in Ukraine speed its shift to renewables?
The International Energy Agency said there were signs that the energy crisis could act as an “accelerant” to a clean energy transition, only to caution that “even in a world of high and volatile fossil fuel prices, it cannot be taken for granted that today’s cost advantages for clean, efficient equipment will translate into more sustainable investment choices.”
Oil and gas made a killing.
Even as the war laid out the strategic risks of relying on fossil fuels, oil and gas producers made record profits as demand surged for oil and gas from anywhere but Russia. Net income in the sector is expected to reach a record $4 trillion in 2022, double that of the previous year, according to the I.E.A. The consulting firm Deloitte has projected increases in natural gas investment in 2023.
Democracy delivered two tipping-point elections.
In May, Australians ousted the conservative coalition that had made one of the world’s most climate-vulnerable countries also among the most recalcitrant when it came to reducing its emissions of planet-warming gases. The new government, led by the Labor Party, passed a law requiring Australia to sharply cut its emissions by 2030 and then a budget to ramp up renewable energy.
In October, Brazilians rejected their incumbent, climate-science-denying president, Jair Bolsonaro. Newly elected Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva is to be inaugurated on Jan. 1. Reining in Amazon deforestation will be one of his biggest challenges.
The United States delivered a landmark law.
History’s biggest polluter finally passed big climate legislation, with big climate money attached.
The $370 billion package nudges businesses to shift to renewable energy and makes public money available for research into new climate innovations. “What we’re seeing is the green shoots of a new kind of industrial policy,” David Victor, a professor at the University of California, San Diego, said at a Brookings Institution event this month.
The big breakthrough at this year’s climate negotiations was an agreement to create a fund to help poor countries cope with the irreversible economic losses and damages made worse by the pollution spewed by wealthy nations. Expect calls in 2023 for real money.
The sun came through.
Something extraordinary happened amid so much suffering.
Solar power grew so fast that the I.E.A. concluded that it could outshine coal as the largest source of global electricity by 2027.
To be sure, coal use grew a bit this year, particularly in countries seeking to get off Russian oil and gas. But the direction of change was clear: Renewables are set to double in the 2022-27 period, as compared with the previous five years, and to surpass coal’s share of total energy by 2025.
Also, in December, researchers at the Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory cracked the code on what might eventually be a way to produce limitless, zero-carbon energy. Watch where this still-experimental nuclear fusion research goes next year, and beyond. (NYTimes-climate) See gifted article below.
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/12/30/climate/climate-2023.html?unlocked_article_code=XFeanH8FQrEw9soTiOOJg4MwJWAEcshTZFfQu14hXjbsP4WE1DCNG5Ix0JC88EaGhExrdyAa7BABKHAwBEzZlrznnFCX6yTwt8XceasEyyXzCVFkQQk1XZVmpRItHQCTKBcv8UOPGbzosRQyqz-_Go6bMhZX-CgJa7S6s6R9l1ppp5HWOWN3ZK3uRY8X5yzOladSQnskPX6b5fmEEkmbGYow0EcCPZ9nj7sIXnGWRIH2XzJRtx1SUWzMLBLYBx5knMOE_ksrmtxhTvdswTotSwQgsoi0FdiRVVAB1mbJi5fjjbfOuZTQaGcB4nzQmgPmJ7idKzyG&smid=share-url
Winding up the year with bathroom humor, perhaps the most universal jokes, as they are the oldest. For the best laughs, there’s Aristophanes and Rabelais.
Not much time left this year for research: quotations, please?
Frank Luntz taught them that words matter, even more than Lee Atwater did. It goes way back…
Glad someone remembers him for his screwing up our country.
I find it extremely ironic that by definition, Christ was a Liberal in his day. The Founding Father “Patriots” were Liberals in their times
Expressing this notion to the Cognitive Dissonance Crowd gives them Head Explodey Words mean things. History happened, no matter how much these knuckledraggers protest
Take back the meaning of words. Make them eat them
And “Radical” has not gotten adequate usage to describe the far right. I keep thinking of the Paris mob and Robespierre. But then that’s history, a subject unknown to far too many of US.
The other horror in today’s letter: that there was no one to meet the Bidens at the White House. Another Trump (your choice descriptive curse word here) fiasco.
When I heard this, I couldn't help but recall when Barack and Michelle opened the door to welcome Trump and Melania to the White House. Trump pushed in past the Obamas, leaving Melania standing alone on the stoop. The barest glance between the Obamas, and as one they stepped forward smiling to enclose Melania between them, and gently usher her in with them. The contrast is striking, but not surprising.
I recall that. Their graciousness is very much a part of their legacy.
That was the most pathetic move by tfg! My teeth almost feel out.
Walking ahead of Queen Elizabeth was a close contender.
Feeding the athletes fast-food burgers.
So many pathetic moves.
How about the press conference at Blenheim Palace? Standing beside his host, Prime Minister Theresa May, tfg said that he thought Boris Johnson would make an excellent Prime Minister. Or in Paris, on Bastille Day, during the presidential goodbyes, he said to the 64-year-old Brigitte Macron "You know, you're in such good shape." Then, to the President of France, "She's in such good shape!"
Virginia, not a fiasco. It was a deliberate #%&@ slap in the face from the thg family to the Biden family.
We all saw that painful moment. Really made me angry about the pettiness of the previous guys.
