Strange. It seems that cutting funding for the IRS is a recurring theme with repubs. They're really scared of an effective IRS that could afford to go after rich tax cheats. I'm really glad that Biden is out there drawing the contrast between his policies and chaos of the House repubs.
I'm hoping that this Dominion suit is just the beginn…
Strange. It seems that cutting funding for the IRS is a recurring theme with repubs. They're really scared of an effective IRS that could afford to go after rich tax cheats. I'm really glad that Biden is out there drawing the contrast between his policies and chaos of the House repubs.
I'm hoping that this Dominion suit is just the beginning pull of a thread that unravels all this maga BS. Thank you for the history lesson Dr. Richardson.
Dominion won. The settlement appears to have cost Fox an immediate payment of the damages: no messing about with delays. Fox was facing more damaging exposure of its employees testimony: Rupert finally decided to cut his losses before he had to testify in person. It's a major win, as suits of this type go. And there's more to come: this is just the first of many lawsuits Fox is facing. Smartmatic is in line with a defamation suit. Part of me hopes they win; another part of me is scared s***less because their method uses the internet for on-line voting: something I will never accept, as it cannot (and I mean CANNOT) be made secure. Scott Mc Nealy, the president of Sun Microsystems, said, "There is no privacy on the internet. Get over it." The Vander Poel corollary is "if there is no privacy, there is no security." I challenge anyone to refute McNealy's assertion. Or mine.
Weakness, Annis? They.."they" are still bullies on the playground, errr 'air-waves' and 'screaming' videos. No silence there. No shortage of material for distortion. And just watch how they keep that FOX Lo-Go bright and shiney and geared to their listeners ears. Remember, they still have advertisers to satisfy with viewer/listerner counts... to keep that $$$$ tumbling in. Stay tuned //s//
Instead of railing against FNC, folks should boycott its advertisers across all its platforms: Fox sports, Fox cable, the WSJ, etc. The revenue from all sources fuels Fox's machine.
I read they don't need advertising money to make a profit. Their cable subscription fees take care of that. And those fees are currently up for contract renewal. So we need to tell our cable providers that we won't pay for Fox, so they need to renegotiate the fees downward.
I felt that way at first J.C. But Dominion is a relatively small company ? I understand that the payout is way above the company value. Also , it would not have been an auto slam to go to trial. I understand that even if Dominion prevailed, FNC, with all their money, could have broke Dominion with years of appeals. But this way, with more suits to come , Fox has got to change their tone?
MSNBC reported last night that Fox shareholders are now really up in arms about their stock value plunging. Could be a new, more, hmm, honest "news" company in the future?.
Not sure about that. Paying $787 million is admitting guilt. For the world to see. It is not required that settlement specifics be made public. Dominion demanded it.
I prefer to think of the Dominion "settlement" as the first in a series of dominoes falling over. Next, Smartmatic. Then the Grossberg suit. And then, the first of what could be many shareholder suits. Fox Follies will be in the news from now through the next election as more sharks smell the blood in the water. Let's be optimistic and visualize Murdoch being sued and sued and sued for the rest of his miserable pathetic existence.
Keep in mind that if Dominion had refused to settle, a jury might have handed them a loss. Which would have been devastating.
Even if Dominion had won a lawsuit, it is unlikely that appeals courts would have allowed a settlement figure anywhere near $787million. More likely at least ten times less, which is the appropriate value of Dominion. Plus, a trial victory could not have included any sort of FNC apology, not even the lackluster acknowledgement of the judge’s rulings on FNC lies the came from fhe settlement.
They didn’t completely lose. They delayed settling so that the emails from the discovery process could be released. We just didn’t get the hosts swearing to the content of those emails under oath.
They kind of got the worst of both. After discovery gave us every kind of information about their duplicity, Rupert paid the bill. If he had settled at the beginning, he might have gotten something for his 3/4 billion.
Jeri, I was pretty pissed off at no trial. Beau posted this and it did make me feel a tad bit better. I hope it will for you as well. BTW, I enjoy and seek out your comments daily!
The decision wasn't on my radar until I asked my wife ( a MAGE-hating Republican) why we lost. She is disgusted he isn't in cuffs at a federal institution. I still have faith. I remind her that Murdock is largely, responsible for dRump and his reign of insanity. She doesn't see Rupert as a political force ... yet.
Because they could not gotten anywhere near the settlement figure after winning the lawsuit at trial (after appeals), nor could they have gotten any sort of apology. Dominion did great! This is what winning looks like.
