For some Americans to celebrate the Oct 7 attack as an “attack on colonizers” is disgraceful and hypocritical.
Every American citizen who doesn’t have a fully Native American bloodline is a colonizer! You think Israel taking Palestinian land is bad? The United States is 100 percent built on stollen land! How ignorant can people get?!?!
For some Americans to celebrate the Oct 7 attack as an “attack on colonizers” is disgraceful and hypocritical.
Every American citizen who doesn’t have a fully Native American bloodline is a colonizer! You think Israel taking Palestinian land is bad? The United States is 100 percent built on stollen land! How ignorant can people get?!?!
Thank you Steven. Europeans "colonized" North America via a long lasting brutal genocide - beginning with their (our) arrival so long ago. Nearly every country has been a colony.
If Native Americans on current reservations began to lob rockets at LA or Las Vegas, how would "Americans" react? If the people who attempted to destroy our cities and vaporize our people were chased down and eliminated, would not the whole US cheer?
I believe that in the process of creating Israel there was much injustice. Palestinians have been mistreated since Zionism was first put into reality. But that is no excuse for the acts of October 7, 2023. Hamas is a cancer. It must be excised.
And the ultra extreme settlers in the West Bank must be dealt with. They violate International Agreements and stoke the hatred.
Japanese society and its attitude was changed for the better after WWII by our treatment of them. Same for Germany. But that was after we incinerated their cities and threatened even more. Hamas is just like the Nazis and the military of Japan during WWII. There is only one way to eliminate them. And it isn't with peace offerings. If Palestinians want peace, they must overthrow and reject Hamas. By allowing Hamas to rule, they have invited this disaster. They have provoked the response that kills their children - the children that Hamas cowards hide behind.
Netanyahu is an evil politician who who ignored warnings. He is incompetent and has culpability for this whole conflict. I am a peacenik by nature. But if I lived in Israel and my neighbors were raped, tortured, slaughtered and kidnapped, I believe I would need to respond - and it wouldn't be with an olive branch.
Standing Rock vs. DAPL shows how Americans react when Natives stand up for their water and their treaty rights, with rubber bullets, water cannons in freezing temperatures, dragging people in ceremony into dog cages, prosecuting people who harmed no one.
What was done to indigenous persons is a black stain on our history. It certainly does not justify Netanyahu’s and extremists’ slaughter and ethnic cleansing of the Palestinians.
Agree. Colonizers in Israel, taking over Palestinian land in the West Bank, are supported by the right wing government. Many Israelis oppose this action. We cannot hear this loud enough. Schumer's speech touched on it, but not strongly enough.
Apparently very ignorant, Steven. We live in an era of snap judgement and herd mentality used as a substitute for actual study and learning for making decisions. We are, in great part, a lazy society and prefer to borrow our opinions rather than gathering facts. What could be dumber, for example, than eliminating Civics classes for the young citizens of our country who will eventually need to govern and guide this unwieldy ship?
Yes indeed, the elimination of civics and a true understanding of how and why system of governance and governments function and work could basically be considered sacrilegious!
"Israel" isn't doing the slaughter and so-called "ethnic cleansing" of Palestinians. It's Benjamin Netanyahu and his coalition of bloodthirsty, right-wing power-mongers (I feel sick every time Mark Regev opens his mouth on air, and the others are equally awful).
Your assumption about the elections is flawed. Not because the elections didn't happen, but because there were factors at play when the elections occurred that skewed things. The election in the US that resulted in Bush's defeat of Al Gore had to be decided by the Florida's Supreme Court, after 35+ days of wrangling with recounts. Gore received 543,895 more votes (a margin of 0.52% of all votes) than Bush, but the Electoral College gave the victory to Bush.
The entire world is worried about what has happened on Gaza the last two months. Nobody here is in favor of slaughter, nor Netanyahu for that matter. This letter was written by a renowned historian, who I'm sure knows a thing or two about indigenous persons and ethnicity and ethnic cleansing. She would not cavalierly throw those words around. Here's a little article on the Origin of the Palestinians.
Right. Well you're missing an well known fact. The Palestinians and the Jewish are of the same ethnicity. So by definition neither can be guilty of ethnic cleansing the other. It's as simple as that.
I think it's a fair assumption that Mr. Netanyahu is Jewish. So whatever his motives are, I think we can assume he's not a Nazi.
