George Terwilliger may have been telling the truth when he told the New York Times: “Mark never took any copy of that binder home at any time.” Mark Meadows may not have taken the binder home, but he certainly could have taken it somewhere else, or hidden it somewhere, or given it to someone else to hide. I'm not a lawyer, but Terwillige…
George Terwilliger may have been telling the truth when he told the New York Times: “Mark never took any copy of that binder home at any time.” Mark Meadows may not have taken the binder home, but he certainly could have taken it somewhere else, or hidden it somewhere, or given it to someone else to hide. I'm not a lawyer, but Terwilliger's assertion sounds meaningless to me. What a whole bunch of deplorable traitors.
Annie, Cassidy Hutchinson states in her book that she saw Meadows get into his limo on the 20th of Jan with the Crossfire Hurricane file (which she had kept locked up in an office safe) under his arm. If the file is indeed 10" thick and composed of 2700 pages, it's hard to believe that he "easily" took it. Your point is still excellent, though.
I don't doubt her for a secon. I'm 75 years old and haul 30 kilo bags of feed around all the time. Just because Meadows has a weak personality, doesn't mean he has no muscles, probably has them in compensation, in fact. And he'd do anything to save his ass from djt.
If the pages are mostly printed double sided, 2,700 pages could be as little as 1,350 sheets, and use of 4 mil paper would be 5.4" all double sided. If all single sheets were used it would be about 10.8" single sided on 2,700 sheets, 2.7 reams of 500 sheets, not too hard to carry but I would think rather noticeable even if all double sided.
2,700 sheets would weigh about 22 pounds, 1350 sheets about 11 pounds.
Cassidy Hutchinson is an American heroine. She makes me think of my childhood mental picture of Betsy Ross. It’s a comic comparison, but Betsy Ross was the first American heroine I remember learning about.
I have her book and I am not sure if I should read her book or Chaney's first. I am nearly done with Prequel, hopefully I will finish it today. If our current sitiuation is like where we were with Hitler/Nazi's 80ish years ago ..... all of these indicted creeps will go free. Thankfully, FDR was not involved...but when Truman took office he ....had it swept under the rug. Burton Wheeler happened to be his friend and a one time U.S. Senate colleague. We were lucky back then that we kept our democracy.... and I pray we can do it once again. I know there has to be more of us than there are of them. We have to spread the word when we can. It is not always possible. There was so much information in this book that I was not aware of that happened. None of it was discussed at home with my parents. With many of my friends I have found it best to just not mention anything to do with our country, politics or religion.
Or, Meadows, or someone else, could have made a copy of the binder's contents, and taken that, while someone else is not returning the original binder. Or the same person copied the binder, passed it on to someone else, and has kept the original binder, but is hiding it, not returning it to the intelligence services. Whatever, the cat is likely out of the bag. Isn't it prosecutable behavior to simply "misplace" valuable information one has been entrusted with? If Trump was responsible for retaining that information, and misplaced and didn't return it, shouldn't he be held responsible, whether or not he himself made off with the binder and its information? If we fail to return a library book, we are fined, regardless of the reason we didn't return the book, be it lost, stolen, damaged, whatever. When materials are classified, and important, none should be handed to anyone without automatically making that person responsible, and subject to unnegotiable consequences if they fail to return it.
Read "Enough" by Cassidy Hutchinson. Mark Meadows had a fireplace in his office, and it must have been really cold those last few months of the trump administration because he had it burning alot.
Annie you nailed it. Yes “copy” is the operative word here. The comment by Meadows lawyer implies took the actual binder versus a copy. Annie you nailed it. And like you “copy” jumped out as I read his lawyers’ “carefully” worded statement:
“Terwilliger told the New York Times: “Mark never took any copy of that binder home at any time.”
Exactly! Meadows is dirty, he's a traitor..And what do we do with traitors? I believe it is time we stop allowing ourselves to be pushed around by these Fu%3king people..Cannon is complicit, her behavior is demonstrative of obstruction..She should be removed and charged..
Calm down. You guys just have to get used to the way America really is.
Fat, white and Male means NO JAIL.
The reason you guys are so outraged is because you don't realize that white guys break the law every day, all day long and you NEVER see them on the 6:00 o'clock local news between two Sheriff's deputies being hauled into jail.
All you will EVER see on the nightly news is some poor black guy between two big white deputies being hauled into jail for (robbing a 7-11 for a loaf of bread).
That's how it works here in 'Murca. It just seems outrageous to you guys who have never been within a minority community where jail is always one inch away.
So let's go after his wife. She voted illegally in North Carolina too. And Melania, fraudulently becomes a US citizen and then sponsored her communist father and mother. As spouse, Assuming TFFG files married filing jointly she is just as guilty of income tax evasion as TFFG. And why aren't they auditing TFFGJr, Eric, Ivanka, Tiffany and Barron for income tax evasion? Usually when a preparer files a fraudulent return on behalf of a client everyone's return that preparer did is audited for similar tax cheating. No wonder the Republicans want to slash the IRS budget.
FWIW: She was born in Slovenia, where she said her parents taught her the importance of a strong work ethic and pursuing her dreams. She launched her fashion and modeling career at a young age and traveled to cities like Paris and Milan.
She had no college degree, which is required for an Einstein visa, of which approximately 6 are utilized yearly. Is Melania a genius? No sign of that. Her visa process was fraudulent. The irony that this is the immigrant that was chosen to speak to new citizens...her citizenship was purchased for her. My opinion.
Addendum:
In what way did Melania "excel" at her modeling career & what good did her rather short career do for the world besides nothing?
Criteria for Einstein visa:
To qualify for the EB-1A visa, an applicant must be able to demonstrate extraordinary ability in the sciences, arts, education, business, or athletics through sustained national or international acclaim (by way of extensive documentation).Aug 9, 2023
Do you Qualify for the “Einstein Visa”? - Davies & Associates
Nurjamila Wallar - "She had no college degree, which is required for an Einstein visa..."
It is known as the “Einstein visa.” Nuclear scientists, Nobel laureates and doctors get it. But so do acrobats, stunt men, event planners — and plenty of models.
The requirements for the EB-1 immigrant visa leave far more room for interpretation than its nickname and its best-and-brightest reputation suggest.
While the program may be the pinnacle of the merit-based immigration policies supported by critics of the visa lottery and family-based migration the decision of what constitutes merit, while based on established criteria, is ultimately subjective and often surprising.
She was stupid enough to marry him but fought tooth and nail for Barron to have his "rightful place" in the Trump family. I'd bet she gets a Whopper and fries. Her pre-nup might even include a diet coke and a gravesite next to Ivana.