It is better for us than winning the lawsuit would have been. Dominion negotiated the best possible outcome, both for themselves and for us. It’s up to us to save democracy. It will require monumental effort on our part and even then may well fail, but we, ourselves, are the only hope.
I disagree. The testimony by Fox liars would have been very valuable and there's no reason Dominion couldn't request that Fox tell its viewers they were lying about their voting machines. Apparently the judge pressed for a settlement, which seems odd to me. I guess Dominion feared losing. Juries are a crapshoot.
There must be many many many tax cheats who are terrified of audits. Lord! We could collect so much money if the IRS had the resources to go after them that we might not even need to raise taxes on the rich! IF they actually paid what they owe!
Yup, I realize that it might be “controversial” to say “Dominion Won!” Yup, it would have been fun to see Tucker and Sean and Rupert (etc.) testify. BUT, FOX had a choice: Fight or Fold. They FOLDED. They chose not to FIGHT. And FOX knows that there is more FOLDING on the horizon: Not only is Smartmatic coming up, but Dominion and Smartmatic have lawsuits pending against Newsmax, OANN, and individuals like Rudy Guiliani and Sydney Powell and Mike Lindell. Forbes just published a piece on the status of these lawsuits: https://www.forbes.com/sites/alisondurkee/2023/04/19/fox-news-defamation-settlement-here-are-where-dominion-and-smartmatics-other-lawsuits-stand-now/?sh=206511334a24
I can also add that I frequently comment on various Newsmax articles and very much wanted to see what those folks were saying about the FOX FOLD. Newsmax ran an article originally published by Reuters - WITH NO LINKS TO EVEN POSSIBLY COMMENT.
I really believe this is just the beginning of tearing down the “Election Fraud” meme. Cheer on Dominion and Smartmatic and continue to strengthen our position on Fair Elections.
Cheer on the suits and cheer on Biden as he inspires building from the bottom up and middle out--our only hope.
Also support Jon Tester, the only real farmer in Congress, who happens to be a Democrat in a very Republican state. We need his presence in Congress because Republicans still do not “accept” climate change, our existential enemy.
I hope this happens. I wish Dominion went to court and perhaps Smartmatic will go the distance.
I feel like Fox folding has always them to control the narrative too much. But losing a lawsuit and having their anchors testify, to me, would expedite the process of riding us of lying performative politics.
You are correct, Christopher, about “controlling the narrative.” FOX loves to do that. AND (too often) the Left allows them to control the narrative. This lawsuit is a Prime Example of that mistake. Think about it: What narrative does FOX want out there? OF COURSE they want folks to be saying FOX WON and Dominion LOST. I see people in this very Comment Thread doing FOX’s bidding. Folks, FOX didn’t win. FOX FOLDED. They gave up. They turned over 3/4 of a BILLION DOLLARS to a voting machine company. AND, to Rupert, it’s all about DOLLARS. It’s C.R.E.A.M. = Cash Rules Everything About Murdoch!!!
Christopher, I don’t know if you have ever played Poker, but FOLDING isn’t WINNING. You fold when you don’t have enough aces. “You gotta know when you hold ‘em; know when to fold ‘em. Know when to walk away. Know when to run.” FOX is running.
Obviously, Rupert is not about The Truth. Let’s not support his Untruths. Here’s another meme that Rupert and the MAGA Folks want to have out there: Biden is TOO OLD to be President. Why do sensible Liberals (yes, unknowingly) support the Rupert CREAM? The proper response to the Biden age issue should be —> “Yeah, look all that he has accomplished in a little over TWO YEARS!!! It is wonderful that we have a President who has EXPERIENCE in governance. C’mon, Jack!”
Paul, I am, without question a terrible poker player. In fact, in the small colleges throughout the Midwest, college kids play a poker game (not hold ''em) named after me, which includes flipping over the final card to signify what the "wild" suit is because I never knew what the wild suit was.
I agree with everything you said. Now I'm remembering all the great Kenny Rogers concerts I used to attend!
The left does not allow FNC or the GOP to control the narrative. The white working class does that all by itself. They are the problem. Not FNC. Not Trump. Not any propagandist. Just the people who insist on believing the propaganda and go to any lengths to find it. On FNC or elsewhere if they don’t find what the want on FNC.