Listen to Jason Stanel this morning and his statements were chilling. The continuing Orbranization of America. Scary.
You must have seen that amazing Polish film, "Danton"? and seen his statue, which stands on the site of his house? "De l'audace, encore de l'audace, toujours de l'audace". He didn't know how quickly Maximilien would follow him.
Interesting, this conversation about "greenwashing."
The largest (arguably sole) contributor to global climate change is humans, and our current human civilization. It doesn't matter if we are burning wood, or burning oil, or burning methane, or burning Unobtanium (from the fictional world of Pandora in the film Avatar). We are, because of our numbers, changing the climate balance because we convert material resources in exponentially growing numbers without any (significant) natural predators. Our "natural predator" is becoming the air itself, along with the water and soil. And, of course, our own wars against ourselves, based on real and imaginary slights and shortages.
What do you think would be a new appropriate label for them? White Christian Nationalists is a label they proudly wear. It disgusts me, as a Christian, to see that term used in connection with these people whose values are so antithetical to Christ's message.
How about NAZIs (oops! they were National SOCIALISTS), or Neo-confederates? Or, just get down to brass tacks and call them the HBSK - Hate and Bull S%#t Kleptocracy, or simply 'Haters'. I see them as SLS - Stupid Lost Souls. Whatever we call them, they will spin it to their liking, just as happened with "Deplorables". Thanks. Pay scant attention to this post, it was mostly a cathartic (or more accurately an emetic) exercise for me.
Steve,
I think "Nazi" and "Fascist" are accurate labels for any and all Republicans (those hiding under rocks hoping Trump goes away and those at his feet licking them).
1. Republicans use violence to get what they want.
2. Republicans bottom feed the human population to source their events for violence.
3. Republicans use name calling and demonization and dehumanization to get votes.
4. Republicans use threats to get what they want.
5. Republicans are in partnership with a Propaganda Machine Fox News to lie.
If that is not a Nazi, I do not know what is.
Agreed! I heard an acquaintance say the christian nationalists are just about protecting our own nation first before… and I cut her off. I couldn’t stomach the lip service to these evil people. They’ve presented themselves so closely tied to being Nazis, it’s time to call them what they are!
"America First" was minted on coins put out by the KKK.
Someday, more ppl may start appropriately calling it The Repugnant Party.
As I've been doing for years..
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Mike, this is not a criticism of your comments, which note a good list of problems. Please read it as a reflection, if you will. I personally struggle with the use of the Nazi label as a shorthand expressing disgust with the cultural and political behavior that we find odious in others. Despite the ignorance and hatred being demonstrated by the extreme right wing base or the "principles-bereft" Repug politicians who seem desperately determined to cling to their cushy positions, this label may serve as an all too convenient shorthand for unacceptable policy and actions. In addition, it may constitute a profoundly insensitive cultural appropriation on our part. I am trying hard to break my own habit of referring to the hateful words and deeds, now bursting out of the cultural closet, with this awful shorthand of a label. We owe the victims and their families of that horrible stretch in Europe's and our own history, a deeper reverence/understanding for the profound generational suffering, not to mention, our own country’s all too reluctant recognition of “the right thing to do”. Surely we must resist turning the reference into a mere cheap political tool, a label, an accusation. Even MTG has appropriated the term with an imbecilic link of the mask mandates to Nazi like orders. While I object to excluding groups of humanity as a political tool, as much as the next reflective person, but I do not want to use "Nazis" as a epithet of all that's wrong about "them" and all that's right about "us". Surely we owe the memory of the millions who have suffered, a profound and “always conscious” awareness of the differences. Just a thought….. Perhaps fascism can serve? Perhaps something else? Perhaps I am overreacting?
K Barnes
You are not over reacting. Applying "Nazi" to the White Christian Nationalist movement does disservice to the millions of Jews who suffered and died under Hitler.
Current events have left us DESCRIBING behaviors with words we already know rather than creating new names. I've always thought Deplorables was an accurate descriptor.
So did they - and they elected Trump.
Perhaps you have a point.
But. What would you call a Nazi BEFORE they sponsored the camps?
Actually there is already a similar coined term. Everybody’s responses sent me looking to see what already might be out there. Christofascists is a simple and very self explanatory term.
https://newtranscendentalist.medium.com/christofascism-by-dorothee-s%C3%B6lle-633273379b68
I've been using Christofascist for a while.
I don't tie Christ-anything to the behaviors of this group. I see this is a branch of thinking that is not even based off of Christianity, just like ISIS is not following Islam and there should be some other term. Perhaps an all encompassing term that includes every group that pretends that they are following an established religion when their practices are not fitting with believers of that faith. I like the "Neopagan" term of the Southern Poverty Law Center. However, using the term "Pagan" was offensive to practitioners who are members of this group, so perhaps the term best used in anti-Christians.