Yes, yes, yes, I am one of those old fat white guys, Mike S, just like Mark Meadows and DJT. I am 70 years old, probate attorney, just retired, who did a minimal amount of criminal law at the beginning of my career. You are 100% correct in every respect. It does make me ill about “Judge” Cannon, just like it does about my own Congressman, “Judge” John Carter, an actual former state district judge in Texas. If you think there is equal justice under the law, you are sorely mistaken. I am still praying for a miracle and that there will be justice for Trump, Meadows, Giuliani and all the rest, but I do not expect to see it. As a Christian, they all make me want to throw up, they really do. The only that has kept me sane for a long time, and ESPECIALLY these last 8 years, is a quote from one of my favorite Christian authors, Oswald Chambers. “ Never look for justice in this world, but never cease to give it.” There will be justice for these cretins, I just pray it is in this world, and I live long enough to see it. Mike S, you nailed our world, and it never ceases to amaze me how otherwise sane and nice and yes, “good Christina people” refuse to see the truth about justice in this country.
Whenever I find myself start with the handwringing, I think of Jack Smith and my girls, Fani Willis and Letitia James. They are fearless in pursuit of justice. And look what happened to Giuliani yesterday--two Black women were awarded $150 mil in order to punish the racist lunatic. Their attorney is launching an investigation to uncover any money Giuliani could have hidden. There is hope....
"Matuszak is one of about 100 prosecutors across Ohio who the courts found had violated standards meant to preserve a defendant's civil rights in criminal trials, an investigation by Columbia Journalism Investigations, NPR and member station WVXU in Cincinnati, and The Ohio Newsroom found. He is one of 13 who did so more than once. Together, these 13 prosecutors accounted for nearly one-third of the 104 cases in the state where courts found that prosecutors acted improperly."
We are ugly, but looking only at our ugliness is not to appreciate our aspirations toward which we must always keep our thoughts and our eyes. If you start thinking of how you’re going to work for the Democrats in ‘24, you will feel better. Not all politicians are good as not all Americans are good, but some are and some are better as politicians than they are as mere humans. You can help improve the country by voting for the best candidates you can vote for wherever you are.
Interesting point. Just the other day—when Senator Schumer extolled the role played by Jewish people in the civil rights movment—I wondered how many readers of this substack are black or brown. It's a valuable perspective.
Mike, I disagree with you a lot, but not this time.
It also occurred to me that if Trump is given immunity for his crimes by the SC, this would be the court granting presidents unchecked personal power, not only Trump but the office itself.
Mike, my husband can explain most things by saying, "People are stupid". If you see someone looting a business, that's fun to watch. Unless it's venture capital, which is boring paperwork and numbers. Ignore that.
I have no delusions about the double standards in this country, you are right, I will not experience the racism that black, brown, and female Americans experience..However, I am a Jew and that portends a bigotry of its own..
But my skin is white, which means I can hide who I am to those who would do me harm..That is my advantage when facing that to which you speak..
However, it is the acts of traitors willing to destroy the freedoms and our Democracy that we hold so dear as imperfect as you eloquently describe if Meadows et al are not crushed..that is what I am pissed about..
It sure appears to be like that... boy did they ever fool me! I guess I should have been paying attention instead of surviving and attempting to enjoy life.
Mike S, how many times and for how long have you written 'Fat, white and Male...' ?This reply of yours left out 'asses', which have often been part of your visualization white men in words. Do you dream of 'fat, white men's asses'; is this vision of yours an addiction or how you literally and laterally see white men?
Mike S, I think a part of me gets the pain you experienced, terrible pain. You also seem to get me, how prejudice, injustice, inequity and cruelty affect my spirit and determination. So, you know why I finally said something.
I have been a fortunate woman as many of us have not been fortunate
to have had a good father; a wonderful grandfather who worked in garment center as a patternmaker. My mother's and father's families escaped as Jews from Hungary and Poland. Men have also supported the growth of my work, and I had a dear husband who died in 2018.
Thank you for providing us with an opportunity for exchange. We had terrific exchanges when you first joined LFAA. I hope we can continue to respect each other's journeys. Salud.
You are misreading Mike S.'s intent here. He is simply pointing out the fact that there are really two justice systems in the US, one for white folks and one for BIPOC folks. How else to explain that Black people make up less than 14% of the population but 38% of the prison population? Income is a great influencer in the criminal justice system, but cannot explain the difference in ratios.
I am almost ashamed to say that, as a card carrying member of the criminal justice system for 35 years, I had never heard of "for profit prisons" until I watched the film "13th". We do not have them in Oregon, and I am horrified they exist at all. I am also horrified by prison conditions in general, but specifically in the south.
Ally - Dawna is also correct, tho - poverty & crime arent only minority issues. Politics and propaganda make it so, it would seem. The difference in prison populations & in our justice system, should be clear to everyone without having to be put up in colored lights! What is it "they" say? Ignorance is bliss???? There sure seems to be an awful lot of that.
Maggie, you are correct: poverty isn't only a minority issue. I've had a front row seat for 37 years to the entry into the criminal justice system, and can confirm that those with money have far better personal outcomes than those with less, or none. The percentages of people in poverty by race are: White 9.5% Black 21.4% Hispanic 16.1% Asian/Native Hawaiian/Pacific Islander 10%, and American Indian/ Alaska Native 24.5. I stand by my statement that not only incarceration rates but poverty are impacted by race, and that there are different standards for white folks than all other races.
Meadows would throw his own mother under a bus to save his own ass. His main interest is himself. He is not shy in showing how far a traitor will go. He will not go to jail for Agent Orange. He is scared of dropping his soap in the showers. Gutless wonder.
Agent Orange uses classified documents as party favors at Margo's. That's when he's not selling them out of the trunk of his car to the highest bidder. Malignant narcissists have entitlement issues. This is not a surprise. They are toddlers screaming, "everything is mine."
Yes, and in regards to both these traitors, setting aside the legal matters, the inaction by the current DOJ is a disgrace..They should both be in Gitmo..
The theft of the binder has to be the subject of intense, even frantic work by intelligence agencies, domestic and foreign. What CNN reported, to its credit, is akin to the first brief news story that there was a break-in at Democratic headquarters that grew into the Watergate scandal.
While Watergate brought down Nixon, the missing binder likely has much more serious implications, including many that we will likely never know because the government won't reveal them. But let's hope the perpetrators are brought to a swift and harsh judgment.
I thought about this earlier: if the contents of the binder were shared with Russia, then I am sure that any assets (people) our intelligence agencies were working with have been either poisoned, pushed out a window, or whichever way Russia deals with people they don't want around.
I believe a few already have. Perhaps one of the most odious culprits here is Bill Barr for downplaying The Mueller Report which clearly called out Russian interference with the election and pointed to corruption on Trump’s part. How do these smug and over privileged folks live with themselves?
How did you become aware that he was a member of Opus Dei?
I cut this from the Britannica article on Opus Dei. Nothing to worry about here. Just another misogynistic sado-masochistic cult that's part of the Catholic Church.