To a certain extent, I agree with you Rex. Even on THIS site, however, I see “left-leaning” folks, perhaps unknowingly, allowing FOX’s narrative to shine through. In the Dominion issue, FOX folded in their STOLEN ELECTION POKER GAME. That is losing.
It isn’t by chance or by oversight that FOX is downplaying this issue. Tucker and Sean KNOW they lost. If they had won, they would be e crowing. Does anyone now believe we are going to hear FOX anchors discussing the “stolen 2020 election” ever again? No, they haven’t apologized, but their mouths are muzzled.
It is not by chance that Newsmax is now running stories about how differently their coverage of the 2020 election was VERY different from the way FOX covered it.
The TRUTH is out of the coop and there ain’t no FOXES out to destroy that TRUTH.
Here’s a reply to myself that I hope others see: The latest article on (and this time BY) Newsmax is “Newsmax did it differently than FOX in Dominion case.” An obvious attempt to save themselves MILLIONS that they don’t have.
Bill I recall the saying “if fit for the goose it’s fit for the gander.” Many corporate and bank executives favor a weak IRS that is unable to analysis and then pursue ‘deadbeats’ who are denying the United States much needed revenue. Indeed, while the number of American millionaires has increased exponentially since 1953, the number of tax auditors has decreased.
If this is such a great idea, let’s apply the same principle to their businesses. When customers are unable to pay they bills, car owners are unable to keep up with their car payments, or credit card holders accumulate a massive unpaid debt, why shouldn’t banks and companies simply ignore this situation?
Currently they do such nasty things as garnish salaries, seize assets, and force companies and individuals into bankruptcy.
Shame! If a crippled IRS is good for our country, shouldn’t banks and corporations pursue a similar policy with their ‘deadbeats?’ Shouldn’t laws intended to enable companies to recoup their losses be weakened in favor of the ‘deadbeats?’
So let’s goose the corporations (and their fat-cat executives’) with a gander similar to an emasculated IRS collection agency.
Strange. It seems that cutting funding for the IRS is a recurring theme with repubs. They're really scared of an effective IRS that could afford to go after rich tax cheats. I'm really glad that Biden is out there drawing the contrast between his policies and chaos of the House repubs.
I'm hoping that this Dominion suit is just the beginning pull of a thread that unravels all this maga BS. Thank you for the history lesson Dr. Richardson.
Dominion won for the company and lost for the rest of us.
Dominion won. The settlement appears to have cost Fox an immediate payment of the damages: no messing about with delays. Fox was facing more damaging exposure of its employees testimony: Rupert finally decided to cut his losses before he had to testify in person. It's a major win, as suits of this type go. And there's more to come: this is just the first of many lawsuits Fox is facing. Smartmatic is in line with a defamation suit. Part of me hopes they win; another part of me is scared s***less because their method uses the internet for on-line voting: something I will never accept, as it cannot (and I mean CANNOT) be made secure. Scott Mc Nealy, the president of Sun Microsystems, said, "There is no privacy on the internet. Get over it." The Vander Poel corollary is "if there is no privacy, there is no security." I challenge anyone to refute McNealy's assertion. Or mine.
Agreed - this exposed a weakness in Fox, which others will be prompt to exploit.
Weakness, Annis? They.."they" are still bullies on the playground, errr 'air-waves' and 'screaming' videos. No silence there. No shortage of material for distortion. And just watch how they keep that FOX Lo-Go bright and shiney and geared to their listeners ears. Remember, they still have advertisers to satisfy with viewer/listerner counts... to keep that $$$$ tumbling in. Stay tuned //s//
Instead of railing against FNC, folks should boycott its advertisers across all its platforms: Fox sports, Fox cable, the WSJ, etc. The revenue from all sources fuels Fox's machine.
Don’t forget the major cash cow, subscription cable.
I read they don't need advertising money to make a profit. Their cable subscription fees take care of that. And those fees are currently up for contract renewal. So we need to tell our cable providers that we won't pay for Fox, so they need to renegotiate the fees downward.
I am in!
I felt that way at first J.C. But Dominion is a relatively small company ? I understand that the payout is way above the company value. Also , it would not have been an auto slam to go to trial. I understand that even if Dominion prevailed, FNC, with all their money, could have broke Dominion with years of appeals. But this way, with more suits to come , Fox has got to change their tone?
As I just posted above to Jeri:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SPfjcCdhMFA
Beau always explains well, like HCR.
Yeah. I checked him out.