https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/intelligence-report/2001/swedish-academic-mattias-gardell-discusses-rise-neo-paganism-america
https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch/2008/10/31/tales-creeps-white-nationalist-horror-story
https://hedayah.com/app/uploads/2021/09/2021MAR2_CARR-Hedayah-Project-US-Country-Report_Final.pdf
It seems to me that there should be a large class action lawsuit against these groups for getting any religious status at all, and getting tax exempt status. It the Supreme Court is going to back this, let us make them really busy with defending right wing so called "Christian" groups from being able to be treated as religions. If the Supreme Court upholds that, then they will uphold anyone who claims to be having a religion. One can then just as easily say that one is a Christian group who believes that aborting unwanted babies is sanctified. In the freedom of the faith one gets to have abortions. The same with LGBTQ+, so that what they support then has to be spread to everyone. How about human sacrifice? That is basically what these White Power Militia groups are practicing by murdering people. Let us tie that into the abortion laws. Of course, if it just gets punted back to the states, then Texas will certainly accept murder of people by religious groups because it already does with its' gun laws. I recently read about a man accidentally killing a 9-year-old girl who was in her parents care in Texas, while trying to shoot someone who had robbed him. Apparently, he was justified in his actions, so no consequences for just murdering someone's child. I assume these priorities exist elsewhere too.
I'm fine with calling them Antichristians, but that doesn't make sense to most people.
They are also Christofascists: a Christian robe worn over fascist shoulders.
Isn't the term Fascists more direct?
For me the point is that they vehemently identify as Christians. Ignoring their self identity which is central to their unity feels a bit like sticking my head in the sand and just hoping it will all go away because after all they aren’t “real” Christians.
I vote NeoConfederate. Its easy to make an association to past traitors
I prefer not to call them Nazis, because Nazi suggests a degree of extremism and organization that I don’t think applies. I think Fascists is a better fit. I imagine Spain under Franco as their ideal, where everyone knows their place and church and state work together to enforce nationalism and the patriarchy.
They are fascists and some are theocrats. I call the whole miserable bunch the party of death and have recently added the word treason to that.
Party of death, given climate change denial, is excellently descriptive. Thank you. I’d like to add “poisonous medievalists” as a descriptive.
poisonous certainly.
Steve, in certain situations, emesis can be cathartic, don't you think? I kind of like HBSK myself.
Fascists. Look up the definition. Describes wealthy libertarians to a T.
James Buchanan wrote in his papers as discovered by Nancy MacLean in her book Democracy in Chains, that stealth would be required to implement the libertarian platform. He knew then if people knew the end results of the low to no taxes and regulation the people would reject them. Even the PACs funded by the Koch network today know this and it got publicized to their horror. The average libertarians and conservatives hang onto the philosophy of small government, freedom and liberty while refusing to see the endgame of no public schools, roads, police, hospitals, and more.
They also miss several points; as the infrastructure that supports their money grubbing lives crumbles due to lack of tax money for upkeep, and those people who work for their meager wages grow too indebted to buy their goods; there will be no roads to transport goods, no water for their customers to drink, no skilled employees to man their assembly lines and no one to cook the food they can’t procure
Libertarians can only exist AFTER someone else has filled the societal cookie jar; its like an annuity fund in depletion
Then you go “off grid”. I’m pretty sure most of them don’t plant gardens, raise meat, generate electricity or otherwise get their hands dirty. If some do, then good; let them practice individualism as a reality as opposed to the myth they embrace today
FREEDUMB!!!!
this statement: Libertarians can only exist AFTER someone else has filled the societal cookie jar; its like an annuity fund in depletion
I love this. So well stated.
While walking today, I thought of the ultimate hypocrisy is politics- libertarians working for the govt while undermining the very organization. They want no taxes, but take tax money for their compensation. They want no govt services, but happily benefit from them.
Dave - i am going to borrow your statement to use frequently!
Feel free, thanks for the support
I also am a stringer for both “Dave Fake News” and its sister “Dave Real News”
I also like to blow their minds when asked:
How is that 2nd A personal responsibility thing working out with the rising guns deaths around the nation going?
How about, “A bunch of cowards with a bunch of guns are no match for a school shooter behind a door”??
They are Nazis. Plain and simple. And I join you in being sickened that the name Christian has been hijacked, as have words like evangelical or even quotes from Scripture. They have weaponized the words of Jesus whose repeated and final ask of his followers was that they love one another.
Jen, one word:
Yes.
But then I sigh and, with a piece of scripture,
Tell them that God bids us do good for evil;
And thus I clothe my naked villainy
With odd old ends stol’n forth of Holy Writ,
And seem a saint when most I play the devil.
Shakespeare…….Richard III
And “My words fly up, my thoughts remain below: Words without thoughts never to heaven go.” Hamlet, Sc III. That's what Shakespeare thought of "thoughts and prayers".
Yes, they are Nazis.
American Taliban
Cult Of White Supremacist Haters Impersonating Theologians (COWSHIT)
Elizabeth COWSHIT wins the Expectorating Methane Award for 2022. Might you play with BULLSHITSY as you try for a repeat award in 2023?
Hahaha… “I am humbled to receive this esteemed award. I’d like to thank my father, who gave me a love of language and word play, my mother, an artist who nurtured my creativity, my high school English teacher who challenged me…”
Now, to your challenge:
BU = Big Utilities? Bullies United?
Wait, what social group or philosophy are we targetting here? Hmmm. Dumpster has spent his entire life using bullshit to prevail. Let’s take apart his methods:
BU = Beat Up? Born Ugly? Bully Underlings? Brutal Upbringing
BULL = Build Up Little Lies? Brought Up Lying? Brutal Upbringing Launches Loveless
S = Sleaze? Sucker? Sock? Savage? Sycophant? Self-Hating?