Opus Dei originally required new members to take a vow of obedience and chastity. Since the organization became a prelature, however, it has required only a contractual commitment to receive spiritual formation, which includes weekly classes (“circles”) and an annual religious retreat, among other activities. Members commonly practice self-sacrifice, which can include fasting and abstinence from certain pleasures, and self-mortification, such as the wearing of a cilice (which often takes the form of a spiked chain worn around the upper thigh), is not discouraged. New members serve a period of probation, which lasts at least five years, before they are fully admitted. Some members of Opus Dei, called numeraries, devote much of their time to the organization. Like priests, they are required to remain unmarried and celibate, but they live in the world and pursue secular occupations. The majority of members, however, are the supernumeraries, who are free to marry, contribute financially to Opus Dei, and demonstrate Christian virtue in their daily activities. The group is also financially assisted by cooperators, who are not members and, by permission of the Holy See, need not even be Christians. Ordained priests constitute only a tiny percentage of the organization; in 2016 they numbered some 2,100 of the almost 95,000 members worldwide.
More important than the details is their state of mind. When you are super right with God (kind of like Mike Johnson, whom God directs, according to him), you are gold.
I've been collecting newspaper articles about the Catholic church for years especially re child abuse, and learned about Opus Dei in Portugal from my husband, who told me that a bank employee here was a member. For fun and entertainment I read Dan Brown's books (airplane reads using five adverbs and five adjectives), in spite of the fact they were banned here.
Humility and integrity are not foundations of the GQP party. They believe their own shit brains. And they surround themselves with like minded shit brains. They are all heros in their own minds. Agent Orange probably has his own General uniforms already prepared. He moves his fat ass in the mirror when he his modeling them for Bannon and Miller. And they all lube up to kiss his fat white pimpled ass.
Hey Lisa, Have you ever considered doing Sand-up Comedy? Some of our most brilliant minds get the truth out like that. George Carlin comes to mind. I have always missed him until today when I got a load of You! I Love It!
Yes, that is probably what happened: Putin learned who those people close to him were who were cooperating with U.S. Intelligence, so Putin "accidented" them, killing them off with staged accidents. Trump is a traitor, as are those who helped him with this. Same issue with the missing contents of the 48 folders at Mar a Lago marked Secret or Top Secret.
I'm circling back to article three of the Fourteenth Amendment--no matter how much voters want you to be president, you are barred from running if you're under the age of 35 or born in another country. The rule for engaging in blatantly treasonous behavior should 100% apply....
let's see all their emails and the Secret Service ones around Jan 6 that were "accidentally" erased during normal housekeeping. Pence was smart enough to not get in the car with SS he didn't know.
Just a thought, isn’t it a bit coincidental that on the day Meadows filed his brief to have his Atlanta case adjudicated in federal court, CNN drops the bomb on him. Strangely, I’d heard it yesterday on Keith Olbermann’s podcast which was filed yesterday morning at 9a PST. I thought it was a spoof, as it seemed, NO ONE had reported it yet! I do believe this is the beginning of the end of Meadows.
This is not a criticism of you, Michael, but an observation about this discussion in general. Why are we persisting in talking about a binder? Cassie said she saw Meadows enter his car with a binder that she recognized and named. There appears to be a great deal of concern about a large # of documents (in terms of pages) that are missing. As I read, it occurs to me that we are assuming that the binder Meadows had is equivalent to the large amount of missing classified material, and attempts to somehow, based on unrelated info about paper and how much it weighs, etc, trying to make that binder into the missing classified information. According to Cassidy, the binder was classified. It might be part of the larger body of missing material that is under discussion. It might not.
I wonder: would anyone have really noticed Mark Meadows (or anyone else) pick up a medium size box somewhere along the line? It would not be a large box. Yes, relatively heavy- but I pick up boxes of discarded documents and such to take to recycling all the time. I am 100# and 81 years old and picking up those boxes is not at all a challenge, and it is not conspicuous.
It does not seem to be known just where this material was when it went missing- perhaps not at Maralago. Yet people are conjecturing all over the place, trying to force fit a few tenuous details into a scenario they have glued themselves to. What we know: Casey saw Mark Meadows carrying a binder she knew to be classified and that Meadows had no right to. And that there is deep concern about a number of missing heavily classified materials with information that could compromise the safety of persons who compiled it.
Looks like a lot of conjectures wandering in the weeds. Yup, got a problem. Nope, don't know what exactly. But not going to keep us from jumping to comclusions.
Good points, Annie. Generally, we all want answers to basic yet frightening questions: how significant is the theft of classified documents, and how has it compromised national security and the people who help protect us?
The criminal charges against Trump and the evidence made public certainly tell us that the theft is widespread and unprecedented. And when the cases come to trial, we will learn much more. But the CNN story adds to a general belief that we are seeing the proverbial tip of the iceberg.
Also, we're wired to automatically tell ourselves stories to understand reality, and that means filling in gaps of information with speculation, even wild guesses. Unfortunately, people increasingly have a low threshold for reaching big conclusions at a time when healthy skepticism is needed.
In the end, we just want answers but need to temper our desire and let the truth emerge as it typically does at an unsatisfying pace. (That's not to say we shouldn't demand it.) And in this particular narrative, Mark Meadows has emerged as critical. Let's call his story "The Keeper of Secrets." Will Jack Davis succeed in making him sing?
Yep, exactly. Yet given the lawyer's language, if technically true in some sense, the most likely scenario is that Meadows handed off the material to someone else on team T. The question is who. Meadows needs to say under oath who he handed off the material to when it was last in his possession and more generally, what he did with the material. And if he handed it off, we need to follow the chain of custody. Otherwise, Meadows knows where the material is and has to tell us, or we need to dig into what his lawyer means by "proper handling of classified material". They could be arguing that anything T told Meadows to do with the material was somehow proper. For all we know, T told Meadows to burn it. In any case, from any angle, there is important info to learn.
Remember that tfg did not give Joe Biden any access to the government as was traditional after an election. That’s because they were busy copying, burning and plotting. Hutchinson’s book is very clear on this. It’s frustrating to me that DOJ seems asleep at the wheel. Cannon and other unqualified officials like the postmaster should have been weeded out right at the beginning. It’s not too late.
After all, Alito and kavenaugh at the very fewest lied re Roe in their confirmation hearings. But they were affirmed by an illegitimate Senate composed of old fat white guys who represent 38% of the people, and were voted in by delusional believers in the magic sky daddy. How can we realistically expect anything enlightened from this lot?
Yes, if she worked for Mark Meadows, she must have known it would not be well received. My guess is that they underestimated her powers of observation and integrity.