MSNBC reported last night that Fox shareholders are now really up in arms about their stock value plunging. Could be a new, more, hmm, honest "news" company in the future?.
I have 10 shares that I keep just so I can vote against Rupert, his spawn and Paul effing Ryan as board members. Makes my day every time.
Not sure about that. Paying $787 million is admitting guilt. For the world to see. It is not required that settlement specifics be made public. Dominion demanded it.
I prefer to think of the Dominion "settlement" as the first in a series of dominoes falling over. Next, Smartmatic. Then the Grossberg suit. And then, the first of what could be many shareholder suits. Fox Follies will be in the news from now through the next election as more sharks smell the blood in the water. Let's be optimistic and visualize Murdoch being sued and sued and sued for the rest of his miserable pathetic existence.
Keep in mind that if Dominion had refused to settle, a jury might have handed them a loss. Which would have been devastating.
Even if Dominion had won a lawsuit, it is unlikely that appeals courts would have allowed a settlement figure anywhere near $787million. More likely at least ten times less, which is the appropriate value of Dominion. Plus, a trial victory could not have included any sort of FNC apology, not even the lackluster acknowledgement of the judge’s rulings on FNC lies the came from fhe settlement.
They didn’t completely lose. They delayed settling so that the emails from the discovery process could be released. We just didn’t get the hosts swearing to the content of those emails under oath.
They kind of got the worst of both. After discovery gave us every kind of information about their duplicity, Rupert paid the bill. If he had settled at the beginning, he might have gotten something for his 3/4 billion.
Jeri, I was pretty pissed off at no trial. Beau posted this and it did make me feel a tad bit better. I hope it will for you as well. BTW, I enjoy and seek out your comments daily!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SPfjcCdhMFA
The decision wasn't on my radar until I asked my wife ( a MAGE-hating Republican) why we lost. She is disgusted he isn't in cuffs at a federal institution. I still have faith. I remind her that Murdock is largely, responsible for dRump and his reign of insanity. She doesn't see Rupert as a political force ... yet.
Jeri that is so true. Dominion sold out democracy for the almighty dollar.
Susan, do watch Beau. He explains it well.
Why Is their law suit a loss for all of us,, you have fantastic perspectives on the issues, THANKS Ms, Chilcutt , Linda
Why didn't Dominion go for the original amount if Faux was anxious to settle?
Because they could not gotten anywhere near the settlement figure after winning the lawsuit at trial (after appeals), nor could they have gotten any sort of apology. Dominion did great! This is what winning looks like.
Good for them, but not us.
It is better for us than winning the lawsuit would have been. Dominion negotiated the best possible outcome, both for themselves and for us. It’s up to us to save democracy. It will require monumental effort on our part and even then may well fail, but we, ourselves, are the only hope.
I disagree. The testimony by Fox liars would have been very valuable and there's no reason Dominion couldn't request that Fox tell its viewers they were lying about their voting machines. Apparently the judge pressed for a settlement, which seems odd to me. I guess Dominion feared losing. Juries are a crapshoot.
There must be many many many tax cheats who are terrified of audits. Lord! We could collect so much money if the IRS had the resources to go after them that we might not even need to raise taxes on the rich! IF they actually paid what they owe!
Yup, I realize that it might be “controversial” to say “Dominion Won!” Yup, it would have been fun to see Tucker and Sean and Rupert (etc.) testify. BUT, FOX had a choice: Fight or Fold. They FOLDED. They chose not to FIGHT. And FOX knows that there is more FOLDING on the horizon: Not only is Smartmatic coming up, but Dominion and Smartmatic have lawsuits pending against Newsmax, OANN, and individuals like Rudy Guiliani and Sydney Powell and Mike Lindell. Forbes just published a piece on the status of these lawsuits: https://www.forbes.com/sites/alisondurkee/2023/04/19/fox-news-defamation-settlement-here-are-where-dominion-and-smartmatics-other-lawsuits-stand-now/?sh=206511334a24
I can also add that I frequently comment on various Newsmax articles and very much wanted to see what those folks were saying about the FOX FOLD. Newsmax ran an article originally published by Reuters - WITH NO LINKS TO EVEN POSSIBLY COMMENT.
I really believe this is just the beginning of tearing down the “Election Fraud” meme. Cheer on Dominion and Smartmatic and continue to strengthen our position on Fair Elections.
Cheer on the suits and cheer on Biden as he inspires building from the bottom up and middle out--our only hope.