L = Lies? Legal? Lavish? Ladder? Lick? Leverage?
Brutal Upbringing Launches Lying Self-Hating Idiot Totalitarian Tyrant, Ergo: Republican
This does spell BULLSHITTER, but it’s unsatisfying, somehow hollow and trying too hard. I’ll have to think about it some more. Somebody else have at it!
Elizabeth Your mother and father would probably be proud of you. Others might wonder why you devote so much time to these bizarre word games. My dad would have found my bizarre humor tasteless and time wasting. Thus I am delighted to find you, a kindred soul, on LFAA. I know of no one who could have slithered from COWSHIT to BULLSHITSKY so smellily.
Brilliant!
Now THIS is creative!!
How about White Supremacists?
What about calling them “Christ-less evangelicals?”
Christ-less evilgelicals
Have you heard of Christ on a crutch?
Pat Was that ‘Christ on a crunch’ eating Jesus gum balls? A modern day loaves and fishes parable? Sounds like a gathering of Christ-less evilgelicals. Oi vey, Mother of Mary, Allah u Akhbar.
Yes and how sadly they mock the poor man who was in his time a brave rabbi.
Pat Jesus wept for them.
Aï, Madonna buona!!!
Perhaps we need a new word to describe jihadists that are devoted to Christianity instead of to Islam? They seem very much the same?
How about “anti-christs”?
I like Christofascists as being the simplest and most self explanatory.
https://newtranscendentalist.medium.com/christofascism-by-dorothee-s%C3%B6lle-633273379b68
Yep. Extremists no matter the belief system end up being very similar. It's why we need to look seriously at the fact that religion is the only socially sanctioned delusion. Extremists are delusional in that they believe they "know the truth" and use religion to justify any means to impose it on others. If we can finally acknowledge that accepting religion is not the same as accepting truth and in fact, people are drawn to versions of religion that is congruent with their psychology and serves their purposes.
White Patriarchists
Fascist. Look up the definition. It describes the wealthy libertarians perfectly.
The motto of Libertarianism "I've got mine and I'll be damned if I'll help you get yours."
Yours looks pretty appealing, too! A fellow teacher ate someone else’s lunch in the staff room because it was left unattended for a few minutes. He thought it was up for grabs. Made the weakest of apologies when the lunch’s owner returned. He thought it was fair game as nobody spoke up. So libertarian that he thought insurance was wrong. Everyone should “take responsibility” for their own.
They rarely see the hypocrisy. Like on working for the govt being paid by taxes.
Might is right, since I have the might, I determine what is right.
I am leaning towards Patriarchal Racist Anti-Democracy Christian Terrorists (PRACT). There is so much to cover in the description!!!!
Georgia PRACT members would be Pra(o)ctologists. Reminds me of the whirly bird, who flew in narrowing concentric circles until it flew up its own ass hole. Now I’m being asinine.
I decided to make one change:
Patriarchal Racist Anti-Democracy Pseudo-Christian Terrorists
Cannot abide using the unmodified term Christian for these people.
PRAPT? or PRADPCT? The second is not only unpronounceable but hard to memorise.
White nationalist Pharisees
They made Jesus blond, seemingly of European heritage. Don’t like him as he was, nor what he said about loving thy neighbor as thyself.
Carol I recall a fascinating documentary on the gradual whiting of Semite Jesus over centuries and, in the African Catholic Church, the darkening of Jesus more recently. Now there are Black Jesuses. Must be puzzling for Christ-less white suprematists.
Wonder why it took the Catholic Church ten centuries before they glorified the Virgin Mary, when it only took three centuries to condemn Mary Magdalene (discoverer of Jesus’s empty tomb) as a ‘whore.’
And to whom did Peter report when there were three Popes at the same time?
A bit confusing.
Yes, but when you're making up a story, you can modify it as needed to maintain your power.
J I remember a movie from, I believe, the 1950s: THE GREATEST STORY EVER TOLD. I found it considerably more credible than Cecil B. De Millie’s THE TEN COMMANDANTS, which had some real whoppers based on a less-than-credible Biblical account.
Perhaps the most credible movie portrayal of Moses is in Singing in the Rain:
“Moses supposes his toesees are roses
but Moses supposes erroneously….”
Even this was altered from an earlier version.
Thank you for the laugh. I need all that I can get these days!
Yes, we've seen a few examples of that in very recent years.
It's all in the mind.
Well of course. He was a 14th century Italian, wasn't he? All the good portraits date from then.
A-L Of course, a Semite Italian. In early Catholicism, the image of Jesus on the cross was not used, since it was not considered a good way to market a new religion. Of course this was long before Machiavelli,
Caroline, you must have heard of this group.
https://www.christiansagainstchristiannationalism.org/
Lynell, I am now on their site. I am not a Christian, but believe in all they so beautifully stated. Thank you for expanding my world. I live as part of a non-denominational ashram in western India. Meher Baba is our spiritual master (1894-1969) and he would have fully supported this group. He preached Love and Selfless Service as the only things that matter for us as human beings.
We could definitely use more Meher Baba's in the world today. Thanks, Elisabeth.
Elisabeth,
Jai Baba. My partner Jim & I were followers and made a couple of trips to Ahmednagar & Baba's Samadhi at Meherabad. This was in 1975 & 77. If interested in this personal history, I am at roboyte@att.net.