George Terwilliger may have been telling the truth when he told the New York Times: “Mark never took any copy of that binder home at any time.” Mark Meadows may not have taken the binder home, but he certainly could have taken it somewhere else, or hidden it somewhere, or given it to someone else to hide. I'm not a lawyer, but Terwilliger's assertion sounds meaningless to me. What a whole bunch of deplorable traitors.
I think the word “copy” here is crucial. He could have easily taken the actual binder.
Annie, Cassidy Hutchinson states in her book that she saw Meadows get into his limo on the 20th of Jan with the Crossfire Hurricane file (which she had kept locked up in an office safe) under his arm. If the file is indeed 10" thick and composed of 2700 pages, it's hard to believe that he "easily" took it. Your point is still excellent, though.
I don't doubt her for a secon. I'm 75 years old and haul 30 kilo bags of feed around all the time. Just because Meadows has a weak personality, doesn't mean he has no muscles, probably has them in compensation, in fact. And he'd do anything to save his ass from djt.
If the pages are mostly printed double sided, 2,700 pages could be as little as 1,350 sheets, and use of 4 mil paper would be 5.4" all double sided. If all single sheets were used it would be about 10.8" single sided on 2,700 sheets, 2.7 reams of 500 sheets, not too hard to carry but I would think rather noticeable even if all double sided.
2,700 sheets would weigh about 22 pounds, 1350 sheets about 11 pounds.
Bingo
And not easily carried “under the arm”. Think of carrying 5 packages of copy paper (500 sheets per pkg.) inside a binder under your arm.
but how does this add up - didn't she say it was only 10" thick
I haven’t read her book, but that is interesting for sure. That binder would be very, very heavy.
Read it; it’s very good.
Cassidy Hutchinson is an American heroine. She makes me think of my childhood mental picture of Betsy Ross. It’s a comic comparison, but Betsy Ross was the first American heroine I remember learning about.
Abigail Adams comes to mind.
I have her book and I am not sure if I should read her book or Chaney's first. I am nearly done with Prequel, hopefully I will finish it today. If our current sitiuation is like where we were with Hitler/Nazi's 80ish years ago ..... all of these indicted creeps will go free. Thankfully, FDR was not involved...but when Truman took office he ....had it swept under the rug. Burton Wheeler happened to be his friend and a one time U.S. Senate colleague. We were lucky back then that we kept our democracy.... and I pray we can do it once again. I know there has to be more of us than there are of them. We have to spread the word when we can. It is not always possible. There was so much information in this book that I was not aware of that happened. None of it was discussed at home with my parents. With many of my friends I have found it best to just not mention anything to do with our country, politics or religion.
Read Cassidy first. It's a play-by-play.
I was shocked at the revelations about Truman. It has certainly changed my opinion of him.
I read the book and watched every second of her testimony. She is very believable.
Approximately 24lbs
At 89 I can lift 20lbs. And Meadows is a big man.
Bless your heart! I'm 66 and just got home from 6 days hospitalization for falling and shattering my left arm. I hope to be 89 someday.
Exactly. Not a problem.
That is the wt of a bag of dog kibble.
Meadows is tall, and scared.
Or, Meadows, or someone else, could have made a copy of the binder's contents, and taken that, while someone else is not returning the original binder. Or the same person copied the binder, passed it on to someone else, and has kept the original binder, but is hiding it, not returning it to the intelligence services. Whatever, the cat is likely out of the bag. Isn't it prosecutable behavior to simply "misplace" valuable information one has been entrusted with? If Trump was responsible for retaining that information, and misplaced and didn't return it, shouldn't he be held responsible, whether or not he himself made off with the binder and its information? If we fail to return a library book, we are fined, regardless of the reason we didn't return the book, be it lost, stolen, damaged, whatever. When materials are classified, and important, none should be handed to anyone without automatically making that person responsible, and subject to unnegotiable consequences if they fail to return it.
Maybe tfg flushed it down the toilet.....
Read "Enough" by Cassidy Hutchinson. Mark Meadows had a fireplace in his office, and it must have been really cold those last few months of the trump administration because he had it burning alot.
LOL yep!
All available information from this should be carefully compiled and compared to the Mueller Report.
Yep! The actual enchilada! No copy!
That is exactly what I noticed in Terwilliger’s statement!
Annie you nailed it. Yes “copy” is the operative word here. The comment by Meadows lawyer implies took the actual binder versus a copy. Annie you nailed it. And like you “copy” jumped out as I read his lawyers’ “carefully” worded statement:
“Terwilliger told the New York Times: “Mark never took any copy of that binder home at any time.”
Exactly! Meadows is dirty, he's a traitor..And what do we do with traitors? I believe it is time we stop allowing ourselves to be pushed around by these Fu%3king people..Cannon is complicit, her behavior is demonstrative of obstruction..She should be removed and charged..
Sam,
Calm down. You guys just have to get used to the way America really is.
Fat, white and Male means NO JAIL.
The reason you guys are so outraged is because you don't realize that white guys break the law every day, all day long and you NEVER see them on the 6:00 o'clock local news between two Sheriff's deputies being hauled into jail.
All you will EVER see on the nightly news is some poor black guy between two big white deputies being hauled into jail for (robbing a 7-11 for a loaf of bread).
That's how it works here in 'Murca. It just seems outrageous to you guys who have never been within a minority community where jail is always one inch away.
So let's go after his wife. She voted illegally in North Carolina too. And Melania, fraudulently becomes a US citizen and then sponsored her communist father and mother. As spouse, Assuming TFFG files married filing jointly she is just as guilty of income tax evasion as TFFG. And why aren't they auditing TFFGJr, Eric, Ivanka, Tiffany and Barron for income tax evasion? Usually when a preparer files a fraudulent return on behalf of a client everyone's return that preparer did is audited for similar tax cheating. No wonder the Republicans want to slash the IRS budget.
Gary Loft - "And Melania, fraudulently becomes a US citizen..."
How so?