Abbey, the fact that the population of Gaza has increased since 2005 is not a basis for concluding that "there is no ethnic cleansing." The best description of the extent of it that took place just on the years surrounding and during the military conflict that led to the establishment of Israel as a state in 1948, is Ilan Pappe's 2006 book "The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine", a deeply researched and historically documented work, relying upon Israeli and British documentation released in the 1980s, and Palestinian sources in Arabic. Ilan Pappé's books have received acclaim from numerous reviewers, and he has very effectively rebutted criticism that does exist, such as that from historian Benny Morris. Lastly, with regard to Israel "leaving Gaza", Israel withdrew to the boundary of Gaza, but did not "leave." It has retained control of electricity, water, other utilities, telecommunications, the Palestinian population registry, entry and exit points, materials that are allowed or prohibited, air and maritime space, and a no-go buffer zone, creating a tightly controlled, dependent, densely crowded population with high unemployment and food insecurity, which has been repeatedly subjected to bombing and intrusions leading to high numbers of civilian casualties. A 8/7/2022 article in Al Jazeera lists when air raids have taken place, the context/triggers and the consistently highly disproportionate results - these include 6/2006, 12/2008, 11/2012, 7-8/2014, 5/2021, and 8/2022. These are incontrovertible facts that have been repeatedly documented by multiple sources, including multiple human rights organizations and Israel media outlets. An awareness of these facts is necessary to inform opinions regarding the best way forward now, following the horrific, brutal raid on Israeli settlements with ~1.200 deaths, including women and children, by members of Hamas on 10/7, and the Israeli response of turning half of Gaza into rubble (thus far) with >11,000 Gazan deaths, mostly women and children, and the displacement of 1.6 million people from their homes.
The original colonization of Palestine and the Levant was by Turkey. The Turks were as cruel and thoughtless overlords as were the Europeans who inherited the region when they defeated Turkey in WWI. Having previously colonized much of the rest of the planet, they stepped in as a matter of course, but just as independence movements were rising.
For some Americans to celebrate the Oct 7 attack as an “attack on colonizers” is disgraceful and hypocritical.
Every American citizen who doesn’t have a fully Native American bloodline is a colonizer! You think Israel taking Palestinian land is bad? The United States is 100 percent built on stollen land! How ignorant can people get?!?!
I am so glad you said this. Completely missing from his speech are the 10 million Indigenous People who were murdered and displaced by colonizers.
Yes, and look all over the world where the Europeans colonized.....not just here...
Thank you Steven. Europeans "colonized" North America via a long lasting brutal genocide - beginning with their (our) arrival so long ago. Nearly every country has been a colony.
If Native Americans on current reservations began to lob rockets at LA or Las Vegas, how would "Americans" react? If the people who attempted to destroy our cities and vaporize our people were chased down and eliminated, would not the whole US cheer?
I believe that in the process of creating Israel there was much injustice. Palestinians have been mistreated since Zionism was first put into reality. But that is no excuse for the acts of October 7, 2023. Hamas is a cancer. It must be excised.
And the ultra extreme settlers in the West Bank must be dealt with. They violate International Agreements and stoke the hatred.
Japanese society and its attitude was changed for the better after WWII by our treatment of them. Same for Germany. But that was after we incinerated their cities and threatened even more. Hamas is just like the Nazis and the military of Japan during WWII. There is only one way to eliminate them. And it isn't with peace offerings. If Palestinians want peace, they must overthrow and reject Hamas. By allowing Hamas to rule, they have invited this disaster. They have provoked the response that kills their children - the children that Hamas cowards hide behind.
Netanyahu is an evil politician who who ignored warnings. He is incompetent and has culpability for this whole conflict. I am a peacenik by nature. But if I lived in Israel and my neighbors were raped, tortured, slaughtered and kidnapped, I believe I would need to respond - and it wouldn't be with an olive branch.
Standing Rock vs. DAPL shows how Americans react when Natives stand up for their water and their treaty rights, with rubber bullets, water cannons in freezing temperatures, dragging people in ceremony into dog cages, prosecuting people who harmed no one.
A saddening but apt comparison.
Interesting comparison, Bill.
What was done to indigenous persons is a black stain on our history. It certainly does not justify Netanyahu’s and extremists’ slaughter and ethnic cleansing of the Palestinians.
But it’s not “Israel” that’s doing this. It’s the extremely right wing government of Israel.
I agree. It is Netanyahu and his extreme right wing government who is responsible.
Agree. Colonizers in Israel, taking over Palestinian land in the West Bank, are supported by the right wing government. Many Israelis oppose this action. We cannot hear this loud enough. Schumer's speech touched on it, but not strongly enough.
Just interested to know what makes it Palestinian land? Before 1967 it was ruled by Jordon and they didn't give the Palestinians their own state.
I feel Bernie Dander’s speech to the Senate the day before was more relevant than Schumers’.
Typo Bernie Sanderd
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Apparently very ignorant, Steven. We live in an era of snap judgement and herd mentality used as a substitute for actual study and learning for making decisions. We are, in great part, a lazy society and prefer to borrow our opinions rather than gathering facts. What could be dumber, for example, than eliminating Civics classes for the young citizens of our country who will eventually need to govern and guide this unwieldy ship?