Morning Lynell, and thanks for that link. I am debating (internally) whether to engage in a "discussion" with my former colleagues. At the moment, I am disinclined, since one of them just posted an "everyone lies" defense of Santos. This is a former sergeant of mine, also a former pastor, defending that lsos (lying sack of 💩). I cannot fathom how they have sunk to where they've sunk.
Hey Ally, It’s so tempting to go to battle with those who are spouting gross
lies. But a better use of your precious life energy is giving support to those you agree with and giving support to those
who might be confused or undecided. For those on the far right it is all about power games and feeding their hate addiction. Stay away imho! Blessings, Ned
Agreed. Engaging with these folks has become a lot like playing chess with a pigeon. (obscure comparison, I know. But they do tend to knock over the pieces, poop on the board, and flap off claiming they've won...) I really hate giving them free rent in my head, so I've pretty much quit engaging.
Ah, Ally. Great post! And did you see that Trump called the insurrectionists “Trashy”? Here’s my response to Robert Hubbell for posting this little gem of info from the Jan 6 committee: “OMG - Trump called the insurrectionists “trashy”!!! What did he want - a lot of Prada wearing male fashion models who would look good at one of Ivanka’s lawn parties? To me this little anecdote says it all!!! I am anmazed and grossed out while also chortling with snarky laughter. Will Trump campaign on a platform of promising free upscale couture so his followers can show up to riots looking good and he can be proud of how they look? Steve Bannon looks pretty trashy to me. And just imagine how trashy Trump will look in his orange jump suit. Thank you, Robert, for highlighting this. Endless fun for late night comics and cartoonists! It hasn’t been this good since “cofveve”. We all need a good laugh in grim times.”
Ned, I'm an enormous fan of political cartoons--well, animation in general fascinates me--but my favorite cartoonist, prize-winning artist Mike Lukovich of the Atlanta Journal & Constitution, always draws Steve Bannon with flies buzzing around him, perhaps inferring Bannon as the P. O. S. that he is. Mike's most recent via Twitter:
https://twitter.com/mluckovichajc/status/1608175699017220097?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
Quite honestly - trumptydumpty has ALWAYS been the epitome of trashiness - gold fittings everywhere? He has not conception of what classy is!
What....camo isn't upscale??? And how about the guy with horns and face paint. The ones we see around here like the Proud Boys are dressed in their best military wannabe outfits and with all kinds of stuff hanging off them in addition to their weaponry.
I have to wonder if fpotus would have been more impressed if the proud boys had shown up in their “uniforms”. Since I can’t post a photo, I’ll link to an article about the kilt maker.
https://www.wusa9.com/amp/article/news/local/protests/proud-boys-maga-march-kilts-owner-outraged-virginia/65-35d16c8b-1ff7-49bb-89f2-13c85e3f6c3c
I happen to own one of their pride kilts.
Having engaged briefly with a couple of your ex-colleagues, I would say they are not worth the energy and time it would take to type a response. Their beliefs are are the very reason that large segments of the population are wary of LE. All I saw was arrogance/hubris.
Well said, Michele. Arrogance and hubris on display.
Ally, I am saving these words. They express so well everything I've experienced the few times I was naive enough to try.
Thank you for your kind words. I cannot take credit for the chess analogy; I first saw it with reference to X45.
Ally I’m reminded of an Egyptian delicacy—stuffed pigeon, though I would need a hazmat suit, were I to stuff these Christ-less Evangelicals.
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Ned, you are SO RIGHT. Er, I mean, a truer word was never said.
Perhaps the only response to those who have drunk the Koolaid, is to say, "you're being conned." and then move on.
There was someone running in Oregon for political office some time ago who lied about himself. As I recall he went nowhere. No, not everyone lies on their resumes and in the voter's pamphlet. Oh yes, probably most of us have told a lie here and there, but not on the scale of Santos. I would be disinclined to take him on and I would hope you would save your energy for healing.
Yes, nothing he said was true....and then there is the $700000 he magically loaned the campaign when he was said to have lived a pretty challenged fiscal life prior. The big question, for me, is WHO or WHAT was behind that $700,000? Why would ANY lying, much less, indiscriminate lying on a resume be tolerated for a position as important as leading our country? Republicans and Democrats alike should be calling for recall in his district and we should all be crying out "FOUL!!"
Which word in Lsos is redundant? 😎
Morning, Ally! I wonder, are there any former colleagues who are on your side? But anyway, I support whatever you decide to do/say. Former pastor, eh.
Yes there are. Two of the best (another former sergeant and my best friend in the department) had great fun at briefing once. Dan and I had both gotten haircuts from his sister in law and our hair was roughly the same length (men had restrictions on length; women did not, and “extreme hairstyles” were forbidden to both genders.
Sarge looked at Dan and said “Olsen, your hair is too long. House your hair is too short”. We had a good laugh.
Too funny!
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As my Dad would say
“Ten Que, in fact, 11 Que”
Translation: Thanks
Lynell,
It was reassuring to see this website. Thank you. I can't sign it, because I am no longer a Christian. I left at age 13. But I have enormous respect for what each of those church leaders espoused. Very encouraging!
Another good group is "Faithful America" they are a group that is against Christian Nationalist and thru their being so out spoken, have really put up opposition that has made a difference in many cases. Although I am not a Christian, I support them.