“𝑈𝑝𝑜𝑛 𝑚𝑦 𝑎𝑟𝑟𝑖𝑣𝑎𝑙, 𝐼 𝑖𝑚𝑚𝑒𝑑𝑖𝑎𝑡𝑒𝑙𝑦 𝑘𝑛𝑒𝑤 𝑡ℎ𝑎𝑡 𝐼 𝑤𝑎𝑛𝑡𝑒𝑑 𝑡𝑜 𝑚𝑎𝑘𝑒 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑈𝑛𝑖𝑡𝑒𝑑 𝑆𝑡𝑎𝑡𝑒𝑠 𝑚𝑦 𝑝𝑒𝑟𝑚𝑎𝑛𝑒𝑛𝑡 ℎ𝑜𝑚𝑒 𝑤𝑖𝑡ℎ 𝑎 𝑔𝑜𝑎𝑙 𝑜𝑓 𝑠𝑒𝑐𝑢𝑟𝑖𝑛𝑔 𝑎 𝑤𝑜𝑟𝑘𝑒𝑟 𝑣𝑖𝑠𝑎. 𝑀𝑦 𝑑𝑟𝑒𝑎𝑚 𝑜𝑓 𝑏𝑒𝑐𝑜𝑚𝑖𝑛𝑔 𝑎 𝑐𝑖𝑡𝑖𝑧𝑒𝑛 𝑝𝑢𝑠ℎ𝑒𝑑 𝑚𝑒 𝑡𝑜 𝑚𝑒𝑡𝑖𝑐𝑢𝑙𝑜𝑢𝑠𝑙𝑦 𝑔𝑎𝑡ℎ𝑒𝑟 𝑒𝑣𝑒𝑟𝑦 𝑙𝑎𝑠𝑡 𝑝𝑖𝑒𝑐𝑒 𝑜𝑓 𝑖𝑛𝑓𝑜𝑟𝑚𝑎𝑡𝑖𝑜𝑛 𝑟𝑒𝑞𝑢𝑖𝑟𝑒𝑑, 𝑒𝑛𝑠𝑢𝑟𝑖𝑛𝑔 𝑡ℎ𝑎𝑡 𝑛𝑜 𝑑𝑒𝑡𝑎𝑖𝑙 𝑤𝑎𝑠 𝑜𝑣𝑒𝑟𝑙𝑜𝑜𝑘𝑒𝑑. 𝐹𝑜𝑟 𝑚𝑒, 𝑟𝑒𝑎𝑐ℎ𝑖𝑛𝑔 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑚𝑖𝑙𝑒𝑠𝑡𝑜𝑛𝑒 𝑜𝑓 𝐴𝑚𝑒𝑟𝑖𝑐𝑎𝑛 𝑐𝑖𝑡𝑖𝑧𝑒𝑛𝑠ℎ𝑖𝑝 𝑚𝑎𝑟𝑘𝑒𝑑 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑠𝑢𝑛𝑟𝑖𝑠𝑒 𝑜𝑓 𝑐𝑒𝑟𝑡𝑎𝑖𝑛𝑡𝑦. 𝐴𝑡 𝑡ℎ𝑎𝑡 𝑒𝑥𝑎𝑐𝑡 𝑚𝑜𝑚𝑒𝑛𝑡, 𝐼 𝑓𝑜𝑟𝑒𝑣𝑒𝑟 𝑑𝑖𝑠𝑐𝑎𝑟𝑑𝑒𝑑 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑙𝑎𝑦𝑒𝑟 𝑜𝑓 𝑏𝑢𝑟𝑑𝑒𝑛 𝑐𝑜𝑛𝑛𝑒𝑐𝑡𝑒𝑑 𝑤𝑖𝑡ℎ 𝑤ℎ𝑒𝑡ℎ𝑒𝑟 𝐼 𝑤𝑜𝑢𝑙𝑑 𝑏𝑒 𝑎𝑏𝑙𝑒 𝑡𝑜 𝑙𝑖𝑣𝑒 𝑖𝑛 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑈𝑛𝑖𝑡𝑒𝑑 𝑆𝑡𝑎𝑡𝑒𝑠. ... 𝐼 ℎ𝑜𝑝𝑒 𝑦𝑜𝑢’𝑟𝑒 𝑏𝑙𝑎𝑛𝑘𝑒𝑡𝑒𝑑 𝑤𝑖𝑡ℎ 𝑠𝑖𝑚𝑖𝑙𝑎𝑟 𝑓𝑒𝑒𝑙𝑖𝑛𝑔𝑠 𝑜𝑓 𝑐𝑜𝑚𝑓𝑜𝑟𝑡 𝑟𝑖𝑔ℎ𝑡 𝑛𝑜𝑤.” --Melania Trump to 25 individuals poised to become citizens during a naturalization ceremony at the National Archives
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2023/12/15/melania-trump-citizenship-naturalization/71934478007/
FWIW: She was born in Slovenia, where she said her parents taught her the importance of a strong work ethic and pursuing her dreams. She launched her fashion and modeling career at a young age and traveled to cities like Paris and Milan.
She had no college degree, which is required for an Einstein visa, of which approximately 6 are utilized yearly. Is Melania a genius? No sign of that. Her visa process was fraudulent. The irony that this is the immigrant that was chosen to speak to new citizens...her citizenship was purchased for her. My opinion.
Addendum:
In what way did Melania "excel" at her modeling career & what good did her rather short career do for the world besides nothing?
Criteria for Einstein visa:
To qualify for the EB-1A visa, an applicant must be able to demonstrate extraordinary ability in the sciences, arts, education, business, or athletics through sustained national or international acclaim (by way of extensive documentation).Aug 9, 2023
Do you Qualify for the “Einstein Visa”? - Davies & Associates
Nurjamila Wallar - "She had no college degree, which is required for an Einstein visa..."
It is known as the “Einstein visa.” Nuclear scientists, Nobel laureates and doctors get it. But so do acrobats, stunt men, event planners — and plenty of models.
The requirements for the EB-1 immigrant visa leave far more room for interpretation than its nickname and its best-and-brightest reputation suggest.
While the program may be the pinnacle of the merit-based immigration policies supported by critics of the visa lottery and family-based migration the decision of what constitutes merit, while based on established criteria, is ultimately subjective and often surprising.
“𝑅𝑒𝑐𝑖𝑝𝑖𝑒𝑛𝑡𝑠 𝑎𝑟𝑒 𝑠𝑢𝑝𝑝𝑜𝑠𝑒𝑑 𝑡𝑜 𝑏𝑒 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑏𝑒𝑠𝑡 𝑜𝑓 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑏𝑒𝑠𝑡 𝑏𝑢𝑡 𝑚𝑒𝑒𝑡𝑖𝑛𝑔 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑐𝑟𝑖𝑡𝑒𝑟𝑖𝑎 𝑖𝑠 𝑛𝑜 𝑔𝑢𝑎𝑟𝑎𝑛𝑡𝑒𝑒. 𝐴𝑛 𝑎𝑑𝑗𝑢𝑑𝑖𝑐𝑎𝑡𝑖𝑜𝑛 𝑜𝑓𝑓𝑖𝑐𝑒𝑟 𝑚𝑎𝑘𝑒𝑠 𝑎 𝑗𝑢𝑑𝑔𝑚𝑒𝑛𝑡 𝑐𝑎𝑙𝑙.”