Yes indeed, the elimination of civics and a true understanding of how and why system of governance and governments function and work could basically be considered sacrilegious!
"Israel" isn't doing the slaughter and so-called "ethnic cleansing" of Palestinians. It's Benjamin Netanyahu and his coalition of bloodthirsty, right-wing power-mongers (I feel sick every time Mark Regev opens his mouth on air, and the others are equally awful).
People conflate things - Netanyahu gov't = Israel = Jews. Bush was our Netanyahu. The people of these democracies elected them so bear responsibility.
Your assumption about the elections is flawed. Not because the elections didn't happen, but because there were factors at play when the elections occurred that skewed things. The election in the US that resulted in Bush's defeat of Al Gore had to be decided by the Florida's Supreme Court, after 35+ days of wrangling with recounts. Gore received 543,895 more votes (a margin of 0.52% of all votes) than Bush, but the Electoral College gave the victory to Bush.
Read more about it here: https://www.uvm.edu/~dguber/POLS125/articles/pomper.htm
Not Florida's Supreme Court, but THE U.S. SUPREME COURT!!!!!
You're correct. I'd forgotten that the mess moved that far up the chain.
Potato potahto. He was elected by our democratic republic.
The entire world is worried about what has happened on Gaza the last two months. Nobody here is in favor of slaughter, nor Netanyahu for that matter. This letter was written by a renowned historian, who I'm sure knows a thing or two about indigenous persons and ethnicity and ethnic cleansing. She would not cavalierly throw those words around. Here's a little article on the Origin of the Palestinians.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Origin_of_the_Palestinians#%3A%7E%3Atext%3DOne_DNA_study_by_Nebel%2Cin_the_seventh_century_AD%22.?wprov=sfla1
My, so condescending.
Right. Well you're missing an well known fact. The Palestinians and the Jewish are of the same ethnicity. So by definition neither can be guilty of ethnic cleansing the other. It's as simple as that.
I think it's a fair assumption that Mr. Netanyahu is Jewish. So whatever his motives are, I think we can assume he's not a Nazi.
There is no ethnic cleansing. The population of Gaza has increased since Israel left in 205
Abbey, the fact that the population of Gaza has increased since 2005 is not a basis for concluding that "there is no ethnic cleansing." The best description of the extent of it that took place just on the years surrounding and during the military conflict that led to the establishment of Israel as a state in 1948, is Ilan Pappe's 2006 book "The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine", a deeply researched and historically documented work, relying upon Israeli and British documentation released in the 1980s, and Palestinian sources in Arabic. Ilan Pappé's books have received acclaim from numerous reviewers, and he has very effectively rebutted criticism that does exist, such as that from historian Benny Morris. Lastly, with regard to Israel "leaving Gaza", Israel withdrew to the boundary of Gaza, but did not "leave." It has retained control of electricity, water, other utilities, telecommunications, the Palestinian population registry, entry and exit points, materials that are allowed or prohibited, air and maritime space, and a no-go buffer zone, creating a tightly controlled, dependent, densely crowded population with high unemployment and food insecurity, which has been repeatedly subjected to bombing and intrusions leading to high numbers of civilian casualties. A 8/7/2022 article in Al Jazeera lists when air raids have taken place, the context/triggers and the consistently highly disproportionate results - these include 6/2006, 12/2008, 11/2012, 7-8/2014, 5/2021, and 8/2022. These are incontrovertible facts that have been repeatedly documented by multiple sources, including multiple human rights organizations and Israel media outlets. An awareness of these facts is necessary to inform opinions regarding the best way forward now, following the horrific, brutal raid on Israeli settlements with ~1.200 deaths, including women and children, by members of Hamas on 10/7, and the Israeli response of turning half of Gaza into rubble (thus far) with >11,000 Gazan deaths, mostly women and children, and the displacement of 1.6 million people from their homes.
And so, does American colonization in some way give license ?
It goes back to the whole European colonization thing. Read Guns, Germs and Steel.
The original colonization of Palestine and the Levant was by Turkey. The Turks were as cruel and thoughtless overlords as were the Europeans who inherited the region when they defeated Turkey in WWI. Having previously colonized much of the rest of the planet, they stepped in as a matter of course, but just as independence movements were rising.
Yes. And read "The Barbarous Years" by Bailyn.
I agree. Built on stolen land and the blood of hundreds of thousands of native Americans.
If you haven't read "Wounded Knee: Party Politics and the Road to an American Massacre" by HCR, it is worth a read.
Pretty damn ignorant, and many don't care to learn.
A great reminder of our own history. We are here not because of God's will, but more in spite of God's will.
Somehow I doubt that God takes sides, and I don't trust politicians who believe that.
It’s easier to see who the colonizers are when you’re not one of them.