Thanks, Gloria. Love their motto:
"Love they neighbor. No exceptions."
I went to the site, but couldn't sign on to their statement because I don't identify as a Christian. I am a Buddhist. I was disappointed, but I guess it makes sense since they are CHRISTIANS against Christian nationalism.
I signed it anyway, though I follow no organized religion. I am a Jewddhist I guess….
As long as you are not Jew ish.
The hubris!!! I bet his face was not even purple as he spouted out that 4th grader defense.
Hubris is one of my favorite words....in the hopes that the gods will punish him.
I tried to sign it, but the site wouldn't accept my signature without my confirmation that I identify as Christian. I don't know how yours went through unless you checked the I identify as Christian box.
Exactly. Since there was other way to sign the statement, I checked I was a Christian. They should either give one a “no” option or state only Christians can sign. I left a comment to that effect….
Thank you! I opted not to do the check, but great idea to suggest a "no" option
Thank you for the link! I'm digesting 🤗
I agree with you, Caroline. Words matter. Lies are not “alternative truths”, “embellishments” or any other comfortable malarkey. Lies are lies. And the radical white nationalists who call themselves Christians are not pushing religious freedom or anything else that even resembles Christianity. They need to called out for who and what they are, loudly, distinctly, and frequently. They are hateful and violent.
I did hone in on that word embellishments. A lie is a lie.
What a great comment, Denise. Have a great weekend.
Dr. Richardson is a historian, not a novelist who has that luxury.
100% right, on all points, in my world.
Excellent point, Reverend Kenner. Thank you!
While enforcing 'white people's Christianity' is true of the 'the White Christian Nationalist wing of the Republican Party' it is only one part of racist right wing Catholic extremist and GOP power broker Leonard Leo's agenda - Leo is at the hub of the dark money network which is promoting and funding this enforcement. Especially through the judiciary.
Through the Becket Fund, for instance, Leo makes common cause with other religious extremists who are expanding the Freedom to Worship to mean "Freedom of religion protects the right of conscience, not just in houses of worship but in workplaces, schools, hospitals, government offices, and anywhere else we go in this world,” (Leonard Leo, 2017)
This misreading of the First Amendment is used by Leo's Supreme Court cons to overturn the Separation of Church and State to deny civil rights protections and legitimize discrimination against a wide range of minorities in America. Just as the cons misreading of the Second Amendment is saturating America with guns and fueling the epidemic of gun violence - of which Leo's GOP allies in Congress outlaw tracking by the NIH.
Here is an article from "Soapbox" describing how Leonard Leo became such an effective power broker. https://newrepublic.com/article/166993/leonard-leo-christian-right-future
Good addition to the issue!! Leo most certainly appears to be a long time power broker in this "religious" coalition of madness.
Ms. Kenner,
Your point is well taken. The form of religious theocracy the Republican party is attempting to institute is fascist and white nationalist. Chris Hedges has written deeply about this movement in this country.
Here is a link to an article he wrote in June of this year for "Salon." https://www.salon.com/2022/06/28/christian-fascism-is-right-here-right-now-after-roe-can-we-finally-see-it/
The attempt by these far-right Christian fascists is an offense against the principle of separation of church and state. Their attempt to weaken this principle is a dire threat to the integrity of our democracy in this country.
Thank you for raising the issue.
Being Jewish this call for a Christian nation really disturbs me to the point I'd like to leave. My brother's family has achieved permanent residence in Canada but I don't qualify. The Republican message really has me fearful for the future.
I am not Jewish or Christian, but my child attends a school that has both Christian and Jewish holidays off. Even if you don't qualify for permanent residence in Canada right now, you might find a way to do this. I know that many families sent their children to university in Canada in 2016 as a reaction to Trump's getting married. However, I know it is hard to get Canadian citizenship and permission to work there. If the USA becomes a Christian nation you might be able to apply to Canada under a different status than you have currently applied.
Shellee, Don’t leave! Your voice is needed! Did you know there are lawsuits in some of the worst red states challenging the new, horrific abortion laws based on religious freedom: Jewish teaching says only at birth is the fetus a viable human being. If those suits hold, we can reverse the damage done by the craven erasure of Roe v. Wade. I am the daughter of a Jewish mother and very lapsed Catholic father. I chose Buddhism and other non-denominational spiritual paths and also feel threatened in the US, or anywhere antisemitism is taking hold again, very publicly. I also feel afraid for every Black person in America, every woman, every openly gay person, every “different” person. “Different” from the white supremacists’ idea of “acceptable”. Please stay and fight. None of us are alone.
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Thank you. "Religion" does not even refer to Christianity; it could mean most any human spiritual practice. There is a much wider world out there where religion and Christianity are not synonymous at all, and I do wish writers--especially mainstream Christian writers in the US--would attend to that difference.
Christofascism is my term for White Christian Nationalism. But given our dominant cultures' careful avoidance of historical knowledge, I suppose "fascism" might not immediately bring to mind racial supremacism in the same way it does to me. White Christian Nationalist Fascism is redundant, but might get the point across.
I think I get what you're saying and agree.