“𝐼 𝑎𝑚 𝑎𝑠𝑠𝑢𝑚𝑖𝑛𝑔 𝑠ℎ𝑒 𝑚𝑎𝑑𝑒 𝑎 𝑙𝑜𝑡 𝑜𝑓 𝑚𝑜𝑛𝑒𝑦, 𝑔𝑜𝑡 𝑎 𝑙𝑜𝑡 𝑜𝑓 𝑝𝑟𝑒𝑠𝑠 𝑎𝑛𝑑 𝑤𝑎𝑠 𝑜𝑛 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑐𝑜𝑣𝑒𝑟 𝑜𝑓 𝑚𝑎𝑔𝑎𝑧𝑖𝑛𝑒𝑠. 𝑆ℎ𝑒 𝑤𝑎𝑠 𝑝𝑟𝑜𝑏𝑎𝑏𝑙𝑦 𝑎 𝑝𝑟𝑒𝑡𝑡𝑦 𝑒𝑎𝑠𝑦 𝑐𝑎𝑠𝑒.”
“𝐷𝑜 𝑤𝑒 𝑛𝑒𝑒𝑑 𝑚𝑜𝑟𝑒 𝑓𝑜𝑟𝑒𝑖𝑔𝑛 𝑓𝑎𝑠ℎ𝑖𝑜𝑛 𝑚𝑜𝑑𝑒𝑙𝑠? 𝑆𝑜𝑚𝑒 𝑚𝑖𝑔ℎ𝑡 𝑠𝑎𝑦 𝑛𝑜. 𝑊𝑒 𝑚𝑖𝑔ℎ𝑡 𝑛𝑒𝑒𝑑 𝑚𝑜𝑟𝑒 𝑐ℎ𝑒𝑚𝑖𝑐𝑎𝑙 𝑒𝑛𝑔𝑖𝑛𝑒𝑒𝑟𝑠. 𝐵𝑢𝑡 𝑖𝑓 𝑡ℎ𝑒𝑟𝑒 𝑖𝑠 𝑎 𝑓𝑎𝑠ℎ𝑖𝑜𝑛 𝑚𝑜𝑑𝑒𝑙 𝑎𝑡 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑡𝑜𝑝 𝑜𝑓 ℎ𝑒𝑟 𝑓𝑖𝑒𝑙𝑑, 𝑠ℎ𝑒 𝑐𝑜𝑢𝑙𝑑 𝑞𝑢𝑎𝑙𝑖𝑓𝑦.”
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Nurjamila Wallar - "her citizenship was purchased for her."
Who, in 2001, would have paid this? And who took the bribe? Proof please.
Unfortunately she has poor taste in men. Watch out for the bus.
She was stupid enough to marry him but fought tooth and nail for Barron to have his "rightful place" in the Trump family. I'd bet she gets a Whopper and fries. Her pre-nup might even include a diet coke and a gravesite next to Ivana.
Money talks...
Yes, yes, yes, I am one of those old fat white guys, Mike S, just like Mark Meadows and DJT. I am 70 years old, probate attorney, just retired, who did a minimal amount of criminal law at the beginning of my career. You are 100% correct in every respect. It does make me ill about “Judge” Cannon, just like it does about my own Congressman, “Judge” John Carter, an actual former state district judge in Texas. If you think there is equal justice under the law, you are sorely mistaken. I am still praying for a miracle and that there will be justice for Trump, Meadows, Giuliani and all the rest, but I do not expect to see it. As a Christian, they all make me want to throw up, they really do. The only that has kept me sane for a long time, and ESPECIALLY these last 8 years, is a quote from one of my favorite Christian authors, Oswald Chambers. “ Never look for justice in this world, but never cease to give it.” There will be justice for these cretins, I just pray it is in this world, and I live long enough to see it. Mike S, you nailed our world, and it never ceases to amaze me how otherwise sane and nice and yes, “good Christina people” refuse to see the truth about justice in this country.
Whenever I find myself start with the handwringing, I think of Jack Smith and my girls, Fani Willis and Letitia James. They are fearless in pursuit of justice. And look what happened to Giuliani yesterday--two Black women were awarded $150 mil in order to punish the racist lunatic. Their attorney is launching an investigation to uncover any money Giuliani could have hidden. There is hope....
I'll wait to hear about payment.
BUT the thing is: he walks outside the courtroom & continues to defame these women - so lesson learned here??????
Right. Never.
"Matuszak is one of about 100 prosecutors across Ohio who the courts found had violated standards meant to preserve a defendant's civil rights in criminal trials, an investigation by Columbia Journalism Investigations, NPR and member station WVXU in Cincinnati, and The Ohio Newsroom found. He is one of 13 who did so more than once. Together, these 13 prosecutors accounted for nearly one-third of the 104 cases in the state where courts found that prosecutors acted improperly."
(https://www.npr.org/2023/12/14/1216111092/ohio-court-prosecutor-misconduct-due-process-rights)
It has been difficult. Yes.
We are ugly, but looking only at our ugliness is not to appreciate our aspirations toward which we must always keep our thoughts and our eyes. If you start thinking of how you’re going to work for the Democrats in ‘24, you will feel better. Not all politicians are good as not all Americans are good, but some are and some are better as politicians than they are as mere humans. You can help improve the country by voting for the best candidates you can vote for wherever you are.
Thanks Virginia. Hope and action? Always good.
Interesting point. Just the other day—when Senator Schumer extolled the role played by Jewish people in the civil rights movment—I wondered how many readers of this substack are black or brown. It's a valuable perspective.
Had a hard time hitting the 'like' button on this one, not because it's not true, but because it is.
Really hoping the generations behind us will make inroads balancing this glaring problem.
Sad but true
That doesn't mean we need to accept it.
We have.
Mike, I disagree with you a lot, but not this time.
It also occurred to me that if Trump is given immunity for his crimes by the SC, this would be the court granting presidents unchecked personal power, not only Trump but the office itself.
Mike, my husband can explain most things by saying, "People are stupid". If you see someone looting a business, that's fun to watch. Unless it's venture capital, which is boring paperwork and numbers. Ignore that.
Right!
Mike,
I have no delusions about the double standards in this country, you are right, I will not experience the racism that black, brown, and female Americans experience..However, I am a Jew and that portends a bigotry of its own..
But my skin is white, which means I can hide who I am to those who would do me harm..That is my advantage when facing that to which you speak..
However, it is the acts of traitors willing to destroy the freedoms and our Democracy that we hold so dear as imperfect as you eloquently describe if Meadows et al are not crushed..that is what I am pissed about..
It sure appears to be like that... boy did they ever fool me! I guess I should have been paying attention instead of surviving and attempting to enjoy life.
Mike S, how many times and for how long have you written 'Fat, white and Male...' ?This reply of yours left out 'asses', which have often been part of your visualization white men in words. Do you dream of 'fat, white men's asses'; is this vision of yours an addiction or how you literally and laterally see white men?
Nightmare is more like it Fern. A long, long one.
Mike S, I think a part of me gets the pain you experienced, terrible pain. You also seem to get me, how prejudice, injustice, inequity and cruelty affect my spirit and determination. So, you know why I finally said something.
I have been a fortunate woman as many of us have not been fortunate
to have had a good father; a wonderful grandfather who worked in garment center as a patternmaker. My mother's and father's families escaped as Jews from Hungary and Poland. Men have also supported the growth of my work, and I had a dear husband who died in 2018.