Also support Jon Tester, the only real farmer in Congress, who happens to be a Democrat in a very Republican state. We need his presence in Congress because Republicans still do not “accept” climate change, our existential enemy.
I hope this happens. I wish Dominion went to court and perhaps Smartmatic will go the distance.
I feel like Fox folding has always them to control the narrative too much. But losing a lawsuit and having their anchors testify, to me, would expedite the process of riding us of lying performative politics.
You are correct, Christopher, about “controlling the narrative.” FOX loves to do that. AND (too often) the Left allows them to control the narrative. This lawsuit is a Prime Example of that mistake. Think about it: What narrative does FOX want out there? OF COURSE they want folks to be saying FOX WON and Dominion LOST. I see people in this very Comment Thread doing FOX’s bidding. Folks, FOX didn’t win. FOX FOLDED. They gave up. They turned over 3/4 of a BILLION DOLLARS to a voting machine company. AND, to Rupert, it’s all about DOLLARS. It’s C.R.E.A.M. = Cash Rules Everything About Murdoch!!!
Christopher, I don’t know if you have ever played Poker, but FOLDING isn’t WINNING. You fold when you don’t have enough aces. “You gotta know when you hold ‘em; know when to fold ‘em. Know when to walk away. Know when to run.” FOX is running.
Obviously, Rupert is not about The Truth. Let’s not support his Untruths. Here’s another meme that Rupert and the MAGA Folks want to have out there: Biden is TOO OLD to be President. Why do sensible Liberals (yes, unknowingly) support the Rupert CREAM? The proper response to the Biden age issue should be —> “Yeah, look all that he has accomplished in a little over TWO YEARS!!! It is wonderful that we have a President who has EXPERIENCE in governance. C’mon, Jack!”
Paul, I am, without question a terrible poker player. In fact, in the small colleges throughout the Midwest, college kids play a poker game (not hold ''em) named after me, which includes flipping over the final card to signify what the "wild" suit is because I never knew what the wild suit was.
I agree with everything you said. Now I'm remembering all the great Kenny Rogers concerts I used to attend!
The left does not allow FNC or the GOP to control the narrative. The white working class does that all by itself. They are the problem. Not FNC. Not Trump. Not any propagandist. Just the people who insist on believing the propaganda and go to any lengths to find it. On FNC or elsewhere if they don’t find what the want on FNC.
To a certain extent, I agree with you Rex. Even on THIS site, however, I see “left-leaning” folks, perhaps unknowingly, allowing FOX’s narrative to shine through. In the Dominion issue, FOX folded in their STOLEN ELECTION POKER GAME. That is losing.
It isn’t by chance or by oversight that FOX is downplaying this issue. Tucker and Sean KNOW they lost. If they had won, they would be e crowing. Does anyone now believe we are going to hear FOX anchors discussing the “stolen 2020 election” ever again? No, they haven’t apologized, but their mouths are muzzled.
It is not by chance that Newsmax is now running stories about how differently their coverage of the 2020 election was VERY different from the way FOX covered it.
The TRUTH is out of the coop and there ain’t no FOXES out to destroy that TRUTH.
Here’s a reply to myself that I hope others see: The latest article on (and this time BY) Newsmax is “Newsmax did it differently than FOX in Dominion case.” An obvious attempt to save themselves MILLIONS that they don’t have.
Trying to take down the IRS is a pillar of the Libertarian mindset of the GOP.
Bill I recall the saying “if fit for the goose it’s fit for the gander.” Many corporate and bank executives favor a weak IRS that is unable to analysis and then pursue ‘deadbeats’ who are denying the United States much needed revenue. Indeed, while the number of American millionaires has increased exponentially since 1953, the number of tax auditors has decreased.
If this is such a great idea, let’s apply the same principle to their businesses. When customers are unable to pay they bills, car owners are unable to keep up with their car payments, or credit card holders accumulate a massive unpaid debt, why shouldn’t banks and companies simply ignore this situation?
Currently they do such nasty things as garnish salaries, seize assets, and force companies and individuals into bankruptcy.
Shame! If a crippled IRS is good for our country, shouldn’t banks and corporations pursue a similar policy with their ‘deadbeats?’ Shouldn’t laws intended to enable companies to recoup their losses be weakened in favor of the ‘deadbeats?’
So let’s goose the corporations (and their fat-cat executives’) with a gander similar to an emasculated IRS collection agency.