I don't think this is Christian of any kind, except in the practicers imagination. Christofascism sounds like an oxymoron. Can the two be connected together? It can be religion, but not really Christian was all I was saying. It is just that they call it Christianity, but I don't think it fits the bill. I do not agree that just because people call themselves something makes them that thing. My mom and I were just discussing atheist Muslims yesterday. Is Islam a religion that accepts an atheistic viewpoint the way that some do? No! Therefore I think the two things rule each other out. Does following the teachings of Christ include misogyny and racism? Does it promote violence? No!
Honestly?
I do not care whether they are "really" Christian or not. They call themselves Christian, they believe they are Christian, and they would call most mainstream, liberal Christians false angels of light.
That is not my fight at all, since I am not Christian at all--except that part of the culture that I probably will always carry with me, having been brought up among these Christofascists.
They want to combine *their version* of Christianity with fascist authoritarianism, capitalist hyper-productivity, and private-sector-based efficiency in all things, especially violence.
The no-true-Scotsman fallacy is in fact a fallacy, and it applies here. It matters not one whit whether what they are doing is in harmony with your interpretation of the New Testament. They are still Christofascists.
If you have a problem with that, please take it to your local evangelicals and explain to them why they cannot use the term Christian to characterize themselves.
Caroline, refer to Margret Atwood for more caustic language on the White Christian Nationalists. In particular, "The Handmaid's Tale".
I call them pseudo "Christians." They are not really Christian, because the Bible does not make a case for White Supremacy. Also, they clearly don't believe in a God that is merciful and kind. Their God is racist and sexist. How does that make sense? So, given that they have a different God from the Christian God, I believe they really have a pagan religion worshiping "Whiteness and maleness."
Well, that is sadly ironic. I am so sorry you are using the word "pagan" above to describe Christians you dislike and disdain.
With a capital P, the word Pagan is normally used in modern times to identify polytheistic people who worship the Old Gods, like Zeus, Lugh, and Odin, along with a panoply of Goddesses, like Hera, Freyja, and Brighid.
That's exactly what kind of senior clergy I am. I am a Pagan priestess, devoted to the many Gods and Goddesses of antiquity. I have spent decades defending our rights to worship as we please in this country, despite the dislike and disdain most Christians dish on Paganism.
And with a small p, the word Pagan has now been used in a slur, in a thread my comment began. My cup runneth over with Christians fighting among each other for dominance over who gets to call themselves Christian.
It is so sad to see Christians refusing to admit that members of the Christian family of sects are Bad Actors in our country's political system. They call themselves Christians, yet other Christians say they are not Christians. Welcome to religious cognitive dissonance. You-all are ALL Christians. Police your ranks, but don't accuse Christians of being Pagans because you personally dislike the way they express their Christianity.
Why does anyone think the Founders staked our democracy firmly on separation of Church and State? They saw what happened in Europe between various Christian sects fighting over who was the REAL Christian, and wanted none of that nastiness to touch our secular democracy.
I did not mean offense to Pagans. I am using it in the sense that it is a religion based on perceived "ethnicity."
However, I am neither Christian or Pagan, although I have been called Pagan, so I am speaking about this based on my understanding of White Nationalist "Christianity" as being influenced by Norse mythology--Odinism.
https://revealnews.org/article/an-ancient-nordic-religion-is-inspiring-white-supremacist-jihad/
https://americanhumanist.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/paganism.pdf
I would have been more accurate to say heathen instead of pagan. I apologize and did not mean to be offensive, merely descriptive. I do not agree that this is all Christianity. You cannot just name something Christian and it is Christian. You have to follow agreed upon ideas of what Christ's teachings are. Odinism is not just a sect of Christianity, it is a set of beliefs that are incongruous with Christian teachings.
It is not descriptive of Christianity to call it Odinism. Odinism is a separate religious entity, and one that is distinctly unwelcome in most Pagan circles nationally, for the same reason that many Christians do not want to be associated with White Christo-Fascists
Most of Heathenry is not Odinism either. For example, my favorite Heathens are politically liberal, enthusiastically accepting of LGBTQIA people, and recognize the divinity of Loki, as long as they personally do not have to attend any of the Lokean Rites.
Meanwhile, people who profess Odinism are none of those things, ordinarily. People who call themselves Odinists are usually misogynist to the max, hate LGBTQIA people, and are generally clueless about ancient Norse Paganism. However, we Leftist Heathens do not go around saying the Odinists are not Heathen. They are just not our particular favorite kind of Heathen.
Honestly, the quibbling among Christians about who gets to call themselves Christian is what has led to numerous wars throughout history.
I think it's a bunch of phony double-talk for people to refuse to acknowledge that people with whom they deeply disagree politically are Christians. Christians are people who venerate Jesus and think he's a God, whatever whack-a-doo aspects of religion and religiosity they might profess.
People get to choose their religious label themselves in the Freedom of Religion scheme we have going here in the USA. No one is consulting you or any other experts in the finer points of doctrine when they claim their preferred religious label.
So you CAN in fact name yourself Christian and then you are a Christian. And it's sadly interesting and revealing that so many Christians try to deny that so many Christians are downright evil.
All anyone has to do is look at the Nazis: all of the Nazis were Christians, and prayed to Jesus on Sunday while committing genocide against European Jewry, LGBTQIA people, the disabled, and Jehovah's Witnesses, who are fellow Christians, the other six days of the week. Massive hypocrites, yes, the Nazis were massive hypocrites. And yes, the Nazis were also Christians.