Thank you for providing us with an opportunity for exchange. We had terrific exchanges when you first joined LFAA. I hope we can continue to respect each other's journeys. Salud.
The process grinds forward. The outcome is not uncertain.
Too true. I sob into my soul about America’s real definition!
You are misreading Mike S.'s intent here. He is simply pointing out the fact that there are really two justice systems in the US, one for white folks and one for BIPOC folks. How else to explain that Black people make up less than 14% of the population but 38% of the prison population? Income is a great influencer in the criminal justice system, but cannot explain the difference in ratios.
Thanks Ally. 😊
...and let's not forget the influence of for-profit prisons...
I am almost ashamed to say that, as a card carrying member of the criminal justice system for 35 years, I had never heard of "for profit prisons" until I watched the film "13th". We do not have them in Oregon, and I am horrified they exist at all. I am also horrified by prison conditions in general, but specifically in the south.
Ally - Dawna is also correct, tho - poverty & crime arent only minority issues. Politics and propaganda make it so, it would seem. The difference in prison populations & in our justice system, should be clear to everyone without having to be put up in colored lights! What is it "they" say? Ignorance is bliss???? There sure seems to be an awful lot of that.
Maggie, you are correct: poverty isn't only a minority issue. I've had a front row seat for 37 years to the entry into the criminal justice system, and can confirm that those with money have far better personal outcomes than those with less, or none. The percentages of people in poverty by race are: White 9.5% Black 21.4% Hispanic 16.1% Asian/Native Hawaiian/Pacific Islander 10%, and American Indian/ Alaska Native 24.5. I stand by my statement that not only incarceration rates but poverty are impacted by race, and that there are different standards for white folks than all other races.
Meadows would throw his own mother under a bus to save his own ass. His main interest is himself. He is not shy in showing how far a traitor will go. He will not go to jail for Agent Orange. He is scared of dropping his soap in the showers. Gutless wonder.
Agent Orange uses classified documents as party favors at Margo's. That's when he's not selling them out of the trunk of his car to the highest bidder. Malignant narcissists have entitlement issues. This is not a surprise. They are toddlers screaming, "everything is mine."
Love the "agent orange"
Yes, and in regards to both these traitors, setting aside the legal matters, the inaction by the current DOJ is a disgrace..They should both be in Gitmo..
The theft of the binder has to be the subject of intense, even frantic work by intelligence agencies, domestic and foreign. What CNN reported, to its credit, is akin to the first brief news story that there was a break-in at Democratic headquarters that grew into the Watergate scandal.
While Watergate brought down Nixon, the missing binder likely has much more serious implications, including many that we will likely never know because the government won't reveal them. But let's hope the perpetrators are brought to a swift and harsh judgment.
I thought about this earlier: if the contents of the binder were shared with Russia, then I am sure that any assets (people) our intelligence agencies were working with have been either poisoned, pushed out a window, or whichever way Russia deals with people they don't want around.
I believe a few already have. Perhaps one of the most odious culprits here is Bill Barr for downplaying The Mueller Report which clearly called out Russian interference with the election and pointed to corruption on Trump’s part. How do these smug and over privileged folks live with themselves?
Zero conscience? I read that there has been an uptick in foreign intelligence assents being unmasked. Might be coincidence. Might not.
Happened in first year of trump's presidency...
Barr is a member of Opus Dei.
How did you become aware that he was a member of Opus Dei?
I cut this from the Britannica article on Opus Dei. Nothing to worry about here. Just another misogynistic sado-masochistic cult that's part of the Catholic Church.
https://www.britannica.com/topic/Opus-Dei
Opus Dei originally required new members to take a vow of obedience and chastity. Since the organization became a prelature, however, it has required only a contractual commitment to receive spiritual formation, which includes weekly classes (“circles”) and an annual religious retreat, among other activities. Members commonly practice self-sacrifice, which can include fasting and abstinence from certain pleasures, and self-mortification, such as the wearing of a cilice (which often takes the form of a spiked chain worn around the upper thigh), is not discouraged. New members serve a period of probation, which lasts at least five years, before they are fully admitted. Some members of Opus Dei, called numeraries, devote much of their time to the organization. Like priests, they are required to remain unmarried and celibate, but they live in the world and pursue secular occupations. The majority of members, however, are the supernumeraries, who are free to marry, contribute financially to Opus Dei, and demonstrate Christian virtue in their daily activities. The group is also financially assisted by cooperators, who are not members and, by permission of the Holy See, need not even be Christians. Ordained priests constitute only a tiny percentage of the organization; in 2016 they numbered some 2,100 of the almost 95,000 members worldwide.
A cult of crazy, fits monied repubs to a tee
Jeeze- that’s just creepy. FWIW-I doubt Barr ever fasted a day in his life!
More important than the details is their state of mind. When you are super right with God (kind of like Mike Johnson, whom God directs, according to him), you are gold.
I've been collecting newspaper articles about the Catholic church for years especially re child abuse, and learned about Opus Dei in Portugal from my husband, who told me that a bank employee here was a member. For fun and entertainment I read Dan Brown's books (airplane reads using five adverbs and five adjectives), in spite of the fact they were banned here.
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Susan, how do they live with themselves? Because they have the Great Pretender to validate and encourage their blind beliefs.
Humility and integrity are not foundations of the GQP party. They believe their own shit brains. And they surround themselves with like minded shit brains. They are all heros in their own minds. Agent Orange probably has his own General uniforms already prepared. He moves his fat ass in the mirror when he his modeling them for Bannon and Miller. And they all lube up to kiss his fat white pimpled ass.
Hey Lisa, Have you ever considered doing Sand-up Comedy? Some of our most brilliant minds get the truth out like that. George Carlin comes to mind. I have always missed him until today when I got a load of You! I Love It!
I love your descriptor "odious." Made me think immediately of Henry Kissinger.
These folks seem to ride their smugness and privilege into the sunset raking in millions while sowing death and committing their treasons.
Susan, It is easy. "what is in my own best interests"
Yes, that is probably what happened: Putin learned who those people close to him were who were cooperating with U.S. Intelligence, so Putin "accidented" them, killing them off with staged accidents. Trump is a traitor, as are those who helped him with this. Same issue with the missing contents of the 48 folders at Mar a Lago marked Secret or Top Secret.
Many Russians have disappeared or fallen from windows. FSB tracks them down. Trump is a traitor. Owned by Russian oligarchs and Putin’s pet
I'm circling back to article three of the Fourteenth Amendment--no matter how much voters want you to be president, you are barred from running if you're under the age of 35 or born in another country. The rule for engaging in blatantly treasonous behavior should 100% apply....
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How many smoking guns does it take to bring down a corrupt, traitorous ex-President and his malignant band of co-conspirators?