In the USA, we never really know who is what kind of religion unless we know a person personally. So "I did not mean to be offensive," is simply not good enough. It's a better idea to consider not calling Christians who are hateful by another religion's name entirely. Would you have written, "those people aren't really Christians, they are Hindus..... or Jews.... or, gasp, Unitarians...."
I hope you've learned a lesson from calling Christians "pagan" in a public forum. Your apology is accepted, thank you.
And here's an article for you, on what Christians did once they gained power in the 3rd century of the common era. Christians lie about that particular time period a great deal. The article is from 2010, but the events were in the 3rd century, so the date does not matter.
https://churchandstate.org.uk/2016/06/christian-atrocities-three-centuries-of-pagan-persecution/
(Sorry, I meant the 4th century of the common era....)
I am wondering if you know what paganism is. Or if you know that the Catholic church usurped the festivals and ceremonies of the practitioners of paganism - Saturnalia became Christmas. Here is more. For me, there is no place more ¨holy¨ than nature where the presence of a mystery greater than any human can describe can be felt and the responsibility for the care understood. Also remember the tortures and murders (the Crusade, the Inquisition, Queen Elizabeth I, Salem witch trials, etc.) all fine Christians. https://bigthink.com/the-present/pagan-roots-of-catholicism/
I don't know as a practitioner, and I know that on the outside one never truly understands. I have had feminist friends who are self proclaimed Pagans, and because I am not Christian I have been called both Pagan and Heathen by people, but it is more complex than that. I presume you did not read my links or you would have seen that I am going by the definition of Paganism that I posted. It would include the elements of the White Supremacist so called Christianity that I have discussed. I would point out that in the Salon article that John posted called "Christian fascism is right here, right now: After roe, can we finally see it?" the author, Chris Hedges, a theologian also says that the Christian fascist movement has elements of paganism in it.
https://www.salon.com/2022/06/28/christian-fascism-is-right-here-right-now-after-roe-can-we-finally-see-it/
I posted an article by the American Humanist Society on paganism to define what I was talking about.
https://americanhumanist.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/paganism.pdf
Worship of Odin and using the Nazi Hakenkreutz (Swastica) are historically pagan practices. I am not the only one to use the word Pagan, to describe the elements of the so called White Supremacist Movement. The Southern Poverty Law Center calls it Neo-Paganism, which is perhaps the term I should have used.
https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/intelligence-report/1998/new-brand-racist-odinist-religion-march
If you read Prof Kathleen Belews book, Bring the War Home: The White Power Movement and Paramilitary America she says that there was a merging of the White Power Militia groups and the White Evangelical Church in the 1990s after the Oklahoma City bombing of the Federal building, but these elements of Odinism are mixed in.
I am sorry that using the word Pagan to apply to bad people was so distracting that many could not see the substance of what I was saying. This is cultural appropriation, but I have no problems with people taking from cultures the elements that they like. What I am saying, which is why I removed the word Pagan, and said I would replace it with Heathen, is that Christianity follows the teachings of Christ. Racism, sexism, homophobia anti-immigrant stances are not part of the teachings of Christ and therefore even if someone calls themselves "Christian," if they embrace these ideas I call it "pseudo Christianity." And yes, I do know about the repression of the Catholic church as an outsider, and the Spanish Inquisition, the Crusades, the Salem witch trials etc... I live in a religiously diverse community in which families are mixed by color, country, language as well as religion. Good friends are Ottoman historians and I know about the fate of Muslims and Jews under Isabella and Ferdinand, although Kristin Downey implies that Isabella had less influence than her priest and husband over the treatment of both the Indigenous people here, and in the Inquisition in Europe, in her book Isabella: The Warrior Queen, which I read aloud to my daughter who was in middle school at the time. I also know that the Ottoman Empire welcomed Jews and Muslims who were in danger in Spain and other parts of Europe during this time and was in that way a very tolerant society. At the same time, Pagan is a term applied by Christians to those who did not worship one God, and yes, Odinism has elements of worship of Nature, but their ideas of nature might be different from yours. They might see nature as forcing women to have babies when they don't want them because their pregnancy was a natural occurrence. They might be living off the land, and hunting and fishing. A friend who is an aquatic eco-biologist worked on conservation projects up in the Pacific Northwest and was telling me about colleagues she had who felt that a Black man working with them should leave because he makes "people uncomfortable." and everyone who makes people uncomfortable should just go. This woman was into nature and had a form of racist Christianity. Many things can go from good to bad with a slight twist, so you can share some things as a Pagan in common with White Supremacists. From having learned about why Martin Luther left the Catholic Church and what aspects of it he found untenable, like the selling of letters that would absolve people of their sins in heaven known in German as Ablassbriefte (Letters of Indulgence), I understand the historical corruption in the Catholic Church. In seventh grade we studied Judaism, Islam, Christianity, Hinduism, and Buddhism in school as part of our Social Studies curriculum. I think back then it was billed as "world religions", and this covered most of who was in our school other than the sizable Secular population. Later on, I ran a group which looked at minority religions in the school, and tried to be more aware of how the school could accommodate them, such as the food needs of people practicing Jainism, or scheduling tests during times of fasting in Islamic religions or the Christian Orthodox church and their different calendars.
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I don't know where they get their ideas about "Christianity," but it sure ain't from any Bible based on the original New Testament. Or even the Old Testament. Seems more like rule by high priest warlord.