The exprez’s co-consprators unfortunately include upwards of 74 million voters, most of whom like smoking guns.
Already got an army, should be enough
"But let's hope the perpetrators are brought to a swift and harsh judgment."
Not likely.
Fat, white and male means "NO JAIL" in America.
Meadows is much more likely to become Governor of some state than be arrested.
Mike, just as Donald J Trump is much more likely to become president than be arrested.
He’s already been arrested. Patience. I have great trust in Jack Smith.
Jen, Jack Smith is one strong, decent, and fearless man.and I do trust him to do what is right for the salvation of our democracy.
I've been discouraged many times when I thought "right" would win out.
Seems like there are forces that abound which fight the "right".
True. But on that path lies despair, and I’m not ready for that.
Yes.
Let’s hope not.
But HER emails (insert sarcastic emoji)
let's see all their emails and the Secret Service ones around Jan 6 that were "accidentally" erased during normal housekeeping. Pence was smart enough to not get in the car with SS he didn't know.
Let's put " accidentally" around that word. That would make it clearer. S/
Could that binder be what Jared got $2 billion for, or did Meadows burn pages from that file in his fireplace, like Ms. Hutchinson spoke about?
Good point. Sold!!
Just a thought, isn’t it a bit coincidental that on the day Meadows filed his brief to have his Atlanta case adjudicated in federal court, CNN drops the bomb on him. Strangely, I’d heard it yesterday on Keith Olbermann’s podcast which was filed yesterday morning at 9a PST. I thought it was a spoof, as it seemed, NO ONE had reported it yet! I do believe this is the beginning of the end of Meadows.
This is not a criticism of you, Michael, but an observation about this discussion in general. Why are we persisting in talking about a binder? Cassie said she saw Meadows enter his car with a binder that she recognized and named. There appears to be a great deal of concern about a large # of documents (in terms of pages) that are missing. As I read, it occurs to me that we are assuming that the binder Meadows had is equivalent to the large amount of missing classified material, and attempts to somehow, based on unrelated info about paper and how much it weighs, etc, trying to make that binder into the missing classified information. According to Cassidy, the binder was classified. It might be part of the larger body of missing material that is under discussion. It might not.
I wonder: would anyone have really noticed Mark Meadows (or anyone else) pick up a medium size box somewhere along the line? It would not be a large box. Yes, relatively heavy- but I pick up boxes of discarded documents and such to take to recycling all the time. I am 100# and 81 years old and picking up those boxes is not at all a challenge, and it is not conspicuous.
It does not seem to be known just where this material was when it went missing- perhaps not at Maralago. Yet people are conjecturing all over the place, trying to force fit a few tenuous details into a scenario they have glued themselves to. What we know: Casey saw Mark Meadows carrying a binder she knew to be classified and that Meadows had no right to. And that there is deep concern about a number of missing heavily classified materials with information that could compromise the safety of persons who compiled it.
Looks like a lot of conjectures wandering in the weeds. Yup, got a problem. Nope, don't know what exactly. But not going to keep us from jumping to comclusions.
Good points, Annie. Generally, we all want answers to basic yet frightening questions: how significant is the theft of classified documents, and how has it compromised national security and the people who help protect us?
The criminal charges against Trump and the evidence made public certainly tell us that the theft is widespread and unprecedented. And when the cases come to trial, we will learn much more. But the CNN story adds to a general belief that we are seeing the proverbial tip of the iceberg.
Also, we're wired to automatically tell ourselves stories to understand reality, and that means filling in gaps of information with speculation, even wild guesses. Unfortunately, people increasingly have a low threshold for reaching big conclusions at a time when healthy skepticism is needed.
In the end, we just want answers but need to temper our desire and let the truth emerge as it typically does at an unsatisfying pace. (That's not to say we shouldn't demand it.) And in this particular narrative, Mark Meadows has emerged as critical. Let's call his story "The Keeper of Secrets." Will Jack Davis succeed in making him sing?
The Binder is Russiagate. Big time. Republiputins.
he stated he never took a 'copy' of the binder, so therefore he could have taken the original binder, right? and yes, maybe not home, but elsewhere.
Maybe the MAGA folks will all take Terwilliger at his word uncritically, but he must think that the rest of us are very stupid.
He does
Yep, exactly. Yet given the lawyer's language, if technically true in some sense, the most likely scenario is that Meadows handed off the material to someone else on team T. The question is who. Meadows needs to say under oath who he handed off the material to when it was last in his possession and more generally, what he did with the material. And if he handed it off, we need to follow the chain of custody. Otherwise, Meadows knows where the material is and has to tell us, or we need to dig into what his lawyer means by "proper handling of classified material". They could be arguing that anything T told Meadows to do with the material was somehow proper. For all we know, T told Meadows to burn it. In any case, from any angle, there is important info to learn.
The fireplace in Meadow's office got quite a workout...
You do not have to be a Lawyer to understand a "non-denial denial". That's one of the basic rules of Meadows' West Wing Syntax.
Gobbledygook.
That's a "technical term" as I like to say sometimes.
... that too.
Remember that tfg did not give Joe Biden any access to the government as was traditional after an election. That’s because they were busy copying, burning and plotting. Hutchinson’s book is very clear on this. It’s frustrating to me that DOJ seems asleep at the wheel. Cannon and other unqualified officials like the postmaster should have been weeded out right at the beginning. It’s not too late.
It’s tough to get rid of them.
After all, Alito and kavenaugh at the very fewest lied re Roe in their confirmation hearings. But they were affirmed by an illegitimate Senate composed of old fat white guys who represent 38% of the people, and were voted in by delusional believers in the magic sky daddy. How can we realistically expect anything enlightened from this lot?
I'm Number 199 on the list for her book at my public library. Discouraging for me, but I'm glad I'm not the only one reading it.
It reads pretty quickly. The early part is about her family and her father is a raging trmpy. So she was especially brave to come forward.
Yes, if she worked for Mark Meadows, she must have known it would not be well received. My guess is that they underestimated her powers of observation and integrity.
I’m 180!.
"that binder" (copy machine duplicates ?) An immediate surprise search warrant of select "freedom caucus" members might turn up a few copies.
Excellent suggestion! I'm guessing that Jack Smith is on the case...
Might check a few cell phones.
Or, someone else could have taken it to Mark Meadows’ home. The wording is so specific. It’s basically an admission of guilt.
I caught that too. Lawyers lie exactly like this.
I agree that the answer "taking it home" are the pivotal words. No, he didn't take it home. Apparently, he made sure that Trump had it.
CYA Terwilliger, no surprise.
And that he was "not responsible" for taking it could mean he did it at djt's order.
Note, he said never took "any copy" of the binder... he probably took the original.
That was my very first thought as well.
Brava, Betsy!
just simple